Minutes of the April 1, 2007 College of Heralds Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Aug 07 LoAR]

Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.

In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Hrorek Chevron, Catherine de Winter, Cassandre Nicole Loustaunau, Thomas Quatrefoil, Cei Myghchaell Wellington, Marion Coral, Eowyn Hringbogan and Eridana Ambra Dragotta.

Upcoming meetings are: May 6, 2007 and June 24, 2007. Old forms will not be accepted by the Caid College of Heralds at the May 6 meeting.

The December LoAR was discussed. The College of Arms commentary process is going paperless in May. April is also the last month that Laurel will accept old forms, so we have to get cracking to get the LoI in by the end of the month. There was also an advertisement for Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, which we regard as very helpful, indeed.

KWHSS is coming up in June. Several of the people at the meeting signed up today (the last day for the lowest membership price).

Crown Tournament is coming up, to be held in Starkhafn. Heralds are requested to volunteer to help out.

Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the April 25, 2007 Letter of Intent.

RfS is the standard abbreviation for Rules for Submission, and AH for Administrative Handbook, both have links found here: http://www.sca.org/heraldry/. CD is the abbreviation for Clear Difference.

Altavia, Barony of

Aubray Brangwyne de Vitré. New device. Per chevron vert and purpure, on a pile Or a feather vert, overall a chevron rompu counterchanged purpure and Or.

[Name] This name appears on the March 21, 2007 Letter of Intent from Caid.

[Armory] While this device does not have the appearance of period armory to our eyes, we know of no specific rule that would require return. Finding a blazon for it took a good deal of discussion, which is often indicative of non-period style.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Calafia, Barony of

Alexander Brimm. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified sound.

Alexander is found in Withycombe (p.13, s.n. Alexander). This spelling is dated to 1189, 1273, 1284 & 1316.

Brimm is found in R&W (p.62, s.n. Bream). Brimm is one of the alternate header spellings. The closest dated spelling is Simon Brim, 1279.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Catherine Hunter. New device. Argent, in bend sinister three roundels vert between two pairs of scarps sable.

[Name] Registered 06/06.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Estrill Gildenher. New name and device. Per pale sable and Or, three bees counterchanged.

[Name] Submitter desires a feminine name authentic for Anglo-Norman 12-14 century. She will accept all changes and if changes must be made, she cares most about the unspecified sound.

Estrill is a feminine given name in R&W, found in Talan Gwynek's article "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames". That article dates this spelling to 1199, 1332. Unfortunately, the article does not give page numbers to help us find the entry in the original source. We found Estrill as a second header after Estrild in R&W (p.157), but that entry has no dates or proof of its use as a given name.

Gildenher is found in R&W (p.190, s.n. Gildeney) meaning "golden hair", with John Gildenher dated to 1263.

[Armory] This is a very nice design. No conflicts found.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Estrill Gildenher. New badge. (Fieldless) A bee per pale Or and sable.

[Name] Appears above.

[Armory] No conflicts found.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Lasairíona inghean Ghéibheannaigh. New device. Per pale sable and Or, three goblets counterchanged issuing flames gules.

[Name] Registered 06/00.

[Armory] The flames on this submission lack heraldic stylization, though we believe them to be identifiable.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Einarr Tryggvason. New device. Gules, a pale argent overall three double-headed axes counterchanged.

[Name] Registered 02/04.

[Armory] As submitted, the outer two axes overlie the sides of the pale such that each one is half argent and half gules. Unfortunately, there is no sure-fire way to describe such a careful arrangement so that this emblazon could be reproduced from the blazon alone, as is required by Rules for Submission VII.7.b. Based upon our best attempt (above), an artist is more likely to draw the design with the outer axes lying fully on the field and the center axe lying fully on the pile.

Device returned for non-reproducibility.

Marcus Artorius Manennia. New name and device. Gules, on a pale between two lions combatant argent, a dagger and a dagger inverted sable.

[Name] Submitter will accept no changes and has marked no other boxes.

His documentation for this name comes form http://www.novaroma.org/wiki/Choosing_a_Roman_name. He documents a different cognomen (Matelli), and gives no documentation for Manennia. We are returning this to give the submitter time to solidly document and clarify their submission.

[Armory] No conflicts found, but this must be returned for lack of a name. We also discussed the identifiablity of the daggers, and would suggest that the submitter make the quillions more pronounced.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of name.

Matheus le Vaus. New device. Quarterly argent and azure, a serpent glissant palewise counterchanged.

[Name] Registered 02/04.

[Armory] This is clear of SCA armory Quarterly argent and azure, a wingless dragon sejant queue-fourchee forming a Luckenbooth heart chased counterchanged. (Anne Saorise 08/79) There is at least a CD for change in type of primary charge, and the other CD we count is for change in posture.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Nona Reardon. New name and device. Per pale argent and vert, in saltire a viol and its bow counterchanged.

[Name] No boxes were marked on her form.

Nona is found in de Felice, Nomi (pg. 280, s.n. Nono) Nona is the female version of Nono, meaning the ninth child. De Felice indicates that the name is of medieval origin. ("Nono (20) M. – F Nona (25). Rarissimo e disperso, è un nome già medievale dato al 'nono' figlio.")

Reardon is found undated in R&W (pg. 347, header). It is an Anglicized Irish patronymic Ó Rioghbhardáin "descendant of Rioghbhardán (royal-bard)".

The combination of Italian and Anglicized Irish is not registerable in the same name (Adriana Kavanaugh, 04/00). This must be returned for this reason.

[Armory] Clear of conflict; unfortunately, this must be returned for lack of a name.

Name returned for unregisterable lingual mix. Device returned for lack of a name.

Sarpedon Aeginata. New name and device. Argent chaussee, on a roundel gules a serpent involved Or.

[Name] Submitted as Sarphdwn of Aeginata. The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for 7th Century Imperium Graecorum. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, is most interested in the meaning "Sarphdwn of Aegina".

Sarphdwn is found on page 36 of the "Lexicon of Personal Greek Names, Volume (http://www.lgpn.ox.ac.uk/publications/vol1/) as the 'Beta code' transcription for Σαρπηδών with the Perseus transcription being 'Sarpêdôn'. The beta code transcription appears to be generated by typing the word in a Greek font then converting it to a Latin font. This is not a valid method of transcribing from Greek.

We have changed to the more correct Perseus transcription, which is also found in Lempriere's Classical Dictionary, third edition, pg. 560. "Sarpedon, a son of Jupiter by Europa the daughter of Agenor." Also lists Sarpedon Herodot, dated to 173, Sarpedon Strab from Homer. And Sarpedan, a Syrian general who flourished 143 B.C.

Aegineta is a locative name for 'of Aegina'. Most noteworthy of this name is Paul of Aegina (Paulus Aegineta), a 4th century surgeon known for his 'Synopsis of Medicine in Seven Books'. Information about Paulus including this spelling of his last name can be found several places such as the "Encyclopaedia Britannica Article" (http://www.britannica.com/eb/print?articleId=58770&fullArticle=true&tocId=9058770 -- requires log-in), biographybase (http://biographybase.com/biography/Aegineta_Paulus.html), "Medieval Sourcebook: Paul of Aegina" (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/paul-aigina1.html), and "A Case of Lycanthropy" (http://www.primitivism.com/lycanthropy.htm [where he is credited with the first medical description of lycanthropy]). This is also found in Lampriere's Classical Dictionary p. 12. Aegineta, Paulus, a physician born in Aegina, He flourished in the 3rd, or according to others the 7th century.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Þorfinnr brimill. New name and device. Quarterly argent and sable, a cross azure between in bend two Latin crosses Maltese sable and in bend sinister a dog segreant and a dog segreant contorny argent.

[Name] Submitted as Þorfinnr voouslur. Submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes. Submitter will allow the surname to be changed to "Brimill" if necessary to register the name.

The submitter provided no documentation for the byname "voouslur", which he believes to be a variety of Norse seal. We have changed the byname to the alternate suggested by the submitter, with a lowercase "b" to match current College of Arms practice for Old Norse descriptive bynames.

Þorfinnr is found in Geirr Bassi (p.16).

brimill is found in Gierr Bassi (p.20) meaning "large nosed seal."

Name approved as changed to and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Dun Or, Barony of

Edric Aaron Hartwood. New household name Kabila al-Raqs B'Saif and household badge. (Fieldless) A lotus blossom affronty within and conjoined to three scimitars in annulo argent.

[Name] The submitter's primary name was registered 04/93. The submitter doesn't care about the gender of the household name. He will allow no changes, but if changes must be made, he cares most about the meaning, "Tribe of the Dancing Sword."

Unfortunately, no documentation was provided, nor any found, to show the elements of this name were used in period or that "Tribe of the Dancing Sword" is a reasonable name for a group of people in period. This name must be returned for this reason.

[Badge] This was not submitted on a standard badge form and the emblazon space is significantly smaller than the minimum. We are returning this submission for this reason. The submitter should be warned to use a new form with square emblazon space upon resubmission.

In addition, we recommend the submitter draw more than two tiers of petals on the blossom. As drawn, this looks like a sexfoil, though we do not believe this to be reason for return.

Household name returned for lack of documentation. Badge returned for administrative reasons.

Pari al-Aflah. New name and device. Per bend azure and vert, a bearded merman in an "L-shaped posture" vested of a domed headdress Or.

[Name] The submitter will allow no changes. No other boxes are selected.

Pari is documented from "Original Persian Names" (http://www.anvari.org/cols/orginal_persian_names.html). Photocopies not provided. Site does not apparently have a bibliography. The college was not able to document the exact, submitted name, though we did find "Parikhan", "Parizad", "Parijan", and "Parisima" in Annemarie Schimmel's Islamic Names.

al-Aflah. In Da'ud ibn Auda's "Arabic naming practices" 1st Edition (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/daud/arabic-naming/) is a quote from the Hadith, "You must not name your slaves Yasar [Abundance], Rabah [Gain], Najih [Prosperity], Aflah [Felicitous], because if you ask after one of these your domestic servants, and he be not present, the negative reply will express that abundance, or gain, or prosperity, or felicity, are not in your dwelling." This statement has been removed from the second edition, available at http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm.

We are returning this submission for lack of documentation of the given name.

[Armory] The submitter blazons this charge as an "Oannes", a Babylonian merman (see http://www.geocities.com/dominorus/oannes2c.gif for a similar image). No documentation was provided for this charge's use in heraldry. It is clearly identifiable as a merman, a registerable charge in SCA heraldry, but the posture is non-heraldic. We recommend the submitter redraw their Oannes in a heraldic posture (for example, as in this illustration: http://altreligion.about.com/library/graphics/dagon.jpg). We decline to use the non-standard term for the charge.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for redraw and lack of a name.

Galavalley, Canton of

Beorn of the Northern Sea. New Badge. (Fieldless) A harp argent within two dolphins in annulo gules.

[Name] Registered 02/95 (via Meridies).

[Armory] Rules for Submission VIII.5 states, "A fieldless design must have all its elements conjoined, like the three feathers issuing from a crown used by the Heir Apparent to the throne of England." This is not the case with this badge, and it must be returned for this reason.

Badge returned for poor fieldless style.

Ian Edwardson. Kingdom resubmission device. Vert, a fireball argent enflamed proper within a bordure rayonny Or.

[Name] Registered 08/06.

[Armory] The submitter's previous submission, identical to this one, was returned by Crescent 03/06 for conflict with Christian du Glaive Gules, a grenade Or enflamed proper within a bordure rayonny Or (06/89). The submitter has provided a letter from Christian du Glaive of giving permission for this submission to conflict from Christian du Glaive.with his armory, Gules, a grenade Or, enflamed proper, within a bordure rayonny Or (registered 06/89). As greater than one year has elapsed since the time of the previous return, a new fee is required by the Caid College of Heralds.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Canis Scotus Aurelous. New name.

[Name] The submitter will allow all changes. If changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified meaning, sound and language/culture.

This name contains no documentation besides a persona story. Our best Latin resource is Lemprière's Classical Dictionary.

Canis is not found. The closest is Canius.

Scotus is not found. R&W lists Scottus under Scott, but as an English surname.

Aurelous is not found. The closest is Aureolus.

This must be returned for lack of documentation of the elements and construction of the name. Furthermore, as of the meeting date, no funds have been received for this submission. This is also reason for return.

Name returned for lack of documentation and lack of funds.

Lyondemere, Barony of

Signý í Þorskafjarðar. Laurel resubmission name and new device. Argent, a codfish vert and in canton a mullet sable

[Name] Submitted as Signyí Þorskafjarðar. The submitter desires a feminine name authentic for 9-10th C Norse/Icelandic. She will accept all changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about unspecified meaning and language/culture.

Her previous name submission, Signý Þorskafjarðargyðja was returned by Laurel 02/06 with the statement:

This name is a claim to be the ruler of Þorskafjarð. According to Cleasby, An English Icelandic Dictionary s.n. GOÞI:

The Norse chiefs who settled in Icel., finding the country uninhabited, solemnly took possession of the land (land-mini, q. v.); and in order to found a community they built a temple, and called themselves by the name of goði or hof-goði, ' temple-priest;' and thus the temple became the nucleus of the new community, which was called goðorð, n. :-- hence hof-goði, temple-priest, and höfð-ingi, chief, became synonymous, vide F^b. passim. Many independent goðar and goðorð sprang up all through the country, until about the year 930 the alþingi (q. v.) was erected, where all the petty sovereign chiefs (goðar) entered into a kind of league, and laid the foundation of a general government for the whole island.

The word gyðja is the feminine form for goði.

We would change this name to Signý Þorskafjarðarska (Signý, the woman from Codfish Fjord) or Signý í Þorskafjarðar (Signý in Codfish Fjord), but these are both major changes, which the submitter will not allow. Therefore, we are forced to return this name.

The submitter has chosen the second of two spellings suggested by Laurel. As submitted, the name is lacking the accent over the "y" in the given name. We have added this accent to make the name consistent.

[Armory] The submitter specifically requests that this be blazoned as a codfish for purpose of the cant. The fish here is carefully drawn to resemble a cod, a fairly ordinary-looking fish. A scribe who does not have on hand a reference image of a cod, and chooses instead to draw an ordinary fish, will still end up with an emblazon that closely resembles this one. Because of this, we have no problem forwarding this with the non-standard term.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Starkhafn, Barony of

Ellisif Leifsdóttir. New device. Per bend sinister purpure and azure, a bend sinister Or between a beacon sable enflamed proper and a bird argent perched upon a branch proper.

[Name] Appears on the 09/06 Letter of Intent from Caid.

[Armory] This must be returned for redraw.

The bend sinister is drawn too narrow to be registerable (Glossary of Terms, s.n. Diminutive). The beacon sable on the purpure field breaks the rule of tincture (Rules for Submission VIII.2). The flames on the beacon could be drawn in a more heraldic fashion. We recommend the submitter consult the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry or other heraldic source. Finally, while perhaps not reasons for return, the bird could be drawn a little larger and the brown branch on azure field also violates the rule of tincture. We recommend, upon resubmission, the submitter consider using an argent or Or branch instead.

Device returned for redraw.

Mae Lachtna. New name.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the unspecified sound.

Mae is the submitter's legal middle name as documented by a copy of her Social Security Card (Kateri is her legal given name). As Mae is, by type, a given name, it is registerable in a given name position. We also found several variants in R&W (pg. 304, s.n. May), where it occupies the place of a patronymic. The closest spelling is Johannes filius Maie, 1274.

Lachtna is found in OCM (p.119, s.n. Lachtnae). We must interpret this as an unmarked patronymic. "Unmarked patronymic bynames were not used in Gaelic in period and are reason for return." (Aine Fhionn, 07/03). This could be fixed by changing the name to "Mae inghean Lachtna" or similar, but believe the submitter would regard the addition of the patronymic marker as a major change, which she does not allow.

Some unreliable sources suggest the word Lachtna means "grey" or "milk-colored", so it could also be a descriptive byname, which would not require a marker. We cannot follow this line of reasoning without more solid documentation.

Name returned for lack of documentation.

Margaret Hepburn of Ardrossan. New badge. (Fieldless) A grayhound couchant regardant azure ermined and collared argent.

[Name] Registered 07/01 (via Drachenwald).

[Armory] The forms indicate this is a resubmission of a return by the Outlands College of Heralds. The original submission was returned there 10/06. It has never been ruled upon by Laurel. The Administrative Handbook IV.B states:

Kingdom of Residence - Submissions must be made through the appropriate heraldic officers as defined by the kingdom of which the submitter is a subject according to Corpora and Board policy. A submission already in process above the local level when a submitter leaves a kingdom may continue to be processed by the kingdom of origin until it is registered or returned by Laurel. In this case any resubmissions must be made through the new kingdom.

The submitter's choices are to resubmit via Outlands or submit as a new submission to Caid, for which a fee is required.

Badge returned for lack of funds.

Simon Montgumery. Laurel resubmission badge. (Fieldless) On a compass rose argent a capital letter "S" gules.

[Name] Registered 08/03 (via Outlands).

[Armory] The submitter's previous submission (submitted via the Outlands) (Fieldless) A compass rose argent surmounted by a capital letter "S" gules was returned by Laurel 09/06 with the statement, "This badge is returned for redraw, as the 'S' is barely overall. It should be drawn so that it is either clearly overall or clearly a tertiary charge." We believe that the submitter has done his best to satisfy Laurel's requirement.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Theodric of Pavia. Kingdom resubmission name and new device. Gules, an eagle head to sinister Or.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified sound.

Theodric is documented by the submitter from Saint Gabriel report 1809 (http://www.panx.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1809+0), which states:

The name <{TH}eodric> was originally of Continental German origin, but was adopted into Old English fairly early on. [1,2,3] ... We have a number of examples of this name: the Latin forms <Theodricus>, <Tedric(us)>, and <Teodericus>, in 1084 and 1086. These may be from the Continental German <Theudoric>, but it is also possible that these are instances of the Old English name. [1,4] "

The citations for this statement are:

1. Ekwall, Eilert. Early London Personal Names (Lund: C. W. K. Gleerup, 1947); p66
2. Forssner, Thorvald, Continental-Germanic Personal Names in England in Old and Middle English Times (Uppsala: K.W. Appelbergs Boktryckeri, 1916).
3. Feilitzen, O. von, The Pre-Conquest Personal Names of Domesday Book (Uppsala: 1937)
4. Reaney, P. H., & R. M. Wilson, _A Dictionary of English Surnames_ London: Routledge, 1991; Oxford University Press, 1995). s.nn. Terrey, Wise

This seems to document Þeodric, but with the other spellings given, the submitted spelling should be acceptable.

of Pavia. Pavia is a city in Italy. According to the submitter's documentation it was once part of the Ostrogothic (or East Goth) empire. The submitter's documentation includes a series of online maps which show Pavia in the extreme northwestern portion of what is now Italy, and that the area was controlled by the Ostrogoths around 600 AD. These maps are mostly scans from Muir's Historical Atlas – Medieval and Modern, from 1911. The URL's are as follows:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd_1911/shepherd-c-052.jpg

http://www.jannis.tu-berlin.de/Karten%20-%20Maps/0600-0600_AD_Europe.html

http://www.jannis.tu-berlin.de/Karten%20-%20Maps/0526-0526_AD_Europe.html

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/526eur.jpg

We discussed whether or not this name was presumptive of Theodoric the Great, King of the Goths. While this king had a palace at Pavia, his capitol was in the city now called Ravenna. The Catholic Encyclopedia (www.newadvent.org) tells us, "Pavia is the ancient Ticinum, … Theodoric built a royal palace at Pavia, also an amphitheatre … Throughout the Gothic War the city was held by the Goths." While close to presumptive, we believe this name is registerable.

[Armory] This conflicts with Gules, a double-headed eagle Or (Emperor of Constantinople, important non-SCA arms) with no Clear Difference for removal of one head. It also conflicts with Gules, a raven displayed head to sinister, within a serpent in annulo reguardant, head to base, Or, the head and tail bound together with a cord argent (Thorvald Wulfaersson, 10/87) with only a single CD for addition of the serpent. No clear difference is given between an eagle displayed and a raven displayed.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.

Western Seas, Barony of

Aber Hardt Wendländer. New name and device. Per chevron sable and vert, a flat-topped arch Or masoned sable and in base an ewer Or.

[Name] Submitted as Aber Hardt Wendlander. The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, is most interested in the unspecified sound.

Aber is the header spelling in Bahlow (pg. 2). It appears to be the diminutive form of Albrecht, which dates to 1250.

Hardt is the header spelling in Bahlow (pg. 211-212) Michael Hert 1303, and von dem Herte 1260. The header spelling is undated, but the authors show many names with –hardt as the deuterotheme (suffix).

Wendländer also found in Bahlow (pg. 604, s.n. Wendland(t)), undated meaning from the 'Wendland', a district near Lüneburg”. The only date Bahlow gives regards the language of the area (Wendish or Polabic), which "was spoken well into the 18th C".

The form is <given><surname><locative>. We have changed the last name to the documented form.

[Armory] We have suggested that the submitter make the masoning lines more bold. No conflicts found.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Order of Precedence Notes

Aber Hardt Wendländer is found in the Caid OP as "Aberhardt Windham" and "Aberhardt Wendlander".

Mae Lachtna (returned) is found in the Caid OP as "Mae of Starkhafn".

Theodoric of Pavia is found in the Caid OP as "Theodoric Mac Turic".

Þorfinnr brimill appears in the Caid OP as "Þorfinnr voouslur".

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