Minutes of the 18 January 1998 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the May 1998 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

The regular chapter meeting of the Caidan College of Heralds took place on the 18th day in the 3rd month of the reign of Rorik and Karina, in the year AS XXXII, being January 18, 1998, Gregorian, and was called to order at 11:09 a.m.

It's going to be a busy day. 21 submissions. Lunch may be abbreviated due to the number of submissions. Don't forget GWW is coming up. Heralds will be needed. Collegium is coming up as well. Everyone is encouraged to participate in those events and take advantage of the opportunity to learn. Crescent reminded people to sign up for ways to help at the Great Western War.

Crescent read from the January e-mail LoAR. Of note was a request from Laurel that a submitter draw a bordure narrower. Schwarzdrachen (Drachenwald principal) has been created a Pelican. Administrative comments on packets of submissions. Explication of rulings on the protection of sub-national coats of arms. The coats of arms of the Provinces of Canada have been protected in this LoAR. Question has been raised if this ruling includes the Swiss Cantons and the Shire and Local County arms of England. Cantons are included, others maybe/maybe not. "Direct sub-groups" only. Laurel acted on our letters of 9/3/97 and 9/29/97. As a result of one of our letters, laurel has protected the family badge of Lacy [Tinctureless] A lacy knot.

Domesday Reports Cantons should report via the primary branch. Domesday reports must include complete contact information for the reporting herald and sub-branches (society name, mundane name, address, phone number, email address if available.) Crescent reminded people to get in any tardy Domesday reports and especially reminded sub-baronial territories to send a copy to their baronial herald as well.

Collegium is coming up Mar 7 and 8. Lots of good heraldry courses. Senior heralds who have never taught at a collegium - shame on you. Beginning and Intermediate courses are taught by "staff"; volunteers are welcome. Crescent notes that there is a tendency on the part of some instructors to think of Introduction classes as unimportant. He disagrees, and says some of the most important classes we teach are the Introduction to Name and Introduction to Device classes; they are often the first place people encounter heraldry. Please pre-register, it makes life much easier for both the Collegium staff and the student. Chevron reminded people that we should pre-register before the Great Western War.

GWW II is but 3 weeks away. We're still looking for heralds to sign up. Those with Internet access a net based sign up form for volunteers is the best way to sign up for heraldry. Aurum will be soliciting volunteers today. They've added 3 tournaments that need heralds.

Only pre-registered individuals can be involved in the land grab. If you are camping, you must do a land grab; even for camping at/near Herald's Point.

Moucheture displayed two facsimile medieval tourney books with a number of plates (some in color) of tournament scrolls (one English, the other German), and an additional 3-volume set with Irish place names. Lucky Moucheture, to have had the opportunity to travel to England, visit the College of Arms, and find great book buys.

The College acted on the following submissions

Altavia, Barony of

Ursula Messerschmitt (new name and device)

Vert, a bear's head cabossed argent

Name:

All elements of this name are documented in Bahlow. Ursula 'became popular [first name] due to the legend of Saint Ursula' as found under this spelling on pg. 576. Messerschmitt can be found undated under Messer on pg. 363. A period reference can be found under Schmidt, pg. 498, which cites that "The many subdivisions of the smiths' guild in the Middle Ages are reflected in the [family names] compounded with -schmidt," of which one given example is Messer-. The entry further notes that the variation Schmitt is Upper German.

Device:

We consider this clear of Vert, a domestic cat's head affronty argent, collared and grasping in its mouth a dagger fesswise, hilt to sinister, argent hilted sable (Rebecca of Twywn, called the Demanding, Oct. 1981) We grant a CD for type of head, and a CD for the collaring (Mistress Jaelle in July 1997 regarding Isabella d'Hiver).

The submission is in conflict with Vert, a leopard's face argent (Liberton, pg. 911 of Papworth), but we do not consider this person to have significant importance to be protected.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angels, Barony of

Bartholomew Marchant of Studley Green (new name)

Name:

Bartholomew is dated to 1273 under this spelling in Withycombe, pg. 43. Marchant is dated to 1247 under this spelling in Reaney & Wilson, pg. 298. Studley is a town in Warwick which has a 13th century church according to Columbia Lippincott, (pg. 1835), though Ekwall does not give a period example of this precise spelling (pg. 451 under Studley). We could not document Green as a period spelling contemporary with the earliest citing of the other parts of the submitter's name. We did find greene (note ending 'e') dated to 1533 as '[a] piece of public or common grassy land situated in or near a town or village' (12b under green on pg. 1201 of the Compact OED), while most early period spellings in the OED seem to be grene.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Calafia, Barony of

Bjorn Pile of the Wode (Device resubmission to Kingdom; New badge)

Vert, a bear dormant Or atop a fascine fesswise argent within a bordure dovetailed Or

[Fieldless] A bear's paw-print Or

Name:

Registered by Laurel 12/97

Device:

[Badge] It is not completely obvious to Crescent that the disconnected nature of this charge is acceptable under Laurel's rulings on badges. The precedent of Ermine spots, "The ermine spot is considered a single charge, and is acceptable for fieldless badges" (Eduard Halidai, July, 1992, p. 3), appears to clarify this. However, this submission must be returned for conflict with Luchiano Giovanni de Churburg, Purpure chape ploye Or ermined purpure, a bear's paw-print Or and Lerben of Cambion (badge) Per fess dovetailed gules and vert in base a cat's paw-print Or. In each case, only one CD is granted for the change to the field.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL; BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Dorathea Osborne (new name and device)

Or, a gillyflower gules slipped and leaved vert

Name:

Dorathea [Reaney and Wilson, p. 50] under Blyman, dated to 1505. Osborne [Reaney and Wilson, p. 331-332] under Osborn. Also Ashmolean Museum brass rubbings from Norfolk England, Parish Holkham, Jane Osbourne 1618. [Withycombe, p. 235] under Osborn, lists Osborne as a variant of this common surname.

Device:

We note The Emperor of Japan, Dark, a sixteen petaled chrysanthemum, light. Crescent considers it clear due to the combination of the number 16 being required in the definition of the Emperor's mon, and the depiction showing a solid disk with detailing, as opposed to a disk with separate petals. We also cite Lowri Amarawd O'r Maes, Or, a basil flower purpure slipped and leaved vert (Nov. 84), but do not consider it in conflict due to one CD for tincture and one for the multi-petal flower vs. the multi-bell flower. We also cite Catrioa Eveleen Kilgannon, Or, a garden rosebud gules slipped and leaved within an orle of shamrocks vert (Sept. 91). We further cite [Papworth, p. 861] LOTEN, Or, a sprig with three Gillyflowers in bud vert (1765). Crescent feels that a bud is a CD away from a flower in bloom.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Séadna Kyncaide (new name and device)

Per saltire vert and azure, a compass star elongated to base argent

Name:

Séadna [Ó Corráin & Maguire, p. 163] Under Sétna. Kyncaide [Black, p. 399] under Kincaid, dated to 1550, is a territorial name. The name is a male name. We were unable to contact the submitter to verify if this is acceptable to her.

Device:

Conflicts with Kingdom of Ansteorra, [Tinctureless] A mullett of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouts (April, 1981).

NAME WITHDRAWN; DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

William Jakes (new device)

Argent, a stag's head couped affronty between in fess two thistles proper

Name:

Passed laurel 2/94

Device:

Submitter asks that his previous device, Per bend gules and sable, a hand mirror argent [registered 02/94] be retained as a badge.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ygraine o Gaerllion Fawr (new badge)

Azure, six pavilions in annulo Or

Name:

Registered by laurel 1/89

Device:

Crescent notes that he considers there to be a clear difference between a bell and a pavilion.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

St. Isidore, College of (Calafia)

André de la Mer (new name and device)

Quarterly vert and azure, a seahorse Or

Name:

André is found in [Dauzat, Noms de Famille, p. 9] under André. The toponymic phrase, de la Mer, can be constructed noting [Compact French Dictionary, p. 210] under Mare (pond or pool) and [p. 214] under Mer (sea). Also, [Dauzat, Noms de Lieux, p. 381] under Lametz gives Mer as a place-name. The citation in Dauzat, Noms de Lieux, under Lametz, appears to indicate that the spelling Mer is an alternate spelling of Mare. Delamar (yet another spelling) is documented in Dauzat, Noms de Famille, as a surname.

Device:

This conflicts with Catharine Ravenshill, [Fieldless] A seahorse Or (July, 91).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL; DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Darach, Shire of

Cristeane Regan MacNab (new name and device)

Sable, a unicorn rampant argent collared and fettered of a broken chain Or within a bordure argent

[new device] Per chevron checky sable and argent and gules, in base a unicorn rampant argent collared and fettered of a broken chain Or

Name:

Cristeane is found in [Black, p. 739] under Spain, dated to 1585. Regan [Reaney & Wilson, p. 331] is found under O'Regan, Regan. There is no date for Regan. MacNab [Black, p. 547] is found under MACNAB. This source shows Macnab and M'Nab , but does not show MacNab.

Device:

[First Device] Conflicts with Edmund Lowenheim d'Escoville Sable, a unicorn rampant argent armed crined and unguled between two bezants and a pheon Or, a bordure argent (Oct 82).

[Second Device] Note to artist It would be advisable to enhance the line of division somewhat to provide more space for the charge.

FIRST DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT; SECOND DEVICE AND NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Faílenn inghean Uí Thighearnaigh (new name and device)

Per bend sinister purpure and azure, three dolphins haurient argent

Name:

Faílenn [Ó Corráin & Maguire, p. 93] is found under Faílenn, dated to 637. inghean means 'daughter of.' Uí means 'a descendant of' named. Thighearnaigh, see [Woulfe, p. 652] under Ó Tighearnáin, an alias in Mayo and Westmeath Ó Tighearnaigh. We have aspirated the 'T' to put it in the feminine gender. Unfortunately, this conflicts with Faolan Mac Thighearnain (July 1990).

Device:

Due to lack of time, a complete check was not made. However, there was no conflict found in a cursory search.

NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT; DEVICE PENDED FOR NAME

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Anne Brittney Chanteclair (new name and device)

Quarterly vert and sable, a triskele Or between three mullets of seven points argent

Name:

Anne is found under this spelling on pg. 10 of Dauzat, Noms de Famille. Withycombe dates this spelling to "the beginning of the 14th century" (under Ann on pp. 25-6). Brittney is last alternate spelling of Britain found undated on pg. 65 of Reaney & Wilson. Should this spelling be found not acceptable, she will accept as an alternate Bretagne, which can found under the above dated to 1291. Chanteclair is found under Chantenay on pp. 109-10. As an alternate for possible Anglicization of her name if necessary for consistency, the submitter would accept Chaunteclere which is dated to 1371 under Chantlet on pg. 90 of Reaney & Wilson.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

James of Wiverneweald (name change)

Name:

His current registered name, James of Wiverewald (Sept. 1997), was forwarded in error by Crescent, so we are correcting the problem. Considering the period interchangeablility of u's and v's, wiverne is proposed as an alternate spelling of wiuerne, which is dated to 1610 as found under wyvern (pg. 3846 of the Compact OED). Weald is dated to 1570 under this spelling in the Compact OED (pg. 3718). Wiverneweald is a reasonable construction from the elements above.

NAME CHANGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Luciana Maria Novella Di Carlo (new name and device)

Quarterly gules and chequey Or and gules, two ivy leaves bendwise Or

Name:

Luciana is the feminine form of Luciano, as found under the latter on pg. 240 of Nomi, de Felice. Maria is found under this spelling on pp. 251-2 of Nomi, de Felice. Novella is found under this spelling on pg. 281 of Nomi, de Felice. Di Carlo is found under Carli on pg. 94 of Cognomi, de Felice.

Device:

We consider this to be marshalling as each quarter chequey can be a possible registerable device and thus a violation of RfS XI.3.b (ruled by Baron Bruce in Oct. 1992 regarding Aric Thomas Percy Raven). Had the chequey quarters been of a plain tincture instead it would be acceptable.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL; DEVICE RETURNED FOR APPEARANCE OF MARSHALLING.

Seònaid inghean Sheathain (device resubmission to Laurel)

Per bend vert and azure, a bend between a thistle and a harp Or

Name:

Sent to laurel 7/97

Device:

The original submission Per chevron vert and azure, a chevron between two pine trees couped and a mascle knot Or was returned by Laurel precedent in the LoAR of Mar 1996 (p. 12), and reaffirmed in the January 1997 LoAR cover letter. The mascle knot is no longer a registerable charge.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Allan Blackharp (device resubmission to Kingdom)

Or, an unstrung harp reversed sable within a bordure embattled vert

Name:

Sent to laurel 12/97

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Eiríkr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson (name change)

Name:

The submitter's current name, Eirikr Sigurdharson, was registered "some time ago". All elements of this name are documented in Gierr Bassi. Eiríkr is found under this spelling on pg. 9. Mjoksiglandi is found under this spelling on pg. 26. Sigurðarson is a patronymic constructed from Sigurðr (p. 14) as shown at the bottom of pg. 17.

NAME CHANGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Naevehjem, Barony of

'Afra' bint Tamir al-Sahrahwayyiah (Device appeal)

Vert, a fess sable fimbriated surmounted by a mosque, in canton a decrescent Or

Name:

Registered by Laurel, March, 1995

Device:

Her previous, identical submission was returned by Laurel in Dec. 1997 for lack of "evidence that [the submitter's] depiction of a mosque is a period depiction." The submitter has provided evidence that mosques with a single dome and single minaret existed in period as one of several possible alternative designs. Since this addresses the issue of whether her depiction is a reasonable depiction of a period mosque, we are forwarding the appeal. We note that while the submitter has demonstrated that these elements were found in period mosques and appear to be typical of mosques in that a minaret is associated specifically with religious function, the submitter's evidence also demonstrates that this is not the only possible configuration for a period mosque. Since mosques appear in more than one configuration, and it is necessary in Society heraldry to select one example as a defining instance, there appears to be no reason for this to not be the one selected.

A strict reading of the return would appear to ask that this depiction be shown to be a 'period' depiction. Since it is not a requirement for a charge to be depicted in period art to be acceptable in Society heraldry, we believe that the submitted evidence addresses the actual reason for return. (docs to Laurel) The Caidan College supports this appeal.

APPEAL APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Antón Ramirez de Andrada (New Name)

Name:

All names are documented by submitter from Elsbeth Anne Roth's "16th Century Spanish Names" article; a class handout from Pennsic XXVI. Furthermore, Anton is found under Antonius, dated to 1280 [Spanish Surnames (Melcon), p. 59.] Ramirez is found under Ranimirus, dated to 1169 [Melcon, p. 186]. We were unable to document the locative other than by Elsbeth's article.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Nordwache, Barony of

Catalina Morcilla of Villanueva de la Serena (new name)

Name:

Catalina is found under this spelling on pg. 151 of Nombres Propios Españoles (de Love). Morcilla is the feminine form of Morcillo which is a name of one of the members of Columbus' first voyage in 1492 (found on http//www.rootsweb.com/~ote/colship.htm [Ed. note: This page now appears to be here] which is taken from "Colon y Pinzon" by Captain Caesreo Fernaundez Duro, 1883). Villanueva de la Serena is the site of 'Roman remains' according to Columbia Lippincott (pg. 2031).

From the submitter's written comments she apparently believes that Juan Morcillo of Villanueva de la Serena is the full name of the person cited on the Duro's list cited above. On the other hand, we read the list to mean that one Juan Morcillo came from the town of Villanueva de la Serena (and the source is unclear if the list has been regularized to modern names and thus we are uncertain if the town had a different name in period). We are forwarding the submission citing RfS III.1.a which states that one can use an English preposition with an otherwise non-English name (the "lingua anglica" rule).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Conall Ó Cearnaigh (new name and device)

Vert, an eagle stooping Or

Name:

Conall is "[a] very old, common Celtic name" as found under this spelling on pg. 56 of Ó Corráin & Maguire. Ó Cearnaigh is found under (O) Kearney on pg. 171 of MacLysaght.

Device:

We consider this clear of Vert, an osprey volant proper (SCA-Tober Thorvald, March 1978) because of the precedence of Master Da'ud (March 1994, pg. 15) in granting a CD between volant and stooping. Unfortunately, we DO consider this in conflict with Gules masoned argent, an eagle volant to dexter base Or (SCA-Angus Turlock McClellan, Nov. 1990) there is only one CD granted for change of tincture of the field.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL; DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Starkhafn, Barony of

Conall MacSeaghain (new name)

Name:

Submitted as Connall Liam MacShane, this name was changed (with permission) to drop the Liam due to the double name problem; the submitter also requested the Scots Gaelic form of the name. Conall is found in Peadar Morgan under Conall. MacSeaghain is found in Black, p. 563 under MacShane.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Tour d'Yvoire, L'Université de la

Nikolai Dmitrii Iur'ev Ivakhaik (new name and device)

Purpure, a Russian Orthodox cross and a sinister tierce Or

Name:

All elements of this name are documented from Period Russian Names, 2nd Edition, Paul Wickenden of Thanet. Nikolai is dated to 1291 under this spelling on pg. 58. Dmitrii is dated to 1262 under this spelling on pg. 48. Iur'ev is dated to 1465 under Iurii on pp. 87-8. Ivakhaik is dated to 1333 under Ioann on pp. 84-5. The submitter notes that Wickendon cites the form of [given]-[given]-[patronymic]-[surname] as a period construction on pg. xxiii.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Wintermist, Shire of

Manus le Dragonier (New device)

Per fess purpure and Or, a cross counterchanged

Name:

Registered by Laurel, Sept. 1988

Device:

The submitter requests that his current device, Or, on a pale azure a unicorn's head erased sinister Or, armed and crined argent, all within a bordure counterchanged (registered, Feb. 1989), be released upon registration of this submission.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Viviana le Pryce (new device)

Argent, a peacock pavenated to base proper within a bordure purpure semy de lys Or

Name:

Registered by Laurel, March, 1992

Device:

Her current device, Argent, a peacock pavenated to base proper, a bordure purpure (registered, March 1992), is to be released. As a note to the artist, the wing of the peacock should be drawn contained within the body and tail (to avoid the contrast problem against the field), and that the eyes of the tail should be drawn more prominently.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

This chapter ended at 5:00 PM except for putting away books, etc. These minutes were typed by Golden Rose and Trident and massaged by Moucheture. Final mangling was left to, and done nicely by

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