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Minutes of the October 19, 2008 College of Heralds Meeting |
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Minutes of the October 19, 2008 College of Heralds Meeting |
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Meeting commenced at 11:40 AM.
In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Hrorek Chevron, Cassandre Nicole Loustaunau, Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Eridana Trident, Cormac Battlement, Damien Sable Fret, and Magdi Morrison..
Upcoming meetings are: November 23, December 14. The November meeting will be held at the home of current Crescent Lachlan, with a moving party following. The December meeting will take place at the home of then Crescent Su with the traditional holiday party.
Report of LoAR – The College of Arms has ruled to discontinue registering name elements that are "SCA Compatible" but not documented to period. The ruling also notes that "Ian" (as Dutch or Russian name), "the Wanderer" (as an English translation of the attested Polish and German names), "Haven" in English constructed place names, and "Silver" in award and order names, which were previously SCA Compatible, have been documented to period and may be used. Color emblazons on LoI which have been computer colorized after submission will be returned beginning March 2009. Definition of "Middle Gaelic" in Black – he is probably using McBain’s definition.
Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the December 30, 2008 Letter of Intent.
Katayama Tarou Hiromoto. Laurel resubmission device. Sable, a saltire within and conjoined to an annulet argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 04/08.
[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Argent, on a roundel sable a cross throughout argent, was returned by Laurel 04/08 for conflict. This is a complete redesign.
This is clear of Caitlin nicCoinnich (08/79, East), Sable, a saltire argent, interlaced with a holly wreath proper. [Ilex aquifolium], with one CD for couping the saltire and another for the tincture of the secondary charge.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Katayama Tarou Hiromoto. New badge. Argent, in saltire two arrow fletchings, shafts to base, within an annulet sable.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 04/08.
[Armory] The submitter provides documentation from "Samurai Family Crests" (http://www.samurai-archives.com) showing a design similar to this is the crest of the Ôtani clan. This emblazon has more "Western-style" fletching (trapezoidal rather than ovioid). These are clearly identifiable as arrow fletchings.
These charges appeared on the Outlands February 2008 LoI on the device for Walkelin Montgomery (June 2008 LoAR), and we used a blazon similar to that submission.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Einarr blóðøx. New name.
[Name] No preferences were indicated.
Einarr is found in Gierr Bassi (p.9) as a masculine name with 29 citations.
blóðøx is a byname found in Gierr Bassi (p.20) meaning "blood axe".
Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Thorin v{o,}rðr Ó Séaghdha. Laurel resubmission change from holding name, Thorin of Caid.
[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. The submitter's previous submission, Thorin Ó Séaghdha vörðr was returned by Laurel 02/08:
This name violates RfS III.1.a, Linguistic consistency; Gaelic grammar requires this name be interpreted as "Thorin, son of the warder [who is named] Shea". This means that the byname phrase combines Gaelic and Norse.
While the name Thorin is registered to him via his holding name, this submission introduces several problems, which are not present in his holding name. As submitted, this name appears to combine Old English, Gaelic, and Old Norse, each combination of which is a step from period practice. While the name Thorin is registered to him via his holding name, this name introduces the several aforementioned violations, which are not present in his holding name. Thorin was documented as an Old English name, but Fellows-Jensen, Scandinavian Personal Names in Lincolnshire and Yorkshire cites a Grunekell f. Thorin. This shows Thorin as a Latinized Norse name 1066-69. This removes the steps for combining Old English and Gaelic and Old English and Old Norse. One final problem is the character ö in vörðr; this is a modern transliteration of the character o-ogonek, an o with a reversed comma tail. For registration, we represent this character in Da'ud notation as {o,}.
We would rearrange the name elements and register the name as Thorin v{o,}rðr Ó Séaghdha. With the descriptive byname next to the given name, it becomes its own name phrase instead of being part of the patronymic name phrase. The name still combines Old Norse and Gaelic, which is a step from period practice. Unfortunately, even though the name would contain the same elements, rearranging its elements would significantly change its sound, appearance and meaning. As the submitter will not accept major changes, we are forced to return this name.
The submitter has selected the spelling suggested by Pelican.
Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Temperance Raynscrofte. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the spelling and language and/or culture, "Late Period English".
Temperance is found in Bardsley, "Curiosities of Puritan Nomenclature" (p.143) which cites baptisms of Temperance in 1615, 1610 and 1611, and a marriage in 1619. St. Gabriel dated to 1600 in Feminine Given Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1 by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/chesham/chesham-feminine.html).
Raynscrofte is found in Bardsley, "Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames" (p.637), dated to 1565, Martin Raynscrofte.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Dalphina Delacroix. New device. Per pale sable and argent, a natural tiger statant marked counterchanged.
[Name] This name was submitted on the June 2008 Letter of Intent from Caid.
[Armory] This conflicts with Malesius O'Brien (03/05), Per pale sable and argent, in pale three lions passant counterchanged, There is a single CD for the number of cats. There is no CD for the marking.
Device returned for conflict.
Medb ingen Echuid. New name and device. Per pale gules and sable, a panther sejant dexter forleg raised argent spotted of diverse tinctures and incensed Or between three triquetrae argent.
[Name] Submitted as Medb ingen Eochaid. No boxes are checked.
Medb is found in OCM (p.135, s.n. Medb) and is one of the most popular names in Medieval Ireland.
ingen Echuid is a patronymic based on the masculine name found in OCM (p.86, s.n. Eochaid) and is the second most popular name in Irish Society. Eochaid is found in "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early Medieval Ireland" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/irish100.html) where it appears 130 times. The genitive form is shown as Echuid, Eochada. This must be put into the genitive form, and we believe that Echuid is closest to her submitted spelling. College assistance with this change is greatly appreciated.
Name is approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Caid, Kingdom of. Kingdom resubmission badge. Azure, in pale a flame Or issuant from a crescent and, a bordure embattled argent.
[Name] The branch name was registered 02/75. This badge is to be associated with Golden Flame, Order of the, which was returned by Crescent 09/08.
[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Azure, a candle argent enflamed Or, a bordure embattled argent was returned by Crescent 09/08 for conflict with Azure, a candle palewise argent enflamed at both ends Or, (Rurik the Axe-finder. 05/88). This is a complete redesign. We believe the flame and crescent are co-primary. We found no conflicts based on either interpretation.
Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel. Withdrawn by the submitter.Alexandra Raven. New device. Per fess argent and azure, two ravens addorsed sable and an open book proper.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 05/08.
[Armory] This depiction of a raven is copied from the period arms of "Raven" in the 15th century Gruenenberg’s Book of Arms (copy included).
A "book proper" has been registered five times. It is not defined in the Glossary of Terms. The Pict Dict notes "a book is a set of pages of paper or parchment, bound along one edge, with leather or wooden covers." It also notes that "a book 'bound proper' is bound in brown leather." Parker (q.v. "book") cites the University of Oxford as bearing a book proper. Thus there must be proper color for a book; we assume that it is argent with a brown binding.
In the past, binding on a book has been held to differ from fimbriation, e.g., "[Or, an open book argent bound sable] the book is essentially argent on Or, in violation of the Rule of Contrast. The black binding does not remove the problem, as fimbriation might --- for it doesn't completely surround the charge. (Caelina Lærd Reisende, December, 1992, pg. 15)". Given this, we do not believe that there is a problem with the brown binding on the azure field, The book is more than half argent, and the entire book is identifiable.
This is clear of Per fess argent and azure, a hand balance sable and an open book argent bound sable clasped Or (Atlantia, Kingdom of, for the the Atlantian Clerk of Law, 07/01),. There is a CD for changing the number of primary charges and another for changing the type of half the charges.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Alexandra Raven. New badge. (Fieldless) On an open book proper two ravens addorsed sable.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 05/08.
[Armory] A "book proper" has been registered five times. It is not defined in the Glossary of Terms. The Pic Dic notes "a book is a set of pages of paper or parchment, bound along one edge, with leather or wooden covers." It also notes that "a book 'bound proper' is bound in brown leather." Parker (q.v. "book") cites the University of Oxford has bearing a book proper. Thus there must be proper color for a book; we assume that it is argent with a brown binding and are forwarding this submission with those tinctures.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Hroaldr Egilsson. New name and device. Or, a bear passant and on a chief azure three quill pens bendwise Or.
[Name] Submitted as Hroaldr Egillson. Submitter desires a masculine name. He allows minor changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified sound.
Hroaldr is found in Geirr Bassi (p.11, s.n. Hróaldr) as a masculine name with fourteen occurrences. Old Norse names are registerable without accents, as long as they are used or omitted consistently, per precedent (Olaf Ericson, 09/2002 LoAR).
Egilsson is a patronymic from Egill, found as a given name in Geirr Bassi (pg 9) as a masculine name with 11 occurrences. Pg 17 suggests that the second /l/ is dropped when forming the patronymic, with 2 /s/. We have made this change.
Name is approved as changed and forward to Laurel. Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Marcus Artorius Metellus. Kingdom resubmission badge. (Fieldless) Two daggers inverted in saltire sable and overall a lion rampant to sinister argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 10/07.
[Armory] The submitter's previous submission, with a blazon identical to this one was returned by Crescent 09/08 for redraw due to two problems:
The first of these issues has been addressed by the submitter. As for the second, the submitter provides a more recent precedent that the College had not previously considered:
[Approving: (Fieldless) An open book argent, overall two recorders in saltire azure] The primary concern is identifiability. The charges in this badge maintain their identifiability, though the area of overlap is larger than we normally allow, and thus the badge is registerable. We note that if the charges had been reversed, that is (Fieldless) Two recorders in saltire azure overall an open book argent, the badge would not have been registerable as the recorders would have been unidentifiable. [Sondra van Schiedam, 09/06]
As the charges are all identifiable, we believe that the large area of overlap does not require return.
We have blazoned the primary charges as daggers rather than swords to match his device, Gules, on a pale between two lions combatant argent two daggers with hilts to center sable.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Maluchka Korotkova. New name.
[Name] Submitter allows minor changes and, if changes must be made, she wants a name that sounds like "Mah-loo’-chka" and is in the Russian language
Both elements of this name are found in Wickenden.
Maluchka is a feminine name found in Wickenden p. 200. (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/paul/ma.html)
Maluchka (f) -- "small."
Korotkova is a patronymic based on "Korotkoi" a byname found in Wickenden, p.161 (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/paul/ko.html)
Korotkoi (byn) -- "short."
Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Seraphina Lilje. New name and device. Per saltire purpure and sable, a lily blossom and a bordure argent.
[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She will accept minor changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about unspecified sound. Trident asserts this is an Italian given name with a German byname.
Serafina is found in St. Gabriel report 2939 http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2939+0
Serafina was not a common name in period Italy, but it was occasionally used. There was a Saint Seraphina (usually referred to as Santa Fina) who lived in Italy during the 13th century [1], and there was a 15th century Blessed Seraphina Sforza and a 16th century Saint Seraphin of Montegranaro [2]. Note that these are modern spellings. The period spellings were probably closer to those illustrated by the masculine examples Seraffo> and Serafino, from Florence in 1427 [3]. Therefore, Serafina is at least a plausible name for 16th century Florence.
With the following references:
[1] Butler's Lives of the Saints, Herbert J. Thurston and Donald Attwater eds. (New York: P.J.. Kenedy & Sons, 1958).
[2] Catholic Encyclopedia. (WWW: New Advent, Inc., 1997).
http://www.knight.org/advent/cathen/
[3] Ferrante laVolpe, _Men's names from Florence, 1427_ (WWW:
Self-published, 1996).
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catast
Lilje is found in "Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names from the Bavarian Dialect Area" by Brian M. Scott (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/Early_German_Bynames.html)
LILJE: ‘a lily’; NHG Lilie.
If Seraphina is an Italian name, it may be used with a German byname as one step from period practice (Damiano Faust, 09/04). If Seraphina is a French name, it may be used with a German byname as one step from period practice (Öhrens de Gant, LoAR 10/04)
[Armory] This conflicts with Pean, a lily, slipped and leaved, within a bordure argent (Francesco Alberti, 06/88). There is a CD for changes to the field. In general there is no difference for adding or removing slipping and leaving. Precedent supports this for lilies:
Renate Hildegerter. Device. Azure, a lily blossom argent within a bordure wavy Or. Conflict with Aultain Moire O'Linnala ("Azure, a bar wavy Or surmounted by an arum lily argent.") and Kay Delafleur ("Azure, an Easter lily flower, leaved and slipped, proper, fimbriated Or."). In the former case, the only significant change visually is the substitution of a bordure wavy Or for the bar wavy Or: no additional difference for position should be derived since the position is intrinsic to the difference in kind between a bar and a bordure. In the latter case, the differences in the lilies, even counting the fimbriation, do not amount to a clear major point of difference. (In answer to the inevitable question: both of these submissions were registered at Heraldicon in August, 1979, and cross checking among submissions considered there was cursory to non-existent.) [11/1988]
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.
Stefanus Calise di Livorno. New Name.
[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor changes. The submitter specifically allows the dropping of the middle name element if required to register.
Stefanus is an Italian Given name found with one occurrence (Stephanus has 11 occurrences) in "Masculine Names from Thirteenth Century Pisa: Given Names in Alphabetical Order" by Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/pisa/pisa-given-alpha.html).
Calise is the submitter's mother’s maiden name, but Trident is unable to document this to period and would appreciate any assistance by the College. Calise is found dated to 1572 on ancestry.com in Leicestershire.
Cesaro Calise is an artist of the late 16th century found in "Forio clutura: Un patrimonio da scoprire" (http://www.clio.unina.it/~forio/index.php?mod=02_Patrimonio_storico_artistico/03_Artisti/01_Catalogo_degli_Artisti/none_Scheda_Artista&id=01&switch=princ):
Quelle ricavate dai contratti firmati dall'artista e dai regsitri parrocchiali di S. Maria di Loreto e di S. Vito, riguardano un periodo compreso tra il 1588 e il 1641. Nel 1588 un "Cesaro Calise" sottoscrive come testimone a Forio una ricevuta di suppellettili della Confraternita di S. Maria di Loreto firmata dal diacono Antonio Calise.
Rough translation:
Those derived from the contracts signed by the artist and the parish of St. Maria di Loreto and S. Vito, cover a period between 1588 and 1641. In 1588 a "Cesaro Calise" signed as a witness to a receipt of Forio furnishings of the Confraternity of St. Maria di Loreto witnessed by deacon Antonio Calise.
di Livorno is a locative byname based on "Livorno" found in the Atlas Major of 1665 on the Tuscan coast of Italy. It is found reproduced in Van der Krogt, Joan Blaeu: Atlas Maior of 1665 (Taschen GmbH, 2005) "VIII/1 Italia" (pp. 372-3), first published in 1665, though based on a map dated 1608. Also it is found on Ibid "VIII/25 Dominio Florentino" (pp. 410-11), also first published in 1665, though based on a map dated 1584.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Thea Gabrielle Northernridge. Laurel resubmission badge. (Fieldless) On a hand of Fatima Or, an eye azure.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 03/00.
[Armory] The submitter's previous design was the same as this submission and was returned by Laurel 11/06 for conflict the device of Geva de Lile, Azure, on a dexter hand apaumy Or a goutte azure. The LoAR noted "There is a CD for fieldlessness, but nothing for the type of hand. As a hand of Fatima is not simple enough to void, RfS X.4.j.ii does not apply and there is nothing for changing the type only of the tertiary charge."
Since this resubmission is identical to her previous submission, it does not address the reason for previous return.
Badge returned for conflict.
Thea Gabrielle Northernridge. Kingdom resubmission badge. (Fieldless) A spindle bendwise sinister argent threaded Or.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 03/00.
[Armory] The submitter's previous design (Fieldless) An escarbuncle of six drop spindles, bases conjoined at the center, argent.was returned by Crescent 06/06 for lack of identifiability of the charges. This is a complete re-design.
Submitter's documentation includes, from "A Display of Heraldrie", an example of this depiction of a spindle known as a "wharrow spindle" borne by "Trefues".
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Anastasia Nyghtgale. New name.
[Name] No preferences were indicated.
Anastasia is documented as an English feminine given name found in R&W (p.12) s.n. Ansteys, with this spelling dated to 1221. The first surname above certainly derives from the feminine Anastasia, though the masculine Anastasius also existed. Both are from adjective from Greek for “Resurrrection”
Nyghtgale The surname Nightegale is dated to 1260 in R&W (p.322, s.n. Nightegale). It is found in this spelling in Jonsjo, "Middle English Nicknames" Pg. 135 Thom. Nyghtgale dtd to 1361.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Fiametta Margherita a Lucente. New name and device. Gules, three foxgloves slipped and leaved Or.
[Administrative] This submitter lives in the West Kingdom. Apparently there was some confusion at the Great Western War consult table, and this came home with Crescent. We are forwarding submission and funds to the West Kingdom College of Heralds.
Fiametta Margherita a Lucente. New badge. (Fieldless) A spoon argent enfiled of a serpent glissant palewise Or.
[Name] The submitter's name appears above.
[Administrative] See above.
Elyn de Hauocmore. Kingdom resubmission device. Per bend wavy argent and Or, a hawk sable and a pomegranate inverted slipped and leaved gules.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 03/04.
[Device] The submitter's previous design, with a blazon identical to this one, was returned by Crescent 09/08 for redraw:
This armory needs to be redrawn. First, the wavy line of division must come clearly out of the corner. Second, the hawk must have a larger head that is clearly predatory. Third, the fruit must be drawn with the seeds visible. They may be of a contrasting tincture, but do not have to be. Finally, both charges should be drawn significantly larger to fill the available space.
This submission addresses the reasons for previous return.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Sean of Sheephaven. New name and device. Vert, in cross a compass star elongated to base argent, two compass stars and a drop spindle Or.
[Name] Submitted as Sean of Sheep Haven. The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept all changes and if changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified meaning and unspecified language and/or culture.
Sean is documented from OCM (p.163, s.n. Seaan: Seán). The site lists "Seán" as the later form of this name. This entry says, "It was brought into Ireland by the Anglo-Normans settled but it was soon adopted by the Irish."
Sean is cited in Index of Names in Irish Annuls, 8 times in the 15th century
of Sheephaven is a locative byname based on "Sheep Haven", found in Room, "A Dictionary of Irish Place-Names" (p.113, s.n. Sheep Haven). Room lists this as a placename in Donegal but gives no date for this name.
Sheephaven can be constructed from Ekwall. Whitehaven p. 514, dtd to 1202 Hwithothehavenne, and Sheepwash p. 415, dated Shepwasse to 1249. The dated examples all have the placename as a single, compound word. We have changed the byname to match this pattern.
[Armory] This conflicts with Vert, in pale a compass star and a lamp Or, enflamed at the tip proper (Gordon MacBlayr de Galowaye, 06/83) and Vert, in pale a compass star elongated to base argent and a hand Or (Rose Mary Vethig, 12/04), based on the July 2005 cover letter on counting differences. To count as a clear difference per RfS X.4.e, at least one half of the charge group must be changed. Here only one quarter of the charge group has been changed.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device is returned for conflict.
Sigbi{o,}rn Sigmundarson. New name and device. Gules, a bear statant erect argent and on a chief Or the Greek characters sigma, iota and chi sable.
[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the unspecified sound. The submitter changed the spelling of the name on the submission form prior to submission.
Sigbi{o,}rn is a masculine given name documented from Lind, column 875, with Sigbiorn Kurtner, dated 1339.
Sigmundarson is a patronymic based on "Sigmundr", a masculine given name dated 1310 and documented from Lind, column 881.
Lind is not on the current no-photocopy list but is on the revised list, however, photocopies have still been requested and will be forwarded with this name submission.
[Armory] The submitter blazoned the letters on the chief as the runes Sowilo, Isaz, and Gebo. We were unable to verify that this is an accurate depiction of Sowilo; it most closely resembles the Greek letter sigma. We therefore have blazoned this using Greek character names, as the first character looks exactly like a Greek chi. We request that the submitter document the depiction he is using or choose the more standard Sowilo. The meaning of the letters must also be specified. We assume it is intended to spell the sound "SIG", a shortened form of his chosen given name.
The bear on the device is not drawn in a heraldic posture, rather it is somewhat trian, or three-quarters view. This is cause for return, per RfS VIII.4.
We suggest that at the time of submission, the submitter indicate the reason for chosing the indicated runes so we may better represent his desires.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device is returned for non-period style.
Mealla Caimbeul. New badge. (Fieldless) The astrological symbol for Venus within and conjoined to an annulet argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 07/04.
[Armory] The astrological symbol for Venus is found on the submitter's registered arms, Per chevron purpure and gules, a chevron and in base the astrological symbol of Venus argent (02/04). While the symbol, used as a secondary charge, is grandfathered to the submitter, its use within and conjoined to an annulet is not. Previous precedent suggests this may be two steps from period practice:
[Azure, a triangle inverted voided and a triangle voided conjoined in pale within the astronomical sign for Taurus argent] When Laurel first accepted registration of astrological symbols, he did so based on a period example of the symbols being used essentially as decoration on a celestial sphere (or as identifying marks). Therefore their use as standard charges must be considered a weirdness. Using it in this non-standard fashion (the framing of one charge by another is itself very rare in period heraldly), is another weirdness, especially combined with another highly usual charge used in an unusual fashion. Overall, this design is too far from period practice to be registerable. (Ungust Filius Antonii, 06/00)
However, using a charge within and conjoined to an annulet on fieldless badges is a very well-established practice in the Society, and it is also very similar to the Scottish practice of placing a charge within and conjoined to a belt buckled in annulo. Additional consideration leads us to believe that this submission may be registerable without being two steps from period practice. We appreciate the commentary of the College of Arms on this submission.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Wulfwyn æt Dunholm. New name and device. Per chevron raguly azure and Or, three water bougets counterchanged.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept all changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the sound, "wolf win".
Wulfwyn is dated to 901 in "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surname" by Talan Gwynek (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/reaneyHZ.html). This citation is from R&W, s.v. Summerton, p. 434. Wulfwynn is also found in Searle (p.522) dated to 1040.
æt Dunholm is a locative byname based on documentation from Ekwall (p. 154, s.n. Durham) who dates Dunholm to c 1000 and 1056. Æt is a standard Old English locative preposition.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Ymanya Bartelot. Laurel resubmission device. Quarterly azure and Or, a cockatoo close gules winged, tailed and crested argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 10/07.
[Armory] In 10/07, Laurel returned her first design, Or, a popinjay gules beaked, winged and tailed argent:
This device is returned for inadequate contrast of the popinjay. The defining features of the popinjay, its beak and tail, are argent on Or. This lack of contrast fatally hinders identification of the bird. We've previously ruled (Catherine Townson, February 2006) that there's a CD between a raven and a popinjay, based on the beak and tail; it thus becomes important that those features be seen, which means they must have good contrast.
This emblazon has the argent portions of the bird on the azure portion of the field and so avoids the problem with the original submission.
In 03/08, Crescent returned her design, Quarterly azure and Or, a red and white cockatoo close proper:
Unfortunately, the bird in this submission does not closely resemble a Cockatoo. Specifically, the crest is not very like a cockatoo's. There are also questions about the blazonability of the different colored sections of the bird, specifically the additional argent 'cap'. Therefore, it is in the best interest of the submitter to redraw and resubmit.
The current emblazon is a big improvement.
The legs are sable; we believe this to be an artistic detail and does not need to be indicated in the blazon.
We note that Laurel ruled in the 10/07 return of her device, that "the beak, wings, and tail of Ymanya's popinjay constitute half the charge." This means that there is a CD between this cockatoo, which is essentially the same bird, and any all-gules bird.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Ymanya Bartelot. New badge change. (Fieldless) A cockatoo close gules winged, tailed and crested argent.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 10/07.
[Armory] The submitter wishes to release her current, registered badge, (Fieldless) A popinjay gules beaked, winged and tailed argent, registered 10/07, upon registration of this one.
The legs are legs are sable; we believe this to be an artistic detail and does not need to be indicted in the blazon.
We note that Laurel ruled in the 10/07 return of her device, that "the beak, wings, and tail of Ymanya's popinjay constitute half the charge." This means that there is a CD between this cockatoo, which is essentially the same bird, and any all-gules bird.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Crystylys del mar. New name and device. Per chevron purpure and Or, two plumeria blossoms argent and three purpure *or* Purpure, in chief two cinquefoils argent and on a point pointed Or three cinquefoils one and two purpure.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept all changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the language and/or culture, "Spanish, close to my legal name, [Crystal]".
Crystylys We did not find any Spanish form of Crystal, or any period documentation for "Crystylys". We did find forms of Crystall in "13th & 14th Century Scottish Names" by Symon Freser of Lovat at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_given.html. The spellings in that article include Cristal, Cristall, Cristole, Crystall, Crystoll (as a form of Christopher).
Altogether, we do not feel this documentation is solid enough to risk forwarding at this time. We respectfully request that the submitter clarify her wishes. Is "Crystal", as a Scottish name, OK with the submitter?
del mar no documentation provided… and we didn’t record any that was found at the meeting ;-P
We note this is clear of Cristal Fleur de la Mer by the removal of a name element.
[Device] Per chevron lines of division are expected to divide the field into two even areas. The line of division for this submission does not, and it is also rather high for a point pointed. Recent precedent suggests that per chevron lines of division which reach only the fess point should be returned for redraw. This is reason for return.
Drawing the per chevron field more evenly will allow the three charges in the base to be larger. We also suggest that the submitter consider Per chevron purpure and Or, three plumeria blossoms counterchanged which would be closer to period armorial design.
Name is returned for lack of documentation. Device is returned for redraw.
None.
Bardsley, Charles. W., “A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames”. London, 1901; Ramsbury, Wiltshire: Heraldry Today. Reprint ed.: 1988
Ekwall, Eilert. "The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names". 4th ed. Oxford University, New York, 1960. [Ekwall]
Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. “The Old Norse Name”. Olney, MD: Studia Marklandica, 1977. [Geirr Bassi]
Juliana de Luna. “Masculine names from Thirteenth Century Pisa.” (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/pisa/pisa-bynames-alpha.html)
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Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, Index of Names in Irish Annals: Seán (Seóan) http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Sean.shtml
Paul Wickenden of Thanet, “Dictionary of Period Russian Names”, 2nd Ed
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Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale. “Italian Renaissance Women’s Names.” (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html)
Room, Adrian. "A Dictionary of Irish Place-Names". Belfast: Appletree Press, 1994.
Scott, Brian. “Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names form the Bavarian Dialect Area”, www.sca.org/laurel/names/Early_German_Bynames.html
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Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, "100 Most Popular Men's Names in Early
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Websites cited:
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/chesham/chesham-feminine.html
Saint Gabriel Report # 1670, http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?1679+0
Saint Gabriel Report # 2939, http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2939+0
http://www.clio.unina.it/~forio/index.php?mod=02_Patrimonio_storico_artistico/03_Artisti/01_Catalogo_degli_Artisti/none_Scheda_Artista&id=01&switch=princ
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