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Minutes of the July 13, 2008 College of Heralds Meeting

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Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.

This meeting was lead by Su Dolphin, Lachlan Crescent was out-of-town due to a family emergency. In attendance were: Su Dolphin, Cassandre Nicole Loustaunau, Meala Caimbeul, Thomas Quatrefoil, Eridana Trident, Marion Coral, and Jared Seraph, Krysta Vesper Emeritus, Tighearnan O’Faolain.

Upcoming meetings are: August 17, September 28, October 19, November 23 and December 14.
The November meeting will include moving the Heraldic library and files to Su Crescent’s house, and the December meeting will be the first meeting in Fullerton.

Pennsic War is July 25 through August 10, 2008.  Caidan submissions will be accepted – Illuminada, Silver Trumpet, will be bringing the completed forms home with her.

Crown Tourney is August 23, 2008 in Lyondemere – any and all assistance with field heralding will be greatly accepted.

Please advise all heralds to have submitters fill in all the spaces at the top of the forms including phone numbers and e-mail addresses.

These minutes were taken by Thomas Cinquefoil and edited by Illuminada, Silver Trumpet, Su Dolphin and Lachlan Crescent.

Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate.  Approved submissions will be forwarded on the September 30, 2008 Letter of Intent.


Al Sahid, Shire of

Christmas Caryl. New name and device. Gules, three slips of two holly leaves conjoined in pall inverted fructed argent

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will allows minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, cares about the unspecified meaning.

Christmas is found in Withycombe (3rd edition p.65, header), which states, "this, like other names of Church festivals, was sometimes given to children born on that day and is found from the 13th C down to the present day." The Oxford English Dictionary (Compact ed. p.408) dates this spelling to 1568.

Caryl is found in R&W (1997 ed, p. 84 under Carrell) a metonymic for a maker or seller of pillows or bolsters.  This spelling is dated Stephen Caryl 1332

Previously, well-documented names with a humorous content have been registered on a case-by-case basis, when the combination of name elements produces a period concept, and is not obtrusively modern. The term "Christmas carol" is from late period, and the general term "carol," (a song of religious joy) is much older. The OED (Compact Ed., p.343, s.n. Carol) dates "Christmasse Carolles" to 1521.

[Armory] Clear of Gules, three holly leaves conjoined in pall and fructed argent (Ki no Torame, 12/05) with one CD for number (six leaves versus three) and one CD for arrangement (in pall inverted versus in pall). The submitting herald is attempting to obtain a letter of permission to conflict if necessary.
Name and device are approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Wystan Albryght. New name and device.  Per chevron vert lozengy and argent, in base a cross formy gules.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name, he will accept minor changes but not major changes, and if changes must be made, cares most about the unspecified sound. 

Wystan is found in Withycombe (3rd edition p. 294) as the header from the OE Wigstan meaning battle and stone. This spelling is dated c 1190.

Albryght is found in R&W (1997 ed p. 5, s.n. Albright) with  Herriesservant Albryght (‘servent of Harry Albryght’) dated 1378.  From OE form of Albert

[Armory] While lozenges are typically depicted taller than they are wide, this is also acceptable. The Pic Dict states that “[a lozenge] may be found occasionally as a delf saltirewise”. 

Name and device are approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of the

Angels, Barony of the. New order name:  Cloak, Order of the

[Name] The barony’s name was “registered at some point”.

Cloak is found in the OED (Compact ed. p. 509, s.n. Cloak) dated to the 16th century in this spelling and defined as “a loose outer garment worn my both sexes over their clothes.”  This follows the period order naming practice of “Order of the [item of regalia],” which examples include “Order of the Garter.”

Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of the. Kingdom resubmission order name, Angels Maunch, Order of the, and Kingdom resubmission badge,. [Fieldless] A maunch Or gouty des larmes.

[Name] The barony’s name was “registered at some point”. The barony's previous submission, "Soggy Maunch, Order of the" was returned by Crescent, 07/07 for lack of documentation of order name construction.

Angels Maunch, Order of the. This order name follows the pattern "Order of the [object of religeous veneration]". The 08/05 LoAR gives, as an example of this construction, "Shield of Saint George". We are familiar with the term "maunch" from heraldry. The Pic Dict says of it, "A maunch is an ancient heraldic charge, dating from 1244..." Additionally, the word had meaning in non-heraldic English. The OED (Compact ed. p.1712, s.n. "Manch, maunche") dates the meaning "A sleve. Obs. exc. as applied by antiquaries to the form of sleeve imitated in the heraldic 'manche'" to 1391 (in Latin) and 1602 (in English). Under the heraldic definition, the OED dates the submitted spelling to 1592. We believe it plausible that the sleeve of an angel's gown could be venerated.

It is also worth noting that, per precedent, the possessive noun should be without an apostrophe, as submitted. ("Submitted as Order of the Lion's Paw of Kenmare, we have removed the apostrophe; there is no evidence that the apostrophe was used in period.", Northkeep, Barony of, 05/04)

[Armory] The barony's previous submission with the same blazon was returned by Crescent 07/07 for a redraw, "This emblazon has far too many goutes, which reduces their recognizability. This is reason for return. ".  This submission addresses those issues.

Name and badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of the. New order name. Archangels, Company of the, and new badge. [Fieldless] A bow gules drawn of an arrow Or.

[Name] The barony’s name was “registered at some point”.

Company is a standard household designator.

Archangels are one of the nine choirs of angels recognized by the Catholic Church.  They rank in precedence above angels, but below thrones.  The word is found in the OED (Compact ed. p. 439, s.n. archangel) and dated in this spelling to the 12th century.  This follows the order naming practice “Order of [choir of angels]” grandfathered to the barony via Cherubim, Order of the (05/03) and Seraph, Order of the (08/03).

Name and badge are approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of the. New badge:  Gules, a woman’s head couped to sinister argent, wearing a Grecian helmet Or.

[Name] The barony’s name was “registered at some point”. This badge is to be associated with Athena, Order of (registered 04/82)

Returned for lack of paperwork at the time the LoI was completed.


Jason Thomas the Wanderer. Acceptance of transfer of household name, Chateau Corbeau, La Companie du and acceptance of transfer of badge Per bend sable and argent, a castle and a corbie close contourny counterchanged from Morgaine FitzStephen.

[Name] Submitter's primary name was registered 08/88. The household name was registered to Morgaine FitzStephen, 11/98.

[Armory] Registered to Morgaine FitzStephen, 01/98

Household name and badge transfers approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Morgaine FitzStephen. Transfer of household name, Chateau Corbeau, La Companie du and badge, Per bend sable and argent, a castle and a corbie close contourny counterchanged to Jason Thomas the Wanderer.

[Name] Submitter's name was 05/86. This household name was registered 11/98.

[Armory] Registered 01/98.

Household name and badge transfers approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Morgaine FitzStephen. New badge. [Fieldless] A dragonfly Or winged argent.

[Name] Registered 05/86

[Armory] Morgaine's badge, Per bend sable and argent, a castle and a corbie close contourny counterchanged and the associated household name, Chateau Corbeau, La Companie du, are being transferred to Jason Thomas the Wanderer.  Otherwise, this would be her fifth piece of armory, which is not allowed.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Calafia, Barony of

Anneis Sanguine. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, cares most about the unspecified spelling.

Anneis A form of Agnes –Dated 1154-89 on http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html.  Also found in  R&W (1997 ed p. 12, s.n. under Annas) which states Agnes and Anneis are identical.

Sanguine is found as header spelling in R&W (1997 ed p. 391) undated in this spelling, with John Sanguin 1194 and William Sangwyn 1270 “of a sanguine complexion” The Oxford English Dictionary (Compact ed. p.2636) dates this spelling to 1601.

Name is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Anne Ouy de York. New Device. Per bend sinister argent and azure, a snail passant contourney bendwise sinister Or shelled vert.

[Name] The submitter's name appears on the July 31, 2008 LoI.

[Armory] This is clear of Argent, a snail vert. (Cathleen of Greystones 08/95) with one CD for the field and a second for the orientation of the snail.  Because the shell is the most prominent portion, the Or body probably doesn’t count for difference.

Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Arabella Gotokirke . Resub Kingdom Device. Quarterly purpure and sable, on an elephant statant contourny trunk raised argent an escallop purpure.

[Name] Registered 02/08

[Armory] The previous submission Quarterly purpure and sable, an elephant contourny, trumpeting argent was returned by Crescent 6/18/08 for conflict with [Fieldless] an elephant contourny argent bearing on its back a tower proper (Order of Elephant, 11/98 [important non-SCA badge]) with one CD for addition of the field. We noted at that time “In period, elephants were drawn with or without towers as a matter of artistic license, and therefore removing the tower does not warrant a CD” and the possible additional conflict with [Fieldless] an elephant contourny proper (Donn son of Fergus 03/94). This submission has an additional CD for the tertiary escallop

Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Arinbj{o,}rn Asbrandarson. New name.

[Name] Submitted as Arinbjorn Asbrandarson. The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept minor but not major changes and if changes must be made, cares most about the Norse language and culture.

Arinbj{o,}rn is found in Geirr Bassi (p. 7) as a given name with 2 occurrences. We have changed the o to o-oginek to match the documentation.

Ásbrandarson is a patromymic derived from Ásbrandr, which is also listed as a given name in Geirr Bassi (p. 8) with 4 occurrences. We have constructed the patronymic per Geirr Bassi’s instructions on pg. 17, with the presumption that the name is one of the special cases, which form the genitive with ar. (it is similar to -þrándr)

Name is approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Arnóra Fiðrdóttir. New name change and device. Or, two estoiles between flaunches sable

[Name] The currently registered name Anne de Guise (12/04) is to be retained as an alternate. The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and cares most about the unspecified sound.

Arnóra is found in Geirr Bassi (p. 7) as the common feminized form of Arnoddr (7 times)

Fiðrdóttir is a patronymic based on Fiðr found in Geirr Bassi (p. 9) as a male given name.

[Armory] The closest we found was Or, in pale three crosses bottony fitchy between flaunches sable (Stephanie Winterin von Brandenburg  07/06), and is clear via X.2 for substantial change of primary charge.

Name and device are approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Cera MacClanahan. New name.
[Name] Submitted as Cera McClanahan. The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, is most interested in the sound "something close to McClanahan".

Cera is found in OCM (2nd ed p. 50 header) as the early form of Ceara perhaps meaning ‘red, bright red’. Cera was one of the wives of Nemed, legendary invader of Ireland according to medieval scholars gave her name to Mag Cera (Carra), Co Mayo.  OCM also tells us Cera was the name of three virgin Saints.

MacClanahan is found in Black (12th printing p. 469 s.n. MACCLANNACHAN).  In Gaelic meaning Mac Gillie Onchon or ‘mighty hound’. M’Clanachan is one spelling “found in old records” as well as about eleven other variations, including M’Clannochane 1544, McClannochane 1546, M’Clanochane 1574 and MacClannachan 1585.
By longstanding precedent, the scribal abbreviation "Mc" must be expanded to "Mac" in SCA names ("Submitted as Hamon McPhersone, precedent requires that the scribal abbreviation Mc be expanded before it can be registered. We have changed the name to Hamon MacPhersone in order to register it." Hamon MacPhersone, 01/08).

We fear that there is a temporal incompatibility in the name.  We recommend that if the name must be changed, the first name be spelled Ceara, the “Modern Irish” form.

Name is approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Christopher Lemynton. New name and device. Sable, a billet argent flames issuant to chief proper between six mullets of six points in pale three and three argent.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and has indicated no other preferences.

Christopher is found in "Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England" by Talen Gwynek    (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/eng13/eng13m.html) as an Anglicized form of "Christofarus"

Lemynton is found in Ekwall (4th ed p. 295 s.n. Lemington). Two entries have similar names. The first listed has period spellings including "Limentone, Lemingtingtune, DB Lemeninton 1221 Ass, Lemynton 1287 QW".

Name and device are approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Diana de Parkhurst. New Device. Per bend sinister azure and purpure, a bend between a dog’s footprint and a dog statant contourney argent.

[Name] Submitted on the Caid 03/01/08 LOI.

[Armory] "Past precedent has ruled that pawprints are a step from period practice..." [Gwentliana filia Iohannes, LoAR 01/2005]

Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Emma Doventhuayte. Laurel resubmission device. Per bend indented azure and argent, a dove rising argent and a rose purpure.

[Name] Registered 04/04.

[Armory] The prior submission Per bend indented azure and argent, a bend dancetty sable between a bird rising wings elevated and addorsed argent and a rose purpure was returned on the 04/04 LoAR, " The sable bend is drawn so thin as to render it indistinguishable from the azure half of the field at any reasonable distance. It is possible, though not guaranteed, that redrawing the bend to be of a proper thickness could make it sufficiently identifiable."

The submitter has removed the questionable ordinary and redrawn the generic bird to be specifically a dove.

Device is approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Eva de Castille. New name.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept minor but not major changes and is most interested in the unspecified sound.

Eva is found in “Feminine Given Names in a Dictionary of English Surnames” (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html) as Latin of Hebrew Origin: vern. is  Eve, dated in this spelling Eva 1284, 1486 (W).  It is also found in Saint Gabriel report #2904 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2904), where the author notes “We found five instances of <Eva> or <Eve> in Picardy in the 13th century, and one instance each from the 14th and 15th centuries.”

de Castille is a locative byname using the French form of the Kingdom known as Castilla included in the St Gabriel report #2079 and 2382 (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2079 and 2382).  Dauzat (page 93) also lists the name in this spelling as originating from Languedoc “n. d’anc. immigré” (ancient name of immigrants), with the note that it refers to someone who is from Castille.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Fabian Samuel. New name.

[Name] Submitter will accept minor but not major changes.  No other preferences are indicated.

Fabian is found in Bardsley (pg. 279, header) as a Baptismal name “son of Fabian”, listing Fabyan Wythers 1552, and a brother and sister who died in 1593 of the plague Roberte Fabyan and Anne Fabian. This spelling also appears as a surname in R&W (pg. 160, header), noting  “Willelmus filius Fabiani , identical to William Fabian 1220 Cur (Ess)”

Samuel is found in R&W (pg. 391, header) meaning “son of Samuel”, with the note that not all holders of this surname are Jewish. Adolfus Samuel c1160 DC (L).

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Giovanna Ricci. New device. Or, a griffin segreant gules sustaining a needle palewise sable threaded gules.

[Name] Submitted on the 07/31/08 Caidan LoI.

[Armory] The prior submission, Or, a Griffin segreant gules sustaining a needle palewise argent threaded gules, was returned by Crescent on 5/18/08 for lack of contrast between the needle and the background.  This submission addresses that issue. There was significant opinion at the meeting that the needle/thread were sustained, and therefore worth a CD.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Katrina of Esingetun. New name.

[Name] The submitter will accept minor but not major changes.  No other preferences are indicated.

Katrina is found in Talen Gwynek’s “A List of Feminine Personal Names Found in Scottish Records” under the header Katherine.  Katrina is dated to 1548 [Drumbreck, 222].

Esingetun is found in Ekwall (pg. 169, s.n. Essington), dated to 996.  Esenington is dated to 1227. The submitted spelling seems to be a reasonable variant. The more than 300 year temporal disparity is one step from period practice. Scottish/English names are registerable without an additional step from period practice. (Michael Duncan of Hadley 04/04)

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Parlan of Ord. New name and device. Pean, on a cauldron argent two dolphins respectant sable.

[Name] Submitted as Farlan of Glenn Ord. The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept all changes and if changes must be made, he is most interested in the unspecified sound.

Farlan is found in R&W (pg. 291, s.n. MacFarlan) from Black Gael MacPharlain 'son of Parlan', and in Black (pg. 492, s.n. MacFarlan).  Black lists dated surname spellings for Malcolm Mcpharlane 1385 and Duncan filius Malcolm Makfarlane, also Andrew M’Farlane of Aracher 1577.  The Gaelic Pharthalán is found as a given name in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan’s “Index of Names in Irish Annals.” (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Parthalan.shtml). We changed the initial letter after communicating with the submitter about the unregisterability of using a surname as a given name.

Glenn is found in Black (pg. 312, s.n. Glen, Glenn) as a locative surname from the lands of Glen – del Glen 1328, Thomas of the Glen 1422.

Ord is found in Black (pg. 639, header) as a locative surname – two places from Ord (Orde or Horde), later Kirkurd in Peebleshire or from the lands of Ord in Banffshire.  Black lists a Walter Ord in Banff 1598.  The old family of the name exchanged the lands of Ord for Finachty c. 1590.

Unfortunately this is a double locative surname.  Per the submitter’s instructions, we are dropping the second term Glenn and retaining the third element Ord.  We ask the Colleges's aid if the full submitted surname can be documented,.
[Armory] As drawn, the tertiary charges are not identifiable as heraldic dolphins. This is reason for return.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.


Tegus Brojigin. New name and device. Per chevron vert and argent, in fess three card piques argent and a crow sable.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept all changes, and if changes must be made is most interested in the unspecified sound.

Tegus is from the SCA Mongol name article (http:www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/Mongol.html) which lists Tegus as a common name element from Primary Sources glossed as “perfect”.

Borjigin is found in an article by Marta as tu mika-mysliwy titled “Mongolian Naming Practices” (KWHS 1990 Proceedings). We also found Borjigid in the article “In Search of Sacred Names” from Mongolia Today.  (http://www.mongoliatoday.com/issue/5/names.html) which indicates this is the imperial clan name of Ghengis Khan and his successors.  Borjigin is a common surname in Mongolia today as noted in a quaint article referring to a tailor with just a given name choosing Borjigin because "everyone wants (to)… have some connection to Genghis Khan.".(http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040612/MONGOLIA)  .  Additionally, Borjigin is listed on "Borjigin – Wikipedia" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borjigin) which cites the Mongolia Today documentation.  It also seems to indicate that the 'n' ending is used as a name element while Borjigit or Borjigid are used for designating the entire clan.

None of the heralds present are knowledgeable of Mongolian naming practices.  The name appears to follow the forms laid out in the two articles we have access to.  We request the Colleges’ assistance on this name.

[Armory] The submitter is advised to make the angle of the per chevron field division steeper.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Ualter Defenascir. New name.

[Name] No preferences are indicated.

Ualter is found as a Gaelic version of Walter after 1066 in the St. Gabriels report #1365 (originally from OCM) (see http://www.s-gabriel.org/1365) after the Norman settlement of Ireland, Walter was adopted into Gaelic as <Uate/r>.  The name also appeared as <Ualte/r>.

Defenascir is found in Ekwall (pg. 143, s.n. Devon) dated to 851.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Cressida MacGregor. New name and device. Argent, a tower sable in chief three crescents and a bordure embattled azure.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, and will accept minor but not major changes.  No other preferences are indicated.

Cressida is found in Withycombe (pg. 75, header) as a character in Shakespeare’s 1602 Troilus and Cressida and a poem Troilus and Criseyde by Geoffrey Chaucer in 1386.  Withycombe notes that it is a byname for faithlessness (the submitter has been made aware of the meaning and wants this name).

MacGregor is found in Black (pg. 505, header). The name Macgregor was proscribed in 1603 by Act of Parliament.

We note that none of the heralds present would voluntarily choose this name for themselves… We confirmed via email with the submitter's mother, Mary Dedwydd verch Gwallter (Bellows Pursuivant, the submitter is 10), that the submitter is aware of the implications of this name and truly desires it.  A copy of this email is attached to Laurel's copy.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Helgi Gunnarsson. New name and device. Per chevron Or and gules, three deer hoof prints and two axes in saltire counterchanged.

[Name] Submitted as Helgi Gunnarrsson. The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept minor but not major changes, and is most interested in the Norse language/culture.

Helgi is found in Geirr Bassi (pg. 11)

Gunnarsson is a patronymic derived from the given name Gunnar in Geirr Bassi (pg. 10), using the instructions from page 17. We have dropped the second 'r' to match these directions.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Kazdoia Davydova. New name and device. Per chevron Or and azure, a tower counterchanged charged in base with an escallop gules.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept all changes, and if changes must be made is most interested in the Russian language/culture.

Kazdoia is found in Wickenden (pg. 134, header) “f. 14th C. meaning martyr”.

Davydova is a Russian feminine patronymic, found in Wickenden (pg. 62, s.n. David) dated 1375, meaning daughter of David.

[Armory] (Notes to submitter) We recommend the submitter draw the per chevron line of division steeper and higher, and the tower should be taller.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Ránulfr Þorfinnsson. Laurel resub device. Vert, a horse’s head couped contourny and on a point pointed argent a flame gules, and a bordure counterchanged.

[Name] Registered 04/05.

[Armory]  This submitter's previous submission: Vert, a horse courant dismembered argent, between two axes in chevron blades to center Or and a flame proper was returned on the December 2007 LoAR:

This was pended on the May 2007 LoAR for a discussion of whether or not the arms of Rohan should be protected. The consensus of the College was that those arms, Vert, a horse courant argent, are indeed important enough to protect. For a discussion of this decision, please see under Rohan in the Laurel Acceptances of this LoAR.  As the arms of Rohan are protected, the submitted device must be returned for conflict with them. There is a CD for adding the secondary charges but nothing for dismembering the horse.

This submission is a new design, which avoids the previous conflict. We recommend the submitter draw the bordure wider, and the point pointed smaller.  No conflicts found.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Niese Feyken Otter. Kingdom resubmission device. Per fess azure and vert, on a fess cotised argent two otters in annulo proper.

[Name] Registered 02/08

[Armory] The prior submission without the cotises was returned by Crescent on 04/05/08 for conflict with Per fess vert and azure, a fess argent (Sierra Leone, Important non-SCA armory). Reversing the field tinctures adds the necessary CD in addition to the addition of tertiary charges.

The submitter is advised to draw both the cotises and the space between the cotises and the fess wider.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Yamina al-Zahra’ bint Hatim. Change of holding name.

[Name] Submitted as Yamina al-Zahara’ bint Hatim. The submitter will accept minor but not major changes.  No other preferences are indicated. This is a change of holding name from Amina of Gyldenholt, registered 10/07.

Yamina is listed in Juliana de Luna’s "Andalusian Names: Arabs in Spain" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/andalusia/#Womens.html).

al-Zahra’ is also listed in the same source under ‘Other women’s bynames’, meaning radiant. We have dropped the additional "a" in this name to match the documented transliteration.

bint Hatim, also in the same source, means ‘daughter of Hatim’, with Hatim found at least twice in “Estudios Onomastico-Biograficos de al-Andalus”.  All name elements are from approximately 700-1200 AD.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Lyondemere, Barony of

Lyondemere, Barony of. New order name, Sandpiper of Lyondemere, Order of the.and Laurel resubmission badge,  Barry wavy vert and argent, on a sandpiper Or an escallop vert.

[Name] Barony of Lyondemere was registered 01/80. These two items are to be associated.

Sandpiper is found in the OED dated to the late 17th C (1675).  No evidence was provided and none found for its usage within period.  The English name for this bird is “curlew”, dated to the 1300’s, and the College recommends changing the name of the order to the period name.

of Lyondemere has been added to provide difference from Sandpiper, Award of the (registered to Marinus, Barony of, 03/92). The submitter provides a letter of permission to conflict from Marinus, which, barring other problems, would provide sufficient to register this name.

Additionally, the construction of this name itself seems plausible for a period order of chivalry.

According "Registering an Order Name in the SCA", orders may be named "for heraldic charges or for items that, while not found in period as heraldic charges, may be used as heraldic charges."  (http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/registerorder.html )

Also "Project Ordensnamen" notes "Thing + Place" is a "Frequently Used Pattern" for order names.

(http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/ , the construction)

[Armory] The submitter's previous badge submission, Barry wavy vert and argent, a sandpiper close Or was returned by Laurel 12/07 for conflict with "the device of John of Ravenwolf, Sable, a raven speaking Or, beaked and membered argent; the badge of Falan Bitor, Gules ermined argent, a duck naiant Or; and the device of Sabine de Provence, Quarterly azure and ermine, a hen close Or. In each case, there is a CD for changes to the field but nothing for the type of bird." The addition of the tertiary escallop provides the necessary second CD.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel . NOTE: this badge was withdrawn by the submitter on 9/28/08 and will not be included in the LoI.


Starkhafn, Barony of

Johann von Magdeburg. Laurel resubmission device. Per pale sable and argent, three goblets counterchanged.

[Name] Registered 05/01

[Armory] The prior submission, Sable, in canton a goblet and a gore sinister argent, was returned by Laurel 12/07:

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Frederic Badger, Sable, a chalice within an orle argent. There is a CD for changing the peripheral ordinary from an orle to a gore. In returning Sable, in chief a dragon couchant Or and a gore Or papellony gules (Miklos Temesvari, October 2006) for conflict with Sable, a dragon dormant Or, it was ruled:

There is a CD for adding the gore; however, the gore forces the dragon to move and thus there is not a CD for the position of the dragon. RfS X.4.g states “Changing the relative position of charges in any group placed directly on the field or overall is one clear difference, provided that the change is not caused by other changes in the design.” Adding the gore forces the dragon to move, thus its location cannot grant CD.

In the same manner, there is not a CD for the forced move of the goblet in the submitted device and, thus, this must be returned for conflict.

This is a complete redesign, but we do not have proper forms for this submission, so we cannot approve it.

Device withdrawn.


Shawn de Wynter. New name and device. Azure, a lion reguardant and on a chief argent, three crosses clechy sable.

[Name] the submitter will accept minor but not major changes. No other preferences are indicated.

Shawn St. Gabriel’s report #2659 indicates this “uses the usual rules of English spelling to represent the sounds of an Irish Gaelic name” with the report #2438 indicating the name was commonly found in the mid 1300’s. (http://www.s-gabriel.org/2659, http://www.s-gabriel.org/2438). Unfortunately, this seems to be a pronunciation guide rather than an actual name. This name is also the submitter’s first name, and he provided a photocopy of a California Driver’s License as documentation.  Application of the Legal Name Allowance is one step from period practice.

Wynter is found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael’s “Names found in the Berkeley Hundred Court Rolls” Thomas Wynter  (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/berkeley100.html).  Wynter is also dated to 1470 (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/brasses/lastnameTZ.html#W). St Gabriel’s report #1315 indicates, "We find Winter between 1250 and 1400 in the Low Countries" and suggests that the combination with the preposition ‘de’ would be Dutch (http://www.s-gabriel.org/1315)

Names documented using the Legal Name Allowance are considered "language neutral". Thus, there is not a second step from period practice for lingual mix.

[Armory] No conflicts found.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Order of Precedence Notes

None.


Bibliography

Aryanhwy merch Catmael.,  "Names found in the Berkeley Hundred Court Roll” http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/berkeley100.html.

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Wickenden of Thanet, Paul., "A Dictionary of Period Russian Names". Mountain View, CA: SCA Inc. – Free Trumpet Press West, 3rd ed. 2001

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