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Minutes of the May 6, 2007 College of Heralds Meeting

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[Note: These submissions appear on the Oct 07 LoAR]

Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.

In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Catherine de Winter, Cassandre Nicole Loustaunau, Maela Caimbeul, Thomas Quatrefoil, Marion Coral, John ap Griffin, Vivienne Recorder, Rotherick Kyneth, Eridana Trident, Damien Sable Fret, Medb Renata Scribe Armarius, Catrin ferch Dafydd, Tareyn Martin, and Hrorek Chevron

Today is 5/6/7, and Su's birthday

Upcoming meetings are: June 24, 2007, July 8, 2007, August 26, 2007 and September 23, 2007.

Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the June 29, 2007 Letter of Intent.

Altavia, Barony of

Altavia, Barony of. New badge. Vert, in saltire a sword and an arrow inverted argent fretted with a mascle of four gauntlets aversant Or.

[Name] Registered 04/82. The form indicates this is to be associated with the Guardians of the High Road, but the name was not submitted with this badge and is not previously registered.

[Armory] There was some discussion about the identifiability of the gauntlets. We decline at this time to rule upon whether this difficulty is reason for return. The fretting of these charges creates a single primary charge group consisting of three different types of charges. This must be returned for having three different objects in the same charge group. (RfS VIII.1.a)

As an administrative note, a petition of support and a financial transfer form were also missing. Upon resubmission, please provide these documents.

Badge returned for lack of armorial simplicity.

Ivegard Sask. Laurel resubmission device. Per pale azure and vert, a horse salient between three mullets of four points argent.

[Name] Registered 12/04, via Middle.

[Armory] The submitter's previous design, submitted via the Middle Kingdom, was returned by Laurel 12/04 stating, "The posture of the horses is obtrusively modern..." This horse is drawn in a reasonably heraldic fashion. As greater than one year has elapsed since the previous return, a new submission fee is required and was collected by the Caidan College.

This is close to, but clear of Azure, a horse courant reguardant between three mullets argent. (Fjorleif in Haga, 03/95). There is one Clear Difference for change in field tincture (Rules for Submission X.4). Mullets of four points are significantly different from default mullets of five points such that a second CD is given via X.4.e for change in type of secondary charges. No difference is given for these changes in posture of the horse.

Unfortunately, this must be returned for non-identifiability of the secondary charges. RfS VIII.3 states, "Identifiable elements may be rendered unidentifiable by significant reduction in size..." We recommend the mullets be drawn slightly larger, but not so large as to have equal visual weight to the horse (which would cause them to become co-primaries). We also recommend that the horse's position be more diagonal. Currently, the position is somewhere between statant and salient.

Device returned for redraw.

Meadhbh inghean ui Maiol Ruanaidh. New name and device. Quarterly gules and sable, a Donnelly knot and in sinister chief a rose argent.

[Name] Submitted as: Maeve inghean ui Maoil Ruanaidh The submitter desires a feminine name. She will accept all changes, and if changes must be made she cares most the meaning: "Maeve, daughter of Mulroony'.

Meadhbh is an early Modern Irish spelling, according to OCM and the submitter’s documentation.

inghean ui Maiol Ruanaidh, "daughter of Mulroony" This uses a modern Irish Gaelic genitive form MacLysaght (p.228, s.n. (O) Mulroy, Mulry Ơ Maolruanaidh). "A once powerful sept subjugated by the Maguires; in Fermanagh the name is still found in small numbers. In Co. Galway it has been changed to Moroney."

It is not entirely clear to us exactly what name is desired (two names are documented) or what period the submitter is interested in. Therefore, we are returning this for more work, specifically so that the submitter can be consulted and clarify her wishes (RfS III.2 "Every name as a whole should be compatible with the culture of a single time and place.").

[Armory] According to precedent, "effectively with the February 1997 Laurel meeting, Donnelly knots will no longer acceptable for registration in SCA heraldry." (Edana O’Donnelly, 09/96) This is because the knot is an artistic motif not found in period heraldry. Generally "Irish knotwork" is no longer registerable in SCA armory (RfS VIII.4.b).

Name returned for consultation. Device returned for non-period style and lack of a name.

Robyn FitzOsbern. Kingdom resubmission device. Sable, on a bezant an ounce's head erased sable within an orle embattled at the outer edges Or.

[Name] Submitter's name was forwarded on the January 24, 2007 Letter of Intent.

[Armory] Submitter's previous submission, Sable, a panther's head erased within an annulet within an orle Or was returned by Crescent 03/07 for redraw, particularly that the orle was insufficiently thick and the SCA does not register single diminutives of ordinaries. This redesign has eliminated the previous issues.

While the submitter blazoned this as "a panther's head", the college has changed it to an ounce, in accordance with the instructions in the November 2006 LOAR.

This could also be blazoned as Sable, on a bezant an ounce's head erased sable within a border parted bordurewise embattled sable and Or (similar to Heinricus vom Eichenhain, 12/01, "Argent, [charges] within a bordure parted bordurewise indented argent and sable")

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Robyn FitzOsbern. New badge. Per bend sinister sable and Or, an ounce rampant within a bordure embattled all counterchanged.

[Name] Submitter's name was forwarded on the January 24, 2007 Letter of Intent

[Armory] This was submitted as "a panther", this college has changed it to an ounce in keeping with the November 2006 LOAR.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Secca of Venice. New name and device. Per bend azure and vert, a griffin between three roundels Or.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will allow all changes and if changes must be made he cares most about the spelling, "Secca".

Secca is found in Searle (p.413, header), listed as a nomen viri. The submitter provided further documentation of its use as a Goth name, approximately 7th C, with an excerpt from an Old English poem "Widsith" (original poem is ~7th C. and is preserved in the Exeter Book, a 10th C. collection of Old English poetry

18 ætla weold Hunum, Eormanric Gotum,
  Becca Baningum, Burgendum Gifica.
20 Caesere weold Cracum ond Cælic Finnum,
  ðonan ic ealne geondhwearf eþel Gotena,
110 sohte ic a gesiþa þa selestan;
  þæt wæs innweorud Earmanrices.
  frodne ond godne fæder Unwenes.
115 Seccan sohte ic ond Beccan, Seafolan ond þeodric,
  Heaþoric ond Sifecan, Hliþe ond Incgenþeow.

The translation of these lines can be found at (new link needed).

18 Attila ruled the Huns, Eormanric the Goths,
  Becca the Banings, the Burgundians by Gifica.
20 Casere ruled the Creeks and Caelic the Finns,
  After that I passed through the entire realm of the Goths,
110 seeking I companions that were of the best variety;
  such was the household of Eormanric.
  Hethca sought I and Beadeca and the Herelings,
  Emerca sought I and Fridla and the East Gotans,
  wise and good, the father of Unwen.
115 Secca sought I and Becca, Seafola and Theodric,
  Heathoric and Sifeca Hlithe and Incgentheow.

In line 115, the name Secca appears as "Seccan" because it is in the dative case. You can see that Becca also appears as "Beccan" in line 115, but it is in its subjective case in line 19.

of Venice: from Venice, a city in Italy. According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, "... Venice came into being after the fall of the Roman Empire in the West. The Lombard hordes, whose incursions into northern Italy began in AD 568, drove great numbers of mainlanders onto the islands of the lagoon, previously the homes of itinerant fishermen and salt workers."

Since the Goths had regular contact with the Italians, we believe this is a reasonably constructed name.

[Device] No conflicts found. Unfortunately, this must be returned for redraw. The Or is too orange and the azure too close to purple. (Administrative Handbook VI.C.1 "Pastel or neon colors are inappropriate for colored armory forms. However the forms are colored, the submission may be returned if the tinctures are not recognizably heraldic tinctures.")

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.

Angels, Barony of the

Niccolo Genovese. New name change and new device. Sable, three bezants one and two Or and a trimount argent.

[Name] The submitter's current primary name, Jahan Isfahani was registered 09/91. If this new name is registered, he wishes to retain the old name as an alternate (The submitter marked both the Name Type: Alternate and Action Type: Change boxes. When Crescent pointed out this discrepancy, he indicated that he was confused by the form, and that he does intend Niccolo to be his primary name and Jahan to be an alternate).

The submitter is interested in a masculine name, will accept all changes, and if changes must be made, cares most about the unspecified sound and prefers the given name "Niccolo".

Niccolo is found in De Felice, Dei Nomi (p.277ff, s.n. Nicola). "Amiamente eiffuso per Nicola e gli alterati in tuta l'Italia, ma piu nel Sud e soprattutto in Puglia, presenta invece una distribuzione diversa nelle varie alter forme: sono por della Toscana Nicolo, Niccola, Niccolo e Niccoloe" (found throughout as Nicola and having alternates in all of Italy, more so in the South,.. in many diverse forms, as in Tuscany Nicolo, Niccola, Niccolo …)

Genovese is found in De Felice Dei Cognomi (p. 134, s.n. Genova). "Varianti: Genua. Derivati: Genovese e Genovesi, Genovese, ..Raro e sporadico nel Centro-Nord, ma molto frequente nel Sud," (Variant: Genua, Derivatives: Genovese, Genovesi, Genovese… Rare and sporadically (found) in the Central North, but more frequently in the South.)

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Caid, Kingdom of

Mæva Svansdóttir. New name.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor though not major changes. If changes must be made, she cares most about the unspecified language and/or culture. The forms indicate this is a name change for Maeve Bandruid. We see no prior registration of this name, so we are treating this as a new name submission.

Mæva is a feminine given name found in Gierr Bassi p.13.

Svansdóttir is daughter of Svanr, a masculine given name found in Gierr Bassi p.15. The patronymic construction follows the pattern of Grímr → Grimsson/Grímsdóttir found in Gierr Bassi p.17.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Calafia, Barony of

Marcus Artorius Metellus. Kingdom resubmission name and device. Gules, on a pale between two lions combatant argent in pale a dagger and a dagger inverted sable.

[Name] Submitter's form specifies no changes, but an email to the consulting herald (included) specifically allows the change to Metelli. His previous submission, Marcus Artorius Manennia was returned by Crescent 04/07 for lack of documentation.

This name is a reasonably-constructed "Tria Tomina" Roman name as described in "Names and Naming Practices of Regal and Republican Rome" by Meradudd Cethin ( On this webpage, we found Marcus on the prænomen link, and Metellus on the cognomen link.

Artorius is found on’s website, which states "Artorius, the latin form of Arthur, is also a nomen, e.g.: L. (Lucius) Artorius Castus. He was the 2nd century Dalmatian commander who was stationed in Britain and commanded auxiliary troops."

[Device] No conflicts found.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Daniel von Ravensfeld. New name.

[Name] Submitted as Daniel von Ravensfeuld. The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and specifically allows the spelling "Ravensfeld" if necessary to register the name.

Daniel is from Bahlow (p.75, s.n. Daniel) "the Prophet (Hebrew ‘God is my judge’), in [Hamburg] as early as 1268..." Danielis (son of Daniel).

von Ravensfeld is a constructed byname meaning the raven's field. Bahlow lists Raven (p.441, s.n. Raven) LGer. Meaning 'raven' or old person. 'Feld' also in Bahlow (pg.130, s.n. Feld), meaning "field". Documented as a single name element in 1345, 1280 and 1390. We find no evidence of the spelling "-feuld", so have changed the name per the submitter's instructions.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.

Frederich von Baden. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will not allow major changes.

Frederick is found in Bahlow (p.130, s.n. Fried(e)rich) L Ger. for Fried(e)rich(s).

von Baden is from Baden, a former state in SW Germany according to CLG, page 137. It is undated in this source.

The Encyclopedia Britannica has a short article on Baden where it states:

The name (meaning "baths") refers to the warm mineral springs, particularly in the town of Baden-Baden, valued since Roman times. Baden first became a political unit in 1112. Split up many times, the territory was finally reunited under Charles Frederick in 1771. A centre of 19th-century liberalism, it was active in the revolutions of 1848–50. It joined the German Empire in 1871 and became part of the Weimar Republic in 1919. After World War II, Baden was incorporated into West Germany as part of Baden-Württemberg state.

It clearly shows that Baden existed in period, but it also attaches the name of Frederick as a ruler of the state. In addition to this individual, we found several other Frederick’s as dukes of the territory in Webster’s Biographical Dictionary (pg. 554, s.n. Frederick), though these do not appear to have their own entry in the Encyclopedia Brittanica. According to precedent, this must be returned for presumption (RfS VI.1):

Traditionally, we protect the names of rulers (though not necessarily their consorts) whether or not they have entries in an encyclopedia. Tsar and Grand Prince Ivan Vasilevich, Lord of All Russia (Ivan "the Terrible") ruled from 1547 to 1584. From 1605-1606 a man claiming to be Ivan's son Dmitrii ruled. In modern reference material, he is referred to as the "First False Dmitrii". Webster's Biographical Dictionary (p. 406) lists Ivan's real son as Dmitri Ivanovich. As such, it is logical that the First False Dmitrii ruled as Dmitri Ivanovitch. Therefore, this submission is in conflict with a historical ruler and must be returned. [Dmitrii Ivanovich, 09/01, R-An Tir]

The following precedent is worthy of note as well:

[<name> Lietuvos, meaning <name> the Lithuanian] While prior Laurel precedent has returned the form '{Name} the {Nationality}', we do not find this presumptuous of the ruler of the country in the same way or to the same degree that, say, '{Name} of {Nation}' would. Hence, we do not find that this name conflicts with <name>, King of Lithuania. (LoAR 12/91 p.12).

<Given Name> the Breton should no more conflict with <same Given Name>, Duke of Brittany, than Richard the Englishman would with Richard, King of England. (LoAR 10/90 p.2)

Thus the submitter might consider changing the name from "von Baden" (of Baden) to "der Badenman" (the man from Baden) or "der Badener" (the resident of Baden), which should not be presumptuous.

Name returned for presumption.

Geneviève la Douce. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She allows no major changes, and if changes must be made she cares most about the unspecified sound. She specifically requests the "correct de, la, le to mean 'the sweet'".

Geneviève is found in Douzat des Noms & Prenoms de France (p.286, header) as a feminine given name. Genevote is dated to 1292. The name Geneviève la Flamenge is in Colm Dubh’s "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" (

Douce is also found in Dauzat (p.209, header), which lists many variants. The author states: that the name is a matronym derived from the adjective doux, similar to the construction of the surname Bonne. R&W (p.139, header) lists the name meaning "sweet". Period spellings as a surname include; Hugo Duce, le Dulcis 1200, Geoffery Duz 1200, Gilbert le Dus 1296, Godfrey le Douz 1296, Walter Douce 1379, etc. As a given name Douce de Moster 1274 and Douce of Chedle 1307 are listed. The addition of the particle 'la' changes the name from 'sweet' to 'the sweet' per the submitter's request.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Darach, Shire of

Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme. Change of badge. (Fieldless) A pillar sundial argent.

[Name] The submitter's name was registered 10/81.

[Armory] From the submitter:

This would be the defining instance of a sundial in Society armory. The form of sundial submitted is variously known as a "pillar sundial", "cylinder sundial", or "shepherd's sundial". It was chosen for two reasons:

First, the pillar sundial is found throughout period. A simple pillar sundial, dating from the 1st C., was excavated in Italy in the late 19th C., but was not identified as such until 1984 [Higton 14]. The pillar dial was described by Hermann of Reichenau, or Hermannus Contractus ("the Lame"), d.1054; its invention had been attributed to him until the identification of the Roman artifact [Cousins, fig 74]. Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, c.1380, makes reference to a "chilindre" (cylinder) for telling time of day. An ivory pillar dial was sold in Nuremberg, 1455 [Gouk 28]. And the famous painting "The Ambassadors", done by Hans Holbein the Younger in 1533, shows a variety of sundials, including a pillar dial [Bruton 59, with a close-up in Cousins, fig.75]. The sundial in Holbein's painting was the model for the current emblazon.

From Roman times to the end of our period, then, the pillar or cylinder dial would have been known and recognized. (Sources cited: Eric Bruton, The History of Clocks and Watches; Frank Cousins, Sundials: the Art and Science of Gnomonics; Penelope Gouk, The Ivory Sundials of Nuremberg, 1500-1700; Hester Higton, Sundials: An Illustrated History of Portable Dials.)

Second, the pillar sundial has a recognizable and reproducible form. A previous submission of a sundial in Society armory (Siobhan ni Riain of Brielle, Oct 91) used a horizontal dial with a triangular pole-pointing gnomon – the type found in many modern gardens. It was returned, among other reasons, for its lack of recognizability. This is inherent when trying to use a horizontal dial as a charge: when seen in side-view, it doesn't look like much of anything, and the only way to draw it recognizably is to draw it in trian aspect, which is contrary to most heraldic artistic tenets.

Given these facts, we suggest that this form of sundial be accepted as the standard heraldic sundial for the Society. The sundial was not, so far as can be found, used in period armory.

If this is registered, the submitter wishes to release his current badge, (Fieldless) A black-haired demi-maiden proper, vested per pale and chevronelly argent and azure, maintaining above her head a strung bow Or (registered 06/93).

The submitter requested that this be blazoned as: (Fieldless) A sundial argent. Everywhere in the submitter’s documentation, this artifact is referred to as a "pillar sundial", "pillar dial", "cylinder dial". We believe that changing the blazon to "pillar sundial" better matches the documentation and will be helpful for scribes attempting to draw this armory from blazon alone (they should be less tempted to draw a "garden variety" sundial). An online detail from 'The Ambassadors' can be found at, with "The Ambassadors" in the title field.

This is clear of Barry wavy azure and Or, a Doric column argent (Barony of the Bridge, for Order of the Pillar, 03/84). There is a CD for removal of the field. We believe the addition of the protruding arm of the pillar dial is significant enough to warrant a CD according to RfS X.4.e.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Mary Taran of Glastonbury and Æduin of Skye. New badge. Per fess wavy argent and barry wavy azure and argent, in chief a Norse sun-cross sable.

[Name] Mary Taran of Glastonbury was registered 01/74. Æduin of Skye was registered 04/02. This form indicates that it is intended for House Morien, though no name form for this household was submitted, nor is one on file. This may be forwarded though, without specific attribution.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Roesia de Grey. New name and device. Vert, a badger rampant Or maintaining a rose argent slipped and leaved sable.

[Name] The submitter indicated no preferences other than wishes to keep some form of "Rose" and some form of "Grey" in the name.

Roesia is a feminine given name, found in R&W (p.428, s.n. Stock): Roesia atte Stocke, 1275.

de Grey is a toponymic byname, "of (a town called) Gray", found in Bardsley's Dictionary of Welsh and English Surnames, (p.334, s.n. Gray): Eva de Grey, 1273.

[Device] The device is a cant: "gray" is another blazonry term for a badger (Parker 33).

This is clear of Vert, a raccoon rampant proper [Procyon lotor] (Thorvald Gundaarsson, 07/82). There should be at least a CD via RfS X.4.e for change in type of primary charge. We checked the emblazon of Thorvald's raccoon and it is a clearly brown shade. By precedent, "Current policy appears to be a tacit assumption that a brown animal or object proper is given tincture difference from any standard heraldic tincture, as long as the particular shade of brown is drawn so that it is not too close to a standard heraldic tincture." [Áedán of Windhaven, 08/01, A-Middle]

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Mary Dedwydd verch Gwallter. Laurel resubmission device. Quarterly gules and argent, an escallop counterchanged.

[Name] Submitter's name was registered 11/00.

[Armory] In 01/06 Laurel returned her design Vert estencelly, on a pile throughout argent a brunette mermaid proper maintaining in each hand an escallop inverted vert. In 10/06 Crescent returned her resubmission Vert estencilly on a pile throughout Or a brunette mermaid proper maintaining in each hand an escallop inverted vert for conflict with Vert, on a pile between in pile seven cups Or, a mermaid erect affronty maintaining in her dexter hand a wine bottle and in her sinister hand a tray bearing three cups vert (Christianna MacGrain, 07/84); and also redrawing, 'The sparks are extremely difficult to make out, especially on the colored emblazon. Please draw the individual dots of the sparks larger and the whole charge more distinct. (RfS VIII.3)'

This new resubmission is a complete redesign. (Very classy armory. -- Dolphin)

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Galavalley, Canton of

Sofia Beornsdotter. New name and device. Ermine, on a bend between two hearts purpure three hearts palewise argent.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept all changes, and if changes must be made is most interested in the unspecified language/culture.

Sofia. According to the submitter, the Greek feminine name Sophia was spelled as Sofia in Scandinavia (no documentation provided). It is the submitter's mundane name, though this is also not documented by a copy of appropriate ID.

Beornsdotter is intended to mean "daughter of Beorn". Beorn of the Northern Sea (registered 02/95) is the submitter's natural father, though no documentation was provided to support this relationship. Beorn is found in Searle, pg. 99, though we do not have documentation of the addition of "-dotter" in Anglo Saxon. We also note that Bj{o,}rnsdottír is documentable in Old Norse.

The name is returned for lack of documentation of its construction. (RfS II.2 and II.4, and AH IV.C.2)

[Armory] This is clear of Ermine on a bend purpure four mullets of four points palewise Or. (Michael of Middleford, 01/98) with one CD via RfS X.4.b for addition of the secondary hearts and another via X.4.j for change in type and tincture of tertiary charges. However, this must be returned for lack of a primary name. (AH II.A.1)

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of a name.

Isles, Shire of

Freygunnr Úlfarsdóttir. New name and device. Per pale sable and argent, two bulls passant respectant counterchanged.

[Name] Submitted as Freygunnr Úlfarsdottir, the submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept all changes, and if changes must be made she cares most about the language and/or culture, "Old Norse".

Freygunnr. Found on Upland Rune Inscription on a stone currently in Stockholm. See webpage for a picture of the stone and its translation, "Þorsteinn and Freygunnr, they ... stone in memory of ... their son". See webpage for a transcription of another stone featuring this name. (However, no copy of this page was provided and 'membership' is required to view the pages). In Norse, this is given as "kuþfastr aok þorontr litu rita sten eftiR faþur sin hals ok frykuþr yftiR bonta sin þorþr hiak runar þisar ual" with a translation "Gudhfastr and Thróndr had the stone erected in memory of their father Hals; and Freygunnr in memory of her husbandman. Thórdhr cut these runes well."

This appears to be the standard Latinized spelling of the name, but we note that all of the sources show the original Norse spellings with a "k" instead of a "g", and several end in thorn "þ" instead of "n".

Úlfarsdóttir is daughter of Ulfarr. According to the submitter, this "is found 4 or 5 times in the Landnambook." We found it in Geirr Bassi (p.15, s.n. Ulfarr). In forming the patronymic, one of the "r"s is dropped per Geirr Bassi’s instructions on pg. 15-17, e.g. "Geirr" → Geirsdóttir. We have added the appropriate accent to the patronymic to make the entire word consistent.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Malkyn Sharowe. New name and device. Per bend sinister embattled argent and sable, in canton a cinquefoil and on a bordure gules three cinquefoils argent.

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She will allow all changes and if changes must be made she cares most about the spelling.

Malkyn is documented from Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" ( listed under "Mary" and dated to 1297. Malkyn is also found in Withycombe p. 211ff, s.n. Mary: Malkyn Coventry Mysteries, 15th cent.

Sharowe is a surname documented from "Surnames in 15th Century York" by Karen Larsdatter ( which lists Sharow and Sharowe.. R&W (p.404, s.n. Sharroh, Sharrow) includes Robert Sharrowe dtd to 1642.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Lyondemere, Barony of

Eva filia Edeneweyn. New name.

[Name] Submitter will accept minor but not major changes and if changes must be made, she cares most about the unspecified sound.

Eva is a Welsh given feminine name, found in "Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( and "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" by the same author ( It is also found in Withycombe (p.112, header), dated from the Curia Rolls to 1199.

filia Edeneweyn means "daughter of Edeneweyn" with the Latin form of the patronymic marker. Edeneweyn is a masculine Welsh given name found in the "Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" (

Regarding the construction, the same article states:

For the most common type of byname -- one indicating relationship -- the name is set up as follows: <given name> <relationship word> <relative's given name> ... Daughter – In this document [The Merioneth Lay Subsidy Roll of 1292-3], Latin filia is the only word found for this, although Welsh verch can be found in documents of a similar period.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Naevehjem, Barony of

Ymanya Bartelot. New name and device. Or, a popinjay gules beaked, winged and tailed argent.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes.

Ymanya is a feminine given name found in Bardsley (p.273, s.n. Emeny) "Bapt, 'the son of Imayne' (not in Miss Younge's Glossary). Once a popular Girl's name, now passed into oblivion" with Ymanya de Thuyt, 1273.

Bartelot is a surname found in R&W (p.30, s.n. Bartlet) with Thomas Bartelot, 1294, also commenting that this is a double diminuative of Braat-, Bert, from Bartelmew, Bertelmew (Bartholomew).

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel

Ymanya Bartelot. New badge. (Fieldless) A popinjay gules beaked, winged and tailed argent.

[Name] Appears above.

[Armory] Will conflict with device, submitted above. Permission to conflict with oneself is assumed.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Order of Precedence Notes

Maeva Svansdóttir appears in the OP as Maeve Bandruid.


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