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Minutes of the January 21, 2007 College of Heralds
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[Note: These submissions appear on the
Jul 07 LoAR]
Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.
In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent,
Illuminada Silver Trumpet, John ap Griffin, Bruce Batonvert,
Altan Gal exchequer, Maela Caimbeul, Thomas Quatrefoil,
Marion Coral, Damion Sable Fret, Honour Grenehart,
Edborough Kellie, Eridana Dragotta, Annalia Dragotta and
Hrorek Chevron.
Upcoming meetings are: February 11, 2007; March 11, 2007; April 1, 2007;
May 6, 2007; June 24, 2007. The final meeting at which old forms will be
accepted is April 1. After this date, submissions on old forms are subject to
administrative return.
In December 2006 the Honorable Lord Kurt von Arriksleva, Sommelier Pursuivant
emeritus passed away. He had been ill for some time, which kept him away from
this assembly recently. Nonetheless, he was a valued member of the College,
often taking minutes or checking conflict for Jeanne Marie Crescent and being a
good friend to all. We will miss him and wish his family and friends the
best.
KWHSS is looking for volunteers to work on the website, interface with the
hotel, work on merchandising, etc.
The 09/06 LoAR was summarized. The cover letter includes a call for Symposium
2008 bids (it is highly unlikely that Caid will submit one!), a request to
submission heralds to send scans of submission forms in packets, a notice that
OSCAR is up and running and may soon become the only venue for commentary, and
finally a precedent on the default position of three charges above a chevron or
per chevron line of division (in fess, though the practice is discouraged).
Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding
name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the March 21,
2007 Letter of Intent.
Altavia, Barony of
Brangwyne Scrivener de Vitré. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor
but major changes, but notes that she "would consider dropping of
'Scrivener' if it's the only way to pass the rest of the name (but of
course would prefer not to!)." If changes must be made, she cares most
about the unspecified sound. She will NOT allow the creation of a holding
name.
Brangwyne is found on Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in a
Dictionary of English Surnames"
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html).
The source data for this listing is from R&W (p. 61, s.n. Brangwin), with
Adam Brangwyne from the Subsidy Rolls of Suffolk dated to 1283. The
authors explain, "Welsh Branwen, Brangwain (f), from bran
'raven' and (g)wen 'fair'. Branwen, daughter of Llyr, is one of the
legendary heroines of Wales. In the Trisan legend Brangwain the Fair was the
handmaid and companion of Queen Isolde." We also found variants in Morgan
& Morgan (s.n. Brangwyn) and Bardsley (s.n. Brandwin). All of
these sources cite it as a surname only.
Scrivener is an occupational byname found in R&W (p.396, s.n.
Scrivener). Kemma Scriuener is dated to 1311. The meaning (given under the
heading Scriven, same page) is "one who writes and copies books,
manuscripts, etc.; also a clerk."
de Vitré "of Vitré", a town in Brittany found
in Columbia Lippincot Gazeteer of the World (pg. 2041, header). The site has a
14th-15th C. castle known as "Chateau Vitré".
Name withdrawn by submitter.
Virginia Read. New name and device. Per chevron sable and vert, a
chevron rompu and in base a fox rampant Or, detailed argent.
(line drawing)
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, will accept all
changes and if changes must be made, is most interested in the unspecified
sound.
Virginia is found in Withycombe (p.290) dated in this spelling to
1587, as the given name of a girl born in America of English parentage.
Read is found in Bardsley (pg. 639, header) dated in this spelling to
1592, used as a surname which originally meant "the Red".
[Device] We recommend that the submitter draw the chevron steeper and
broader. To do so, it may be required to also draw the fox slightly
smaller.
Name and Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Angels, Barony of the
Catherine de la Torre DiVini. Laurel resubmission name and device.
Per pale purpure and checky Or and purpure on a chevron argent three
golpes.
[Name] The submitter's previous name, "Catherine le Guste" was
returned by Laurel 02/06 for conflict. The submitter is interested in a
feminine name. She will accept no changes.
The submitter claims all these names are in her family and date back to the
1300's. This is insufficient for documentation of a SCA name element.
Catherine is in Withycombe (p186, s.n. Katharine) which notes that the
/h/ is added in the 16th century.
de la Torre is found in R&W (p.451. s.n. Torr) with Martin de
la Torre dated to 1242.
DiVini The submitter provided no documentation for DiVini, nor were we
successful in adding documentation. As dropping this element is contrary to the
submitter's wishes, the name must be returned for lack of documentation of this
element (RfS Article II).
[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Per chevron purpure and checky
purpure and Or, on a chevron argent three ermine spots sable, was returned
by Laurel 04/06 for conflict with Earl of Warwick, Checky Or and azure, a
chevron ermine. (important non-SCA arms). The change from three ermine
spots to three golpes clears this conflict. No additional conflicts were found.
Unfortunately, this armory must be returned for lack of a name (AH II.A.1)
Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of a
name.
Caid, Kingdom of
Caid, Kingdom of. New badge. Azure, a greyhound rampant regardant
collared within a bordure embattled argent.
(line drawing)
[Name] The group name was registered 02/75. This badge is to be associated
with the generic designator "Hounds of Caid Guild". A letter of
support, signed by the crown, kingdom seneschal and Crescent Herald confirms
the kingdom's desire to register this armory.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Calafia, Barony of
Cei Myghchael Wellinton. New badge. (Fieldless) On a hurt a
quatrefoil erminois.
[Name] Submitter's name registered 04/85.
[Armory] If registered, this will be the submitter's fourth piece of armory,
which is acceptable according to AH I.B "Registration Limit" (one
piece of armory, the submitter's original device, was released upon
registration of his current device).
In period, cinquefoils or quatrefoils ermine often had one ermine spot on
each petal and the ermine spots often "radiated" from the center of
the foil, as is the case in this emblazon (though, in period, the ermine tails
would usually be situated towards the outside of each petal).
Fieldless badges may not use, as the sole charged primary charge, any charge,
which is also a standard medium for heraldic display. This includes
escutcheons, lozenges, roundels and billets. Here, the submission blurs the
line between whether it is (Fieldless) On hurt a quatrefoil erminois, or
Azure, a quatrefoil erminois. The change in emblazon shape to a square
on the form does not change this. As before, any fielded armory may be
displayed on any standard field shape, regardless of what shape is on the
submission form. (Fáelán mac Cathail and Alisandre d'Ambrecourt,
05/04, R-Ansteorra)
We note that Azure, a quatrefoil erminois appears to be clear of
conflicts, the submitter might consider submitting this, and, if registered,
display the design on a round field.
Badge returned for poor fieldless style.
Cormac Ó Duinn. Kingdom resubmission device. Per bend
sinister enarched sable and gules, a bend sinister enarched argent papellony
sable.
[Name] Submitter's name was registered 12/05.
[Armory] The submitter's previous submission, Per bend sinister gules and
sable, a bend sinister scaly between two annulets argent was returned by
Crescent 06/05 in part because, "The scales on the bend do not match the
depictions of either scaly or papellony in the PicDict or other heraldic texts.
As drawn, it is not clearly identifiable (RfS VII.7.b)". As greater than
one year has elapsed since the previous return, an additional submission fee is
required.
Here, the scaly/papellony treatment is clearer, though still not ideal. As it
is drawn with a simple, thin pen, it cannot be seen from any appreciable
distance. We are thus returning this again for the submitter to make the
treatment bold enough and even enough to be easily recognized.
We note also that, on a bend, a field treatment typically is rotated to match
the bend (as though the lower side of the bend is the "bottom" of the
treatment and the higher site the "top"), though this is not in
itself reason for return.
The submitter is warned that, if the field treatment is simply removed, the
resulting design would be in conflict with other, registered devices (Lodhver
Ledgrfótr and Cuillean lodbrog Houndstooth). (RfS VIII.3).
Device returned for redraw.
Godfrey of Paxton. New name.
[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. No other choices are
selected.
Godfrey is found in Withycombe (p.136), dated to 1273.
Paxton is found in Ekwall (p.359 s.n. Magna Paxton) dated to 1163.
R&W pg. 342 have Richard de Paxton 1251.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Justin Brekleg. New device. Azure, a bend argent between a sun in
splendor and a lion rampant Or. (line drawing)
[Name] Submitter's name was registered 11/05.
[Armory] We note the potential, visual conflict with Azure, a bend argent
doubly cotissed the interiors of the cotises potent, counter potent Or
(Counts de Champagne, Important Non-SCA arms, 12/94). These designs are
technically clear with one Clear Difference for change in type of secondary
charges and another for change in number of secondary charges. Unfortunately,
each pair of cotises in the arms of Champagne combine such that there appears
to be only two (fancy) cotises, calling into doubt the second CD for number.
For an emblazon of Champagne, see Neubecker, Heraldry: Sources, Symbols and
Meaning p.229, lower left. This design does not have "an overwhelming
visual resemblance" to the registered arms. It takes only a moment to
recognize that they are not the same. Therefore, we are forwarding this
device.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Oswyn Goodryke. Kingdom resubmission device. Sable, a fish hauriant
embowed argent breathing flames Or.
[Name] Submitter's name was registered 03/01.
[Device] We note the badge Sable, a baleen whale hauriant argent,
(Balin the Fairhaired, 02/75, reblazoned 08/05). Here, the only rule which
could be used to declare these clear is X.2. Setting aside the question of
whether there is clear difference between a whale and a fish, there is
certainly not substantial difference between them. There is no CD for
addition of the flames (though they are drawn admirably well).
Device returned for conflict.
Roland fitzWilliam de Montaillou. New name and device. Per pale Or
and azure, a tilting lance throughout argent and a bordure
counterchanged.
[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not
major changes. Roland R&W (p. 384 s..n. Rowland). It is one of the
alternate spellings given in the header. In the Chanson de Roland. Also
dated to 1303 as a surname Nicholas Roland, found in Wythecombe (p. 256 s.n.
Roland), "was a favourite in the middle ages and was introduced into
England by the Normans."
fitzWilliam is found in R&W (p.171, s.n. FitzWilliam) in this
spelling 1424, also Edmund Fitzwilliam and Rauf le fuiz William 1299.
de Montaillou (from Montaillou). The submitter provides documentation
of the place, a stronghold of the Cathars, from "The Perfect Heresy: The
Revolutionary Life and Death of the Medieval Cathars" by Stephen O'Shea.
"The bleak black majesty of the Pyrenees marks the limit of Languedoc with
a towering finality. It was within sight of their summits that such outposts as
Montségur and Montaillou witnessed the ultimate stages of the
Cathar story."
A similar spelling occurs as a locative surname in Morlet's _...des Noms de
Famille_, p. 707, under Montalieu: "n. de localite' d'origine (Is{`e}re),
`Montalieu-Vercieu', cant. de Morestel [`Montallieu' XIIIc S.]". Also
found in Dauzat & Rostaing, _...noms de lieux_, is "Montlieu, cant.
Char.-Mar" on p. 467. On p. 468, "Montaulieu, Dr{o^}me (de Montolio,
1223)". On p. 469, "Montaille', Sarthe (Montaillier, 1330; germ.
Agil-hari); Montaillou, Ari{`e}ge (germ. Agilo)". While the
submitter's desired spelling is undated, it is similar enough to the acceptable
dated spellings to be forwarded.
[Armory] As drawn, the titlting lance is not recognizable. While it is nice
that it is bold, the straight sides and lack of detail make this difficult to
identify. We recommend consulting the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry
or other heraldic source to see pictures of this charge. Further, it is
recommended that the charge be drawn so that it not touching the bordure at the
top and bottom. (RfS VIII.4.d – while this rule is designated as
excessive modernity, the overall effect is lack of identifibility of the
charge.)
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.
Lyondemere, Barony of
Diego Antonio Vega de Palma. New name and device. Argent, a chevron
gules between three trefoils sable.
[Name] Submitted as Diego Martin Antonio Vega de Palma. The submitter
will accept all changes and is interested in a masculine name. If the name must
be changed, the submitter cares most about language/culture, "1520's
Spanish." He also indicated he "will accept dropping 'Martin' if
needed".
Diego is a masculine, Spanish name (fourth most popular) found in
Elsbeth Anne Roth's "16th Century Spanish Names"
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/spanish/index.html).
Diego de Torres (1539)
Martin is found (as Martín) as a masculine, Spanish name (14th
most popular). Ibid. Martín Callejo (1560).
Antonio is found as a masculine, Spanish name (8th Most popular).
Ibid. Antonio de Medina (1563).
Vega is found (as de la Vega) as a Spanish surname. Ibid. "Lope
de la Vega" 1539.
de Palma is found (as de (la) Palma) as a Spanish locative surname.
Ibid. Juan de Palma (1571).
Previous precedent suggests that the pattern of five name elements is not
registerable in Spanish names. While unlikely in the submitter's period, four
element Spanish names appear to be registerable. We have removed the element
"Martin" according to the submitter's allowances.
[Armory] This design conflicts with Argent, a chevron gules between two
mullets of six points voided and interlaced and a greyhound sable (Cynwrig
Cynydd, 08/97). There is a single Clear Difference for change in type of all
three secondary charges. (RfS X.4.b)
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for
conflict.
Ottavia Fortunati. New name and device. Per fess sable and Or,
three goblets counterchanged.
(line drawing)
[Name] The submitter is interested in a female name. She will accept all
changes, if changes must be made, cares most about meaning: "fortune,
fortunate, future – study of".
Ottavia is the feminine form of Ottavio, an Italian given name found
in de Felice Nomi (pp. 292-293).
Fortunati is an Italian byname meaning "Fortunate". It is
found in de Felice Cognomi (p.127, s.n. Fortuna) ("fomati o
derivati da fortuna 'sorte, destino', inteso in senso positive, cioè
buona fortuna, destino favorevole, felice.").
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Raphael ben Gideon. New name and device. Argent, on a card pique
sable a lion couchant queue-fourché, maintaining a sword argent.
(line drawing)
[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor
but not major changes and if changes must be made, he cares most about the
unspecified sound.
Raphael is found in Withycombe (pg. 250, header) dated to the 16th C
in England and earlier in Italy.
ben Gideon is Hebrew, "son of Gideon". Gideon is found in
Withycombe (pg. 133, header). It is undated in English use, but the author
indicates that the name became popular with the Puritans and the French
Huguenots, so presumably this applies to the early 17th C. We also note that
Raphael is the son of Gideon ben Levi (03/85), though documentation of the
relationship was not provided.
Both name elements also date to antiquity in Jewish culture, both being
mentioned in the Old Testament / Torah.
[Device] We believe that these arms are clear of (Fieldless) On an oak
leaf sable a mullet of four points argent, (Anton Winteroak, 05/85). Laurel
precedent grants a significant difference between a card pique and a crabapple
leaf (Quentin de Rougemont, 11/03). We believe that a similar significant
difference should exist between an oak leaf and a card pique. The other clear
difference is for the addition of the field.
Name and Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Raphael ben Gideon. New household name, Inn of the Crimson
Spade and badge. (Fieldless) A card pique gules.
(line drawing)
[Name] The submitter's name appears above. The submitter will accept no
changes.
Crimson is cited in the OED as the color red dated to 1462 (pg.
1175).
Spade is cited in the OED as a card suit dated to 1598 (pg. 2936), and
dates to pre-conquest meaning, "a shovel".
We believe that this is a reasonable name for an inn. A red shovel is
something that could be painted on a sign. We note that English Sign Names by
Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (Kathleen M. O'Brien)
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/inn)
lists a few inns named after tools (Bell, Hammer, Horn and Sword) as well as
several of the pattern color+animal (Greyhorse, Red Lyon…).
[Device] This submission is clear of (Fieldless) A seablatt inverted
gules (Merouda Pendray, 03/97). Laurel ruled that there should be a
difference between a card pique and a seeblatt inverted (Quentin de Rougemont,
11/03), The other clear difference is for fieldlessness.
Household Name and badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Order of Precedence Notes
Diego Antonio Vega de Palma appears in the Order of Precedence as
Diego Martin Antonio Vega..
Inn of the Crimson Spade appears in the Order of Precedence as
Crimson Spade, House of the.
Raphael ben Gideon appears in the Order of Precedence as
Raphael ben Gideon.
Bibliography
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De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo
Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986. [Cognomi]
De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo
Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986. [Nomi]
Ekwall, Eilert. The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names.
4th ed. Oxford University, New York, 1960. [Ekwall]
Elsbeth Anne Roth, "16th Century Spanish Names",
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/spanish/index.html.
O'Shea, Stephen, "The Perfect Heresy: The Revolutionary Life and Death
of the Medieval Cathars", September 2001, Walker & Company,
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Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames
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Surnames" http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyAG.html
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Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press 3rd ed. 1977. [Withycombe]
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