Minutes of 29 October 2006 Meeting * Caid College of Heralds

(Note: This meeting was held at Collegium Caidis. Also see the notes from the Oct. 22 meeting.)

KWHSS coming in June. Similar to Collegium classes on heraldry and calligraphy and illumination, plus great parties!

The new forms are approved and available online on the herald's page of the Caid website.

Coronation is in two weeks. If your group has presentations or other business, please email Crescent at courtbiz@sca-caid.org.

Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the December 20, 2006 Letter of Intent.

Angels, Barony of the

[Name] Submitted as Róisin ni Brian, the submitter does not care about the gender of her name. She will accept all changes and if changes must be made she cares most about the language and/or culture "Celtic (Irish)".

Róisín is found in OCM (Róis, p.156, 157) Róis appears to derive from the Old German hros 'horse' though at an early period it was identified with the flower of that name. It was brought into England by the Normans and reached Ireland much later... Róisín is a popular diminutive form." We have added the accent over the second "i" to match documentation. According to the consulting herald, the submitter is willing to accept Róis, but we appeal to the College for additional documentation of the diminutive. ni Brian. Daughter of Brian, a name found in OCM (p.35) with Brian Boru 1014. "Popular in England in Middle Ages."

Calafia, Barony of

Brut von Köln. New badge. Argent, a cross potent throughout sable and on a chief paly Or and gules four towers sable.

[Armory] We have informed the submitter that the 'argent' windows are artistic details and need not be blazoned.

Edborough Kellie. New device. Argent, a cross gyronny of sixteen and in chief two mullets of six points gyronny of twelve Or and azure.

[Armory] There was much discussion about the multiple number specific charges and specific forms of "gyronny" and whether this was excessive. Considering the simplicity of the emblazon and the geometric orientation of all points of the gyronny, the college believes it is acceptable.

Karsten Peternell von Oberstein. New name and device. Purpure, two harps and a natural seahorse argent.

[Name] The submitter does not care about the gender of the name (form altered prior to submission). She will accept all changes.

Karsten is from Bahlow (p.287) "Karsten, was originally Kersten. The sound change to 'ar' from 'er' was around 1300."

Peternell is also from Bahlow (p.407) "From Petronella, a holy virgin of the Roman clan Petronia", dated to 1375. Also, Herman Peternelle 1389 and a placename of Petronell near Bruck in Austria. This seems like a reasonable spelling considering all the variants.

von Oberstein, "From Oberstein", a place name found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "German Place Names from a 16th C Czech Register: Medieval to Modern index" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/periodmodern.html). The modern German spelling is unknown, but the medieval spelling is Oberstein.

[Armory] This is clear of Azure, two harps and a wolf sejant erect guardant argent (Ulf Gunnarsson 10/95) with one CD via RfS X.4.a for the change of field and one via RfS X.4.e for change of type of half of the primary charge group.

Oswyn Goodryke. New device. Per pale Or and argent two fish hauriant adorsed counterchanged gules and azure breathing flames proper.

The flames are drawn correctly as alternating tongues of flames of red and gold. When drawn correctly, proper flames are considered "neutral" tinctured, or able to be displayed either on color or metal field. However, proper flames should not be placed on Or or gules fields since half of the flame has no contrast at all. This must be returned for this reason as well. (RfS VIII.2.a.11)

Typhainne d'Alixandre. New badge. (Fieldless) four compass stars conjoined in cross argent.

{[Armory] This does not conflict with Azure, four mullets in cross points outward argent (Federated States of Micronesia, important non-SCA armory). There is one Clear Difference via X.4.a.iii for removal of the field and another CD via X.4.e for significant difference between standard, five-pointed mullets and compass stars.

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Anne Hawkwood. New name and device. Per pale ermine and azure, an owl maintaining in its raised dexter claw an ermine argent.

Anne is found in Withycombe (p.25-26, s.n. Ann) "[This name] occurs first in England about the beginning of the 13th C (1218 is the earliest record), but it was rare until the beginning of the 14th C, when it began to come into more general use, perhaps partly owing to the influence of Anne of Bohemia, queen of Richard II"

Hawkwood is from R&W (p.222, s.n. Hawkwood) with John de Haukwode 1343 and John de Hawkwod 1351. "From Hawkwoods in Sible Hedingham, or Hawkwood's Fm in Gosfield"

[Armory] RfS XI.3 states "Divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested. Such fields may only be used when no single portion of the field may appear to be an independent piece of armory." This device appears to be impaling the arms Ermine (Brittany, Important non-SCA Arms, 12/94) and Azure an owl...argent. Typically, a design like this, with a "plain field" on one side and a "charged field" on the other would not be presumptive since plain fields are not generally protected in SCA armory. Unfortunately, one of the two exceptions is the plain field Ermine.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for presumption of marshalling.

Eric Hawkwood. New name and device. Per pale engrailed vert and argent, a yale rampant and a goblet counterchanged.

Eric is from Wythycombe (p.105, s.n. Eric) with the note "Modern Norse, the name was brought to England by the Danes."

Hawkwood is from R&W (p.222, s.n. Hawkwood) with John de Haukwode 1343 and John de Hawkwod 1351. "From Hawkwoods in Sible Hedingham, or Hawkwood's Fm in Gosfield"

[Armory] The submitter would prefer to have the goblet blazoned as a 'grail' if possible. The term 'grail' is not a standard blazon term and has not been registered in SCA armory. Therefore, we have chosen to use a standard blazon term, 'goblet.' We did appreciate the "cant", however we "can't" forward the blazon as submitted.

We have advised the submitter to increase the amplitude and the frequency of the engrailing.

Lyondemere, Barony of

[Name] The submitter will accept all changes, and no boxes were checked. The surname on the form was changed to "Ravensburg" prior to submission.

Agnes is found in Wythycombe (p.6. s.n. Agnes) glossed as "pure: chaste", Agnes Cur 1187-1215, also Saint Agnes from the 3rd century, "There are five churches dedicated to her in England. From the 12th to the 16th C Agnes was one of the commonest English f. names".

von Ravensburg. This town name is found in CLG p.1560 "Founded in the 12th century under protection of the ancestral castle (now in ruins) of the Guelphs. Created free imperial city in 13th century. Flourishing commercial center, also noted for its fine linen, in 15th and 16th century."

Anica von Ravensburg. New name and device. Per chevron gules and sable, issuant from a chevron argent a demi-sun in splendor Or and in base a Maltese cross argent.

[Name] The surname on the form was changed to "Ravensburg" prior to submission. The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will not accept minor or major changes and if changes must be made, she cares most about the sound (unspecified).

Anica is the submitter's legal name as documented by her California Driver's license.

[Name] Submitted as Franklin. The surname on the form was also changed to "Ravensburg" prior to submission. The submitter will accept all changes and no boxes were checked.

Franclin is a constructed name built from the elements Franc--, a protheme from Searle, p.245 and --lin, a deuterotheme from Searle p. 338. We have changed the name to Franclin to match the submitted documentation

[Name] Submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept all changes and if changes must be made he cares most about the sound (unspecified).

Philip is in Withycombe (p.245, s.n. Philip) "It was common in England in the Middle Ages." Phelippe is dated to 1306.

Quartermaine is found in R&W (p.367, s.n. Quartermain). Dated spellings include Herbert Quatermayns 1230 and Herbert Quartremains 1187.

Noe College (Lyondemere)

Cormac Mór. Transfer of armory to Kathleen Kilpatrick. Sable, an open book argent between three pairs of torches in saltire argent flamed Or.

[Armory] This badge was registered as a device in 02/03 and changed to a badge in 05/04. There is a letter included with both parties accepting the transfer. Kathleen Kilpatrick is identified on the letter by "Fithir Maidhaigh ", a name returned by Crescent. Her legal name appears on the letter however, so this should still be acceptable. We have crossed out the old name and written in the new.

Cormac Mór. Kingdom resubmission badge. (Fieldless) A brown bear's head erased proper.

[Armory] The submitter's previous submission was returned by Crescent 10/22/06 for exceeding the armory registration limit. The transfer of one of Cormac's badges, above, clears space for this new armory.

A letter from Duncan Graeme is included permitting the conflict with his armory, Tierced per pall azure, or, and argent, overall a grizzly bear's head erased proper [Ursus horibilis] (registered 08/79).

Kathleen Kilpatrick. Kingdom resubmission name and kingdom resubmission acceptance of transfer of armory from Cormac Mór. Sable, an open book argent between three pairs of torches in saltire argent flamed Or.

[Name] On 10/22/06, Crescent returned her previous name submission "Fithir Maidhaigh" for lack of documentation. The submitter does not care about the gender of her name. She will accept all changes and if changes must be made she cares most about the sound (unspecified).

Kathleen was ruled SCA compatible by Pelican 03/02 (cover letter) and defined as "an Anglicized Irish form of the Gaelic name Caitlín, which itself derives from the Old French Cateline." It is one step from period practice.

Kilpatrick is found in Black (p. 398, s.n. Kilpatrick) "Nigel Kilpatrick, 1302."

[Armory] The submitter's previous submission was returned 10/22/06 for lack of name.

Bibliography

Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "German Place Names from a 16th C Czech Register: Medieval to Modern index", http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/periodmodern.html.

Bahlow, Hans. Dictionary of German Names. translated by Edda Gentry, University of Wisconsin, Madison: Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, 1967, English version: 2002. [Bahlow/Gentry 2nd]

Black, George F. The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York: The New York Public Library, 1946. Ninth printing, 1989. [Black]

Ó Corráin, Donnchadh, and Maguire, Fidelma. Irish Names. Dublin: The Lilliput Press, 1990. [OCM]

Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press, 3rd ed. 1995. [R&W]

Searle, William George. Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum. 1897. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,. Facsimile ed. 1969.

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