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Minutes of the April 2, 2006 College of Heralds
Meeting |
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[Note: These submissions appear on the
Sep 06 LoAR, with a
note on the
Oct. 2006
errata.]
Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.
In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin,
Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Hrorek Chevron, Altan Gal
exchequer, Catherine de Winter, Cassandre Nicole Laustaunau, Meala Caimbeul,
Thomas Quatrefoil, Cei Myghchaell, Selene Aurum,
Vivienne Recorder, Santin Gold Forest, Aran Darkhelm,
Marion Fitz Thomas, Anne Cathryn of Wicken Bonhunt and
Cormac Bellows.
Upcoming meetings are: May 07, June 25, July 16, August 20, September 24,
October 22, November 19, and December 3, 2006.
When sending pre-meeting summaries, please include all information on the
forms. This should include the names or blazons being submitted, summary of
boxes checked, summary of documentation, and modern contact information.
Cassandre asks that the College be very careful to dispose of used staples
and paperclips so that they do not end up on the floor for baby Jordan to find
later.
Crown tournament is approaching. All who wish to volunteer for field heraldry
are gratefully welcomed by Bellows Pursuivant.
Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding
name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the May 24,
2006 Letter of Intent.
Altavia, Barony of
Asakura Machi. New change of name from Artemisia di
Serena.
[Name] Her current primary name, registered 02/02, should be retained as an
alternate name. The submitter is interested in a feminine, Japanese name,
though does not request changes to make the name authentic. She will accept any
changes necessary.
Both names are documented from P.G. O'Neill, Japanese Names,
photocopies provided. We do not know whether this author lists modern or period
names as no entries are dated.
Asakura is on p. 136 and 194, meaning "cherry
blossom".
Machi is on p. 255 and 162, meaning unknown.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Wolfram Paternoster. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name, but really doesn't
care (both boxes checked). He is interested in an authentic, German name. He
will accept all changes.
Wolfram is found in Bahlow Gentry (p.621, header) dated
circa 1332.
Paternoster is in Bahlow Gentry (p.402, header) dated circa
1372.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Angels, Barony of the
Anne Cathryn of Wicken Bonhunt. New badge. Per bend
argent and Or.
[Name] Registered 12/97.
[Armory] This conflicts with Per bend Or and argent (Cormac
Mór, 01/05). The submitter has supplied a letter of permission to
conflict from Cormac Mór.
Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Calafia, Barony of
Carynsa Leland of Roseberry. New badge. Per pale checky
purpure and Or and Or, a sprig of ivy sable.
[Name] Registered 06/88.
[Armory] RfS 2.a.ii specifies that good contrast exists between: "an
element equally divided of a color and a metal, and any other element as long
as identifiability is maintained". Here, the field is predominantly Or and
therefore, at worst "neutral" as regards the rule of tincture.
Unfortunately, the majority of the sprig lies on the very complex checky side
of the field. This reduces identifyability to an unacceptable degree.
Device returned for lack of identifiability.
Cynthia de Wickersham. Kingdom resubmission badge. Azure
semy of mittens, a pearled coronet argent.
[Name] Registered 04/90.
Withdrawn by submitter.
Thomas Brownwell. New Alternate name, Filbert
Noteheued.
[Name] The submitter's name was registered 07/90. He will accept all changes.
He is interested in a masculine name.
Filbert is found in Withycombe (p. 122, s.n. Fulbert), dated
to the Norman invasion.
Noteheued is found in R&W (p. 284, s.n. Longhead), dated
to 1276 with the meaning "nuthead".
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Hakon Bloodaxe of Orkney. Kingdom resubmission device.
Per bend gules and sable, an eagle wearing a horned helm Or and a border
erminois.
[Name] Registered 09/04.
Withdrawn by submitter.
Rashid Khamal Mohamed Salmon Sager. New device. Per pale
gules and argent, two lions combatant counterchanged on a chief sable two
mountains couped Or.
[Name] Name has not been registered. We could find no record that this name
is in submission.
[Armory] This must be returned for lack of a primary name (see AH A.1).
Device returned for lack of a name.
Róis inghean uí Fhlaithbheartaigh. New device.
Argent, an ash tree eradicated proper and on a chief embattled azure, two
bees fesswise respectant argent.
[Name] Registered 05/02.
[Armory] This conflicts with Argent, a tree proper on a chief embattled
azure three plates. [Bergdis Thorgrímsdóttir 07/01]. No more
than one clear difference can be obtained from changes to the same group of
charges on other charges (See RfS X.4.j). Therefore, we have one CD for
cumulative changes to the charges on the chief. The "eradication" of
the tree does not contribute the necessary, second CD.
Device returned for conflict.
Summergate, Canton of [Calafia]
Katherine Johnson. New Name.
[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She will not accept major
changes. If the name must be changed, she cares more about the meaning.
Katherine is found in Morgan & Morgan (p. 140, s.n.
Iorwerth), dated to 1538. It is found in this spelling in Withycombe (p. 186,
s.n. Katharine, Katherine), dated with the "th" in the 16th C.
Johnson is found in R&W (p. 256, header) is dated in
this spelling to 1379.
Regarding the similar listing, "Katrina Jonsdottir," the question
of potential conflict is moot as this name was released through a name change
to Ekaterina von Pferdberg in 1990.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Dun Or, Barony of
Khalida al-Khansa'. Kingdom resubmission device. Per
pale sable and argent, a lotus blossom in profile gules.
[Name] Registered 03/04.
[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Per pale gules and sable, a
lotus flower in profile argent was returned by Crescent 09/05 for conflict
with per chevron vert and sable a lotus flower in profile argent
(Katja Dara 10/95). The change in color of the lotus blossom, in addition to
changes to the field, clears this conflict.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gyldenholt, Barony of
Alienor d'Orliens. New device. Argent, a raven statant
wings elevated and inverted sable sustaining in its beak an arrow palewise, a
dexter tierce purpure.
[Name] Registered 10/05.
[Device] No conflicts found. The arrow is large enough that it is co-primary
with the bird.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Antonia Wolfin. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept all
changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the meaning.
Antonia is in Withycombe (p.27, sn Antoinette, Antonia).
"... these are respectively the French (diminutive) and the Italian f.
forms of Antony (q.v.)... There was a 3rd-C Byzantine saint
Antonia..."
Wolfin is found in R&W (p.502, sn Woolven, Woollven, ...
Wolfin, ...) with Wlfwinus Holepot 1182-1211 BuryS (Sf),
Wolvin Cote 1340 Husting, Nicolas Wolwin c1236 Seals, .... OE
Wulfwine 'wolf-friend."
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Katherine Grey of York. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name authentic to 16th C
England. She will accept all changes and if changes must be made, she is most
interested in the meaning. She has added the note, "'of York' can be
omitted if needed."
Katherine is found in Withycombe (p.186, s.n. Katherine,
Katerine, Catharine, Catherine) as a feminine name. "The spelling with
'th' came in about the 16th C."
Grey is found in R&W (p. 203, s.n. Gray, Grey, Le Grey)
with Philip le Grey dated to 1296.
of York is found in R&W (p. 508, s.n. York, Yorke) with
John de York dated to 1324 and Thomas York dated to 1522. It
is also found in Ekwall (p. 545) undated.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Siobhan ingen Chathasaigh. New device. Ermine, a
cauldron sable and on a chief engrailed gules three dragonflies
argent.
[Name] Forwarded on the 01/06 LoI from Caid.
[Armory] We advise the submitter to draw the cauldron larger to fill the
space.
Device approved and forward to Laurel.
Seamus O'Domhnaill of Devil's Beef Tub. Kingdom resubmission
name and device. Argent, a trefoil vert and on a chief embattled azure
three crescents argent.
[Name] Submitted as Seamus of Devil's Beef Tub O'Domhnaill. No boxes
checked. The submitter will allow the reversal of surnames if necessary to
register the name. He also explicitly allows the use of the Anglicized form of
the patronymic O'Donnell. The submitter's previous submission, Seamus
O'Domhnaill was returned by Crescent 11/05 for conflict with Seamus MacDonald
(registered 02/87). The addition of the second surname clears this
conflict.
Seamus is found in OCM (p.163, header) as a masculine name.
"This name was common among the Anglo-Norman settlers in Ireland and was
adopted by the native Irish."
O'Domhnaill is found in MacLysaght (p.85, s.n. O'Donnell,
O'Domhnaill). "The main sept, one of the most famous in Irish history,
especially in the seventeenth century..." In Black (s.n. Donald, pg. 214),
Donald is the Anglicized form of the modern Gaelic name Domhnall,
"... in the Gaelic genealogical manuscript of 1467 and in the
Gaelic entries in the Book of Deer (c. 1100) it is
Domnall."
of Devil's Beef Tub is a locative. The submitter documents
this from The Steel Bonnets: The Story of the Anglo-Scottish Border
Reivers by George MacDonald Frasier. The map on pg. 4, "The Border
Marches of England and Scotland in the Sixteenth Century" distinctly shows
"Devil's Beef Tub."
A plaque at the site suggests that the name may be period. It reads,
"DEVIL'S BEEF TUB: An earlier name for this hollow was CORRIE OF ANNAN. In
the sixteenth century it was used by the Johnstones to hoard cattle stolen in
predatory raids and it became known as the BEEF TUB or the MARQUIS OF
ANNANDALE'S BEEF STAND." A photo of the plaque (along with other views of
the site) can be found at
http://www.clanmoffat.org/Gatherings/Moffat2005/BusTour/pages/page_2.html.
If the name is contemporary with the Johnstones' misdeeds, then it is late
period. A "Corrie" is "A hollow on the side of a mountain."
(Dictionary of the Scots Language at
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/)
We have no doubt that the Devil's Beef Tub itself has never been inhabited by
humans due to its extreme vertical terrain, but think it's plausible that
someone might live in a place that overlooks the site. We note that there is
precedence for the registration of place-names where one would not
normally have lived in that place:
In period, the dominant meaning of desert was
"uninhabited by people"; it was perfectly proper to speak of desert
forests, for instance. Wynde being documented as a winding street, the
name thus means "Shire of Empty Streets" -- something of an oxymoron
for a functioning SCA group. Either for this meaning, however, or for their
intended meaning of "Shire of Hot, Arid Breezes", the Rule of Toyota
seems to apply. (Desert Wyndes, Shire of, 06/93 acceptances)
If Laurel finds that "of Devil's Beef Tub" is not registerable,
unfortunately it cannot be simply omitted. This change would leave "Seamus
O'Domhnaill" which would conflict with Seamus MacDonald (registered
02/87).
We have no documentation to support the use of Prenom-Locative-Patronymic, so
we have changed the order of the last two elements. He prefers the original
form and we would appreciate any assistance in this regard.
The combination of Gaelic and English is one step from period practice.
[Armory] We advise the submitter to draw more crenellations on the line of
division.
Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and
forwarded to Laurel.
Lyondemere, Barony of
Arganteilin filia Elffin. New name.
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will allow all
changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the sound.
Furthermore, she specifies that "Changes may be made to place [the
patronymic] in the genitive form, if necessary."
Arganteilin is found in 10th C. Cornish Women's
Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose Jones)
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/cornishwomen.html).
The author states "Probably pronounced AR-yahn-HEY-linn. There is
an Old Breton Arganthael (not sure if it's male or female) which is
probably related."
filia is Latin for "daughter of".
Elffin is cited from An Index to the First Eleven
Centuries of Peter C. Bartrum's Welsh Genealogies: AD 300-1400 by Colm
Dubh (Proceedings of the Known World Heraldic Symposium 1996. SCA).
Unfortunately, while copies of KWHS Proceedings are not required by Laurel, the
Caid College of Herald's copy of the 1996 Proceedings cannot be found.
Therefore, we cannot confirm the spelling of the name. We note that
Elfin is listed as a Welsh masculine name in The First Thousand
Years of British Names by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (Heather Rose
Jones,
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/british1000/appendix4_5.html)
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Naevehjem, Barony of
Damian O'Hara. New name and device. Sable, on a cross
moline gules fimbriated an escallop argent.
[Name] The submitter will accept minor but not major changes. No other boxes
are checked.
Damian is found in Withycombe (p.78, header) as a masculine
name, "found in England as a Christian name in 1205, and was in use for
several centuries."
O'Hara is an Anglicized Irish surname found in MacLysaght,
Surnames, (p.146, header). MacLysaght, Irish Families (p.173-4)
dates the sept to at least 1350 and "O'Hara Bay" to 1585.
[Armory] RfS VIII.3 states, in part, "Voiding and fimbriation may only
be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design."
Previous precedent has ruled that, "A cross moline is too complex to
fimbriate." (Andrew Talbot. Returns 07/99) Later, François Laurel
expressed concern that this ruling may have been too conservative;
In the cases of both crosses moline and crosses flory, some period
depictions of the cross have ends which are complicated enough that the cross
is arguably too complex to void by the criteria of the Cover Letter dated
January 15, 1993 (for the November 1992 LoAR), although many other period
depictions of these crosses are simple enough to void by the same criteria.
While we are not certain whether we would rule, de novo, that crosses
moline are too complicated to void, insufficient evidence has been presented to
overturn the previous precedent concerning the voidability of crosses moline.
(Victoria Anthoinette Sauvignon, 03/04)
The cross moline drawn in this submission has fairly "mild" points.
Parker's A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry (p. 166-7, cross
definition #24) offers two blazons of crosses moline, one with mildly bent
points, one intermediate, plus two emblazons Parker suggests might best be
described as "crosses anchory" where the points are bent round like a
ram's horns. Parker states, "The drawings vary in the extent to which the
bifurcated end is curved, and either of those shown in the margin may be
followed. If they are much more curved,the term 'anchory' may perhaps
be given to the cross..."
All of these differ from the emblazon in the Pic Dic (#166) which has
very extreme points, certainly too narrow to accommodate fimbriation.
Bruce Laurel's 11/92 rule of thumb for determining whether a charge was
simple enough to void or fimbriate was designed to reasonably expand on the
pattern of roundel/annulet, lozenge/mascle and escutcheon/orle. Indeed, in our
research we find that, besides ordinaries and crosses, the most complex charges
voided in period were mullets (and even then it's unclear whether the blazons
refer to what we would call a mullet voided or a mullet
pierced/spur rowell). But we did find a lot of crosses
voided...
We did not period blazons that used the term "fimbriated" to modify
any charge besides ordinaries.
It seems however that crosses (that is, cross as charge) were found voided in
period. The term "cross moline voided" is certainly period, though
according to Parker (p.176-7, cross #32) it is unclear whether those blazons
refer to a cross moline drawn in outline or a cross moline that has been cut
down the length of each limb and the four resulting pieces offset towards the
corners of the field (what might be referred to later as a cross
recercelée or sarcelly).
Other, similar crosses are also foundvoided, such as crosses patonce and
crosses fleury. In both these cases, it seems less ambiguous that what is meant
is that the cross is drawn in outline. After all, if cut apart into four
angles, the central point of these types of crosses would be destroyed.
Papworth's Ordinary of British Armorials offers the following similar
crosses (a note on p.603 indicates that, when an emblazon is available, the
author uses the modern definition of terms such as voided, sarcelly
and patonce):
- Arg. a cross flory voided (? Az.). Melton, co. Lancaster. (p.603)
- Arg. a cross patonce voided az. Melton, co. York. (p.604)
- Arg. a cross flory voided gu. James Pilkinton, Bishop of Durham, 1561-76...
(p.604)
- Arg. a cross flory voided and ringed gu. Monsire John Molton, Harl.
MS. 1386, fo. 34. (p.604)
- Arg. a cross moline voided'gu. Crokeine, Ireland. (p.605)
- Arg. a cross patonce voided gu. Pilkington, Rivington, Co. Lancaster, [and
several others of the same name] (p.605)
- Arg. a cross patonce voided and pomelled at the four ends gu. Monsire John
Melton, Harl.MS. 1386, fo 34. (p.605)
- Arg. a cross flory voided sa. Pilkington. (p.607)
- Az. a cross flory voided arg. Malton or Melton, South Hayne, co. Devon; and
co. York (p.608)
- Az. a cross patonce voided arg. M. William de Melton, S. Sr. John
Melton, V. William de Melton, Archbishop of York 1317-40.
(p.608)
- Az. a cross moline voided erminois. Moliner, Ipswitch, Suffolk.
(p.609)
- Az. a cross moline voided or. Sir John de Basinge, N, Harl. MS.
6137. (p.610. Cross reference with Foster's p.11 suggests this may be a cross
recercelée)
- Az. A cross moline voided or over all a baston gu. Sir William de Bassinge,
N, Harl. MS. 6137. Sir William de Cassinges, L, Harl. MS.
6137. (p.610)
- Gu. a cross moline voided arg. Beack or Beeke (p.612)
- Gu. a cross patonce voided arg. Melton (p.612)
- Or a cross flory voided sa. Lamplugh or Lamplow. (p.616)
Foster's A Dictionary of Heraldry has a few of these, some with tricks
in the margins (those the author marks with "F"):
- Melton, John and William de - "(E.
III. Roll) bore, azure a cross patonce voided argent; Jenyn's, Surrey, and
Congrave Rolls, in which last it is not voided. (p.139)
- Melton, John de – (E. III. Roll) bore, argent a
cross patonce voided gules – pecé botonée. (F.) Jenyns'
Ordinary. (p.139)
- Pilkington, Sir Alexander 1301 – bore, argent a
cross patonce voided gules – Sirley. F (p.162)
The trick for John de Melton shows a cross with points approximately as
complex as the cross moline in this submission. The cross on the trick of Sir
Alexander Pilkington is a bit simpler.
Given François Laurel's uncertainty over the previous ruling and given
the existence of similarly-complex crosses voided, we feel it is reasonable to
forward this submission for the College of Arms to consider again whether a
cross moline is simple enough to fimbriate.
Name and Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Order of Precedence Notes
Asakura Machi appears in the Order of Precedence as "Artemisia di
Serena". Under this entry is a note, "name change in progress to
Asakura noh Machi." Crescent can find no record of a previous
change of name submission. Also listed is Mercy the Potter see Artemisia de
Serena.
Wolfram Paternoster appears in the Order of Precedence as "Wolfe von
Peter".
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