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Minutes of the November 6, 2005 meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the May 06 LoAR]

Meeting commenced at 11:15 AM and ended at 5:30 PM. At the scheduled meeting end, there were still a number of submissions that had not yet been considered. These submissions are pended and will be considered first at the December meeting. It is worth noting that all save one of submissions which Crescent received summaries for prior to the Thursday evening cutoff were ruled on.

In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Thomas Brownell, Vivienne Recorder, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Santin Gold Forest, Damien Sable Fret, Selene Aurum, Catherine de Winter, Rotheric Kynith, Balthazar Seraph, Hrorek Chevron, Meala Caimbeul, Christopher Golden Rose, Cassandre Loustaunau.

Upcoming meetings are: December 11, 2005 (Date changed to avoid conflict with Queen's Champion Equestrian), January 22, 2006, February 05, 2006, March 12, 2006, April 02, 2006, May 07, 2006 and June 25, 2006. Following the December meeting will be the traditional College of Heralds holiday party.

This weekend, the Kingdom of Gleann Abhann celebrates its first coronation. We hope the new kingdom will flourish and grow.

Caid's Coronation will be held next weekend.

The device submission for Kater^ina Magdaléna Stoyanovna, Purpure, five Catherine's wheels Or was inadvertently omitted from the minutes of the August 7, 2005 meeting. It should have been approved and forwarded to Laurel at that time. As the August minutes were then used to build the September LoI, the device is also missing there. The device submission has been forwarded on the October 26, 2005 LoI. Better late than never! [Webwright's note: The submission is on the web version of the August 05 minutes.]

Submissions marked with "†" were accepted at Collegium Caidis. Submissions marked with "‡" were accepted at Great Western War. Unless otherwise noted, all submitters will accept the creation of a holding name, if appropriate. Approved submissions will be forwarded on the January 25, 2006 Letter of Intent.


al-Sahid, Shire of

Gregor Turov. New name and device. Per bend sinister Or and argent, a bull's head caboshed and a hammer sable hafted proper.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept no changes.

Gregor is documented from Wickendon 2nd ed. (s.n. Grigorii, p. 75), dated to the 15th C. as a masculine name.

Turov is also from Wickendon (header, p. 248), dated 1571 and glossed as "Bull."

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Kiena Gledston. New badge. (Fieldless) a decrescent per pale azure and argent.

[Name] Name registered 02/03.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Saher de Wahull. New badge. (Fieldless) A crescent gules.

[Name] Name registered 05/02.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Altavia, Barony of

Ingilborg Sigmundardottir. New badge (Fieldless) A sheaf of a sword inverted between four arrows bound with a garter argent.

[Name] The submitter's name was registered 08/01. This badge is to be associated with "House Strongbow" which appears on the 08/24/05 Letter of Intent from Caid.

[Armory] We note that a garter and a belt are identical. White belts are restricted to the chivalry so the submitted badge is presumptuous. We request that the final drawing be submitted in black ink, since the photocopied pencil drawing was impossible to distinguish across the room.

Badge returned for presumption.


Thorin O'Seaghdua. Kingdom resub device. Per pale gules and vert, in chevron an axe and a needle, on a chief argent three trefoils vert.

[Name] Submitters name was approved and forwarded to Laurel at the Caid 10/02/05 meeting.

Submission withdrawn.


Angels, Barony of

Una Morgant o Rhos. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes to the name, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the meaning: "Una - white wave".

Una is found in OCM (p. 176, s.n. Una). The editors note that it is extremely popular.

Morgant is found in Morgan & Morgan, (p. 168, s.n. Morgan) "The OW form Morcant... the name became Morgan in the med period. There are examples relatively late of Morgant." They indicate that there were two instances found in the RecCa Index (Record of Carnarvon), which they fail to date.

Double given names are not registerable in Welsh, so we presume that this is an unmarked patronymic, which we do not believe is registerable. This might be fixed by the addition of the Welsh verch (daughter of). This would be a major change and thus prohibited by the submitter's wishes.

o Rhos "of Rhios". The location is found in Dewi Davis, Welsh Place Names and Their Meaning, (p. 40, s.n. Rhos), meaning "moorland". The New Welsh Dictionary by Evans and Thomas list "o" under "from" p.293.

Name returned for lack of documentation.


Caid, Kingdom of

Phelan de Bruce. New device. Azure, a catapult Or and on a chief gules three bezants.

[Name] Name registered 03/01 via Caid.

[Armory] The submitter has permission to conflict with Osric Saxon, though the designs do not conflict.

This must be returned for breaking the rule of tincture (RfS VIII.2.b). The chief must have good contrast with the field. Also, as drawn, the catapult is not recognizable to a degree necessary according to RfS VII.7.a. We recommend the submitter view the depiction in the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry for guidance.

Device returned for lack of contrast.


Calafia, Barony of

Brianna de Blare. New name.

Submission pended for lack of time.


Brian Fayre. New name and device. Per pale purpure and argent an hourglass sustained between two panthers combatant counterchanged.

[Name] Submitted as Bryan Fayre. The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept all changes and if changes must be made, cares most about the sound.

Bryan is found in Withycombe, pg 53 "Brian or Bryan has from early times been a favorite in Ireland on account of the national hero Brian Borimge, but it was, during the middle ages, equally popular in England, where it was introduced from Britany at the time of the Norman Conquest." Unfortunately, Withycombe is not reliable for non-English names or spellings and OCM fail to corroborate this spelling. We have changed the name to the documentable English spelling. (Withycombe continues on p. 53, "Brian is the name of 2 sub-tenants in DB...")

Fayre is documented from R&W (p. 160, s.n. Fayre) with Thomas le Fayre, 1332.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Katherine Hunter. New name.

Submission pended due to lack of time.


Dia of Newcastle. New name and device. Vert, a stag's head cabossed sable between in fess a decrescent and an increscent argent fimbriated sable basemost horns conjoined each charged with a crescent-shaped knot "purpure".

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor though not major changes.

Dia is the submitters legal given name, though paperwork documenting this is not provided. According to the "Legal Name Allowance" (RfS II.4), an element of the submitter's legal name may be used to serve a similar purpose in their registered SCA name, but it must be documented with a photocopy of the submitter's driver's license or other suitable identification. If this is supplied, this name can be forwarded.

of Newcastle is a locative. "Newcastle upon Tyne" is found in Ekwall (p.339-340, header spelling) with the spelling "Newcasle super Are" dated to 1316-17. We believe it reasonable to omit the reference to the river in an English locative.

[Armory] This device is not of a period style and must be returned for redraw. The stag's head has poor contrast with the field as is required by RfS VIII.2. While not intentional, the crescents appear to be fimbriated due to the thick, black outline around each one. In Laurel's words, "Please advise the submitter to be careful on future submissions to avoid outlines so thick that they appear to be fimbriation." (Magy McTerlach, 10/01). Also, the exact orientation of the crescents is difficult to accurately describe in standard blazon language, as is required by RfS VII.7.b. Likewise, the knots upon the crescents are not describable in standard blazon language. "Celtic knotwork" has been unregisterable for SCA armory for some time now. "One can find references to a 'long-standing ban on knotwork' in November 1994, and the policies on knotwork have not changed since then." (Eithne Rannach na an tEilan Dubh, 03/02). And finally, the submitter is warned to avoid the use of ink jet printers to provide the color on future submission forms due to the fugitive nature of that medium. The color of the knots on this submission is only recognizable as "purpure" with some imagination. Whatever color it was originally, it appears quite brown now.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for multiple problems, including lack of a name.


Fionnghuala inghean Uilliam. New name.

Submission pended due to lack of time.


Helga gylðir. New name and device. Per fess sable and argent, in pale a wolf passant and a wolf sejant ullulant contourny counterchanged.

Submissions pended due to lack of time.


Jeremias de Froggemor. New name and device. Sable a frog Or.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept any changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the sound.

Jeremias is found in R&W (p. 254, s.n. Jeremy) with Jeremias de Ecclesfeld 1219.

de Froggemor is found in R&W (p. 178 sn. Frogmore). It is an English toponymic: William de Froggemor 1275.

[Armory] This device conflicts with Æsa Gilsdottir, Per pale azure and gules, a frog Or (07/04) with only one clear difference for changes to the field.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.


Maddeleentje van Leiden. New name

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. She will allow minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the sound, and language/culture: 1575-1600 Netherlands. The submitter originally requested changes to make the name authentic, but changed her mind and altered the form prior to submission.

Maddeleentje is found in Woordenboek van Voornamen, Dr. J. Van Der Schaar (pg 254, s.n. Magdalena), dated to 1633.

van Leiden, "of Leiden", a city in the Netherlands. We have found it in Chambers World Gazetteer, ed. Dr. David Munro (header, pg. 357). The authors state that the city dates to the 11th C. It received its charter in 1266.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Margeret Kerne. New device. Vert, on a chevron argent three escallops sable.

[Name] Name registered 12/04.

[Armory] This conflicts with Klaus Winter, Vert, on a chevron throughout argent three holly leaves vert (registered 01/01) with only one clear difference for cumulative changes to the tertiary charges (see RfS X.4.j). There is no difference given between a chevron and a chevron throughout. We also caution the submitter to omit the black outlining on the chevron for future submissions to avoid any confusion with unregisterable fimbriation.

Device returned for conflict.


Pelay Saber. New name and device. Per bend sinister wavy sable estensilly argent and azure, a natural dolphin palewise embowed argent.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept no changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the sound. The submitter will not allow the creation of a holding name.

Both elements found in Melcon, though no information is available on what this source says about these names. As time is short, we are returning this name in hopes the submitter can provide more detail.

[Armory] Clear of Per chevron vert and gules, a dolphin haurient argent (Juan el Blanco, 10/97). There is a clear difference for changes to the tincture of the field as well as an additional clear difference for the addition of the estencils. These count as secondary charges, rather than part of the field itself. However, this must be returned for lack of a name (AH II.A.1), and for a redrawing of the device - the curves on the wavy need more amplitude and the estencils should be larger and perhaps fewer in number.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of a name and a redrawing.


Tamitha de Barde. New name and device. Argent, a chevron sable between two thistles proper and a goblet gules.

Submissions pended due to lack of time.


Thomas Hewes of Islington. New name.

Submission pended due to lack of time.


William M'Killroy. New name and device. Per fess gules and sable, a fess wavy between three dolphins hauriant Or.

[Name] The submitter desires name of Irish/English origin. He will accept minor but not major changes and if changes must be made, he specifically does not want "Mac"

William The submitter has provided St. Gabriel's report 2810 (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2810.txt) indicating William is found in OCM (s.n. Uilliam) with evidence from Annala Rioghachta Eireann: Annals of the Kingdom of Ireland by the Four Masters from the Earliest period to the Year 1616 citing seven examples of William being used in English-language documents by Gaelic men. Also cited in the report was Mari Elspeth nic Bryan's "Index of Names in Irish Annals" (WWW: Academy of S. Gabriel, 2001-2002) dating Uilliam to the 16th century.

M'Killroy - This is found in the same St. Gabriel's report with the original source being Wolfe (p.379 s.n. Mac Giolla Ruaid). This shows M'Killroy and other variants to be forms of Mac Giolla Ruaidh with the modern form being McElroy. Fortunately, it looks like the original inquirer never registered any of the variants.

[Armory] The fess wavy, as drawn must be returned for redraw (RfS VII.7.a). We recommend the submitter draw one or two additional undulations on the fess and draw each undulation "deeper". Due to lack of time, this has not been thoroughly checked for conflicts.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.


Summergate, Canton of

Leonardo Geminiani. New name and device. Azure, in fess two lions rampant Or.

[Name] Submitted as Leonardo Geminani. Submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes.

Leonardo is found in De Felici, Nomi, (pp. 226-227) as a masculine given name

Geminiani is found in De Felici, Cognomi, (p. 133 s.n. Geminiani). The submitted spelling does not appear in the entry, so we assume that it is an error. The name is apparently of toponomic origin ("Cemignani o Gimignani, in Toscana, possono anche essere formati dai toponimi San Gemignano (LU) e San Gimignano (SI)")

[Armory] This must be returned for Conflict with William Longespee (Important non-SCA arms) Azure, six lions rampant Or. There is only one clear difference for change in number of charges.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for conflict.


Carreg Wen, Shire of

Samutani Sukenobu. New name.

Submission pended due to lack of time.


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Osric Saxon. New name and device. Azure, in pale a crescent inverted and a catapult argent.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor, but not major changes.

Osric is found in Searle (header, pg. 377). There are 17 different individuals listed, dating from 633 to 882 A.D. In addition, it is found in Reaney Origins of English Surnames (p. 207), where the author states, "whilst the curious Horsewright, noted in Suffolk (John Horsewright, Robert Horsewreath 1524 SSRSF), is probably from OE Osric."

Saxon is from R&W (header, p 394), undated in this spelling but other variants dated to the 13th C.

[Armory] No conflicts found. The submitter has permission to conflict with Phelan de Bruce, though the designs do not conflict. As drawn, the catapult is not recognizable to a degree necessary according to RfS VII.7.a. We recommend the submitter view the depiction in the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry for guidance.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for redraw.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Collette Millard. New name and device. Azure, on a chevron inverted between a dove volant bendwise sinister maintaining in its beak an olive branch and two fleurs de lis argent, two feathers tips crossed sable.

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. If changes must be made, she cares most about the Language/Culture, "French."

Collette is documented from a Saint Gabriel report, http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2479.txt, a copy is provided. This report dates the name to the 14th-15th C in Picardy. The Academy's reference for this is Morlet, Marie-Therise, Etude d'anthroponymie picarde, les nomes de personne en Houte Picardie aux XIIIe, XIVe, XVe siecles (Amiens, Musee de Picardie, 1967).

Collette is also found in Wythecombe (p. 70, s.n. Colette), dated to 1379.

Millard is found in Dauzat (p.435, s.n. Millard) "Millard, ver. Graphique de Milard (Nord); [Midi] « champ de millet »" (Millard is a graphic variation of "Milard" from the North meaning "millet field") Milard is found on p. 434, "n. de personnes d'origine germ." (A name of German origin?).

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Dirk Ivanovich. New badge. Or, a gorgon's head cabossed gules.

[Name] Name change (from Direk Ivanovich) appears on the 06/24/05 Letter of intent from Caid.

[Armory] The charge on this badge is drawn in a highly stylized fashion. Especially confounding are two braids (?) hanging down over where the shoulders might be. Without documentation that this depiction may have been used in Medieval heraldry, this must be returned (RfS VII.7.a). We recommend the submitter view the emblazon found in the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry for guidance. This was conflict checked and found to be free of conflict.

Device returned for redraw.


Edward Thorp. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. He will allow no changes, and if changes are required, he cares most about the Language/Culture, "English".

Edward can be documented from Withycombe (p.94, sn. Edward). It is dated throughout our period. For example, "From the ascension of Edward I in 1272 there was an Edward on the throne of England for over a century (until 1377)..."

Thorp is found in R&W (p.455, s.n. Thorp). "Robert de Thorp 1287... William in le Thorp 1327... Jak del Thorp 1332... From one of the numerous places named Thorp(e)"

We found an Edward Thorpe in Webster's Biographical Dictionary (s.n. Thorpe, pg. 1467), who was an English chemist who lived from 1845-1925. We believe that he is important enough to protect.

Name returned for conflict.


Fionnuala MacNaulty. New name.

[Name] The submitter has indicated no preferences.

Fionnuala is found in OCM (p.103, s.n. Finnguala: Fionnghuala, Fionnuala) as a feminine name meaning "fair shouldered". "Finnguala was an extremely popular name in Ireland in the later middle ages..."

MacNaulty is found in MacLysaght (p.233, s.n. (Mac)Naulty, Nolty). It is undated.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Gaius Brutus. New name change from Gaius Grattius Brutus; Laurel resub device. Sable, on a bend sinister between two bulldogs heads caboshed argent, four quatrefoils slipped vert.

[Name] Submitter's current name was registered 04/05. He will accept no changes. He requests an authentic name, but fails to specify either time period or language/culture. Submitter does not indicate a desire to keep the old name as an alternate. Gaius is found in Withycombe (header, p. 124), where the author states it is a Roman praenomen.

Brutus is listed as a cognomen (Decimus Brutus) in Rome In The Augustan Age by H. T. Rowell (University of Oklahoma Press) page 21 and also in The Fourth Edition of A History of the Roman People by Allen M. Ward (University of Connecticut), Fritz M. Heichelheim and Cedric A. Yeo on page 219. (Copies of Title and cited pages attached to submission form.)

[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Sable, on a bend sinister between two bulldogs statant respectant argent, four quatrefoils bendwise slipped to dexter base vert was returned by Laurel 05/05 due to lack of documentation of the bulldog's appearance.

Bulldog's heads similar to this emblazon have been previously registered. The primary charge of Connor Wulfric MacNeill's device (Or, a bulldog's head caboshed gules and a ford proper registered 11/00 via Caid) is very similar.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Madog Maelgwn ap Llywelyn. New badge. (Fieldless) a lightening bolt within a stag's attire gules.

[Name] Name registered 11/98.

[Armory] The submitter may have intended this badge to have an argent field, but it is submitted on a fieldless badge submission form and there are no notes indicating he does not want a fieldless design (there is no proposed blazon). If this is, indeed a fieldless badge, it is improperly formed according to RfS VIII.5 because the charges are not conjoined in some fashion. Rather than make assumptions to the submitter's wishes, we are returning this so that the submitter may clarify them. Due to lack of time, this was not checked for conflicts.

Badge returned for poor fieldless style.


Rhael Anedd. New badge. Purpure, a musical note Or within a stag's attire argent.

[Name] Name registered 07/98.

[Armory] This submitter has provided documentation from Carl Parrish's The Notation of Medieval Music to document the style of musical note being used between 1417-1480.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Rónán Ó Tighernaigh. New name and device. Per pale gules and sable, a chevron and in base a boar passant Or.

[Name] Submitted as Ronan O'Tigernaig. The submitter marked no boxes.

Rónán is found in OCM (pg. 157 s.n. Ronan) as a masculine name. "A relatively popular name in early Ireland. According to ecclesiastical sources there were ten saints of the name."

O' Tigernaig is found in MacLysaght, (pg. 286 s.n. (O) Tierney O Tighearnaigh) glossed as "tighearner, lord". It is not dated Also, OCM (pg. 170 s.n.Tigernach: Tighearnach, Tiarnach) show the name used as a masculine, given name dated to the eleventh century. "From this name derives the modern surname O Tighearnaigh (O Tierney)." Ó Tighernaigh is the proper, lenited form.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Ryce Vaghan. New name.

[Name] Submitted as: Ryce Vaghen. The submitter is interested in a masculine name, authentic for 1300's Welsh. If changes must be made, he cares most about the sound.

Ryce is documented from "Late Sixteenth Century Welsh Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/talanWelsh16.htm) as an alternate spelling for Reeice. Also in Morgan and Morgan . 186: n.s. Rhys - Howell and Agnes ap Ryce.

Vaghen is found in Morgan & Morgan (p. 203, s.n. Vaghan, Vaghen, Vahan v. Bychan). Bychan - Vaghan dated to 1325 p. 58, the submitted spelling seems to be dated to 1773. We are changing to documented spelling to conform to the submitter's request for authenticity.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Sadb ingen Abner ui Lorccáin. New device. Purpure, three wake knots conjoined in pall throughout Or.

[Name] This name appeared on the 10/26/05 Letter of Intent.

[Armory] We believe this is clear of Sable, three wake knots inverted conjoined in pall throughout Or (Alexander Baird, 11/89, reblazoned as "inverted" 04/91) with one clear difference for change to the field tincture and a second CD for inverting the primary charge group arrangement.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Seamus O'Domhnaill. New name and device. Argent, a trefoil slipped vert and on a chief azure three crescents argent.

[Name] The submitter desires a masculine name. If changes must be made, he cares most about the Language/Culture, "Irish" which is not indicated on his form, but provided brief documentation indicating the name to be "Irish".

Seamus is found in OCM (p.163, header) as a masculine name. "This name was common among the Anglo-Norman settlers in Ireland and was adopted by the native Irish."

O'Domhnaill is found in MacLysaght (p.85, sn. O'Donnell, O'Domhnaill). "The main sept, one of the most famous in Irish history, especially in the seventeenth century..."

In Black (s.n. Donald, pg. 214), Donald is the Anglicized form of the modern Gaelic name Domhnall, "... in the Gaelic genealogical manuscript of 1467 and in the Gaelic entries in the Book of Deer (c. 1100) it is Domnall."

Unfortunately, this conflicts with Seamus MacDonald, (registered 02/87). The given names are identical, the surnames are related and represent the same relationship.

[Armory] This conflicts with Argent, a shamrock vert and on a chief azure a rose Or barbed vert (Rois inghean Domhnaill, registered 08/02). There is no difference between a shamrock and a trefoil. Therefore, the only clear difference here is for cumulative changes to the tertiaries (see RfS X.4.j).

Name returned for conflict. Device returned for conflict.


Siobhan ingen Chathasaigh. New name.

[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. If changes must be made, she cares most about the Language/Culture, "Irish".

Siobhan is found in OCM (p.165, s.n.Sib'an: Siobhan) as a feminine name. "This is a borrowing of Jehane or Jehanne, a French feminine form of John, which came into favor in the twelfth century."

ingen Chathasaigh, "daughter of Cathasaigh". OCM (p.47, s.n. Cathassach: Cathasach) tells us the name means "vigilant in war" and is a fairly common name dated to 947 (Cathassach mac Gusáin). Chathasaigh is the lenited form.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Stiamha Gruamdha. New device. Or, in pale two badgers statant sable.

[Name] This name appears on the 10/26/05 Letter of Intent from Caid.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Wilhelm of Caid. New badge. Or, an emmet tergiant gules.

Submission pended due to lack of time.


Naevehjem

Geneviève Chapeliere de Soie. New name.

[Name] Submitted as Geneviéve Champelier de Soie, the submitter desires a feminine name and will accept minor but not major changes.

Geneviève is a feminine given name found in Colm Dubh's "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris", KWHS (Meridies), AS XXXI, June 1996. http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html

Chapelier de Soie is an occupational by-name meaning "silk hat maker" found in Colm Dubh's "Occupational By-Names in the 1292 Tax Role of Paris", KWHS, June 2000, p. 11 (also http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/parisbynames.html). The feminine form is Chapeliere. We believe the accent over the third e in Genevieve is an error on the submitter's part. We have corrected the accent. We have changed the name to match the documented form.

Name is approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Isabella de Grey. New name and device. Purpure, a chevron rompu between two roses argent seeded Or, barbed vert, and a fleur-de-lis argent. [Name] The submitter desires a feminine name, in French/English. She will accept minor but not major changes and if changes must be made wants to keep "de Gray" as her husband has submitted a name with that surname.

Isabella in Withycombe (Isabel, p 164), dated to 1199.

de Grey is found in Reaney & Wilson (s.n. Gray, p. 203).

This name conflicts with Isabella Grey (registered 11/93). The addition of the preposition, de is insufficient to clear conflict with a registered SCA name.

[Armory] This conflicts with Caoilinn Mirymuth, Purpure, a chevron rompu between two mullets and a dumbeg argent, (registered 01/03) with one clear difference for change in type of all secondary charges (X.4.e). We feel the changes to barbs and seeds of the roses are insufficient to count as a clear difference via X.4.d. This must also be returned for lack of a name (AH II.A.1) We note that Roses have Five (5) petals, not six, and they have a gentle curve in the middle of each petal to indicate curling.

Name returned for conflict. Device returned for conflict and lack of name.


Kristian sindri. New name.

[Name] The submitter will accept minor but not major changes, and has indicated no other preferences.

Kristian is an Old Norse (Icelandic) masculine given name dated to 1303 found in Lind, vol. 5, columns 717-718 (photocopies attached).

sindri is a nickname meaning "iron-forger" found in Geirr Bassi, p. 27.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Western Seas, Barony of

Art in Gai Bernaig. New name and device. Quarterly argent and Or, a rooster statant within a border embattled sable

[Name] The submitter is interested in an authentic Irish masculine name and cares most about language/culture. He will accept all changes.

Art - The submitter has provided documentation from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Art.shtml indicating Art was used in the nominative form from 700-900, 900-1200 and 1200-1700. Additional research notes on this page indicate the source is OCM (p. 24 s.n. Art) with Art airchinnech Mungairti dated to 1028.

in Gai Bernaig - The submitter has provided documentation from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/inGaiBernaig.shtml which indicates this byname means "[of ] the Broken Spear" and is used in the genitive form from 900-1200. Additional notes on this page from Talan Gwynek indicate the "reasonable normalized early form would be therefore in Gai Bernaig. ..." with Áed in Gai Bergaig mac Taidc in Eich Gil h-Úi Choncobair dated to 1067.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Conn Catha an Dúna. New name and device. Sable, on a fess between three estoilles argent, an estoille sable

[Name] The submitter is interested in an authentic Irish masculine name and cares most about language/culture. He will accept all changes.

Conn - The submitter has provided documentation from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Conn.shtml indicating Conn was used in the nominative form from both 900-1200 and 1200-1700. Additional research notes on this page indicate the source is OCM (p. 58 s.n. Conn) with Conn Ua Meallaigh epscop Eanaigh Dúin dated to 1201 and Conn Craibhdech Ua Flannagáin dated to.

Catha an Dúna - The submitter has provided documentation from from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/DescriptiveBynames/CathaAnDuna.shtml which indicates this byname means [of the] Battle of Down and is used in the genitive form from 1200-1700. Additional research notes on this page indicate the source is OCM (p. 35 s.n. Brian): "The most famous O Neill to bear the name was Brian Catha an Dúna ('of the battle of Down'), who fell fighting the colonists at Down patrick in 1260."

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Niall an Eich Gil. New name and device. Per bend sinister gules and argent, a wolf salient counterchanged

[Name] The submitter is interested in an authentic Irish masculine name and cares most about language/culture. He will accept all changes.

Niall - The submitter has provided documentation from http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/irish100.html indicating 44 cases of Niall in M.A. O'Brien's Corpus Genealogiarum Hiberniae, with Niall being the nominative form and Néill being a common genitive form. This name also appears as a header in OCM, p.145.

An Eich Gil The submitter has provided documentation from http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/ocm/OCM-DesPhrase.html indicating this name to be found in OCM (p.168, header) and means "[of] the bright steed" and is dated to 1030. This was verified.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Order of Precedence Notes

None.


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