Minutes of the October 2, 2005 meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Apr 06 LoAR; Avenel Kellough pended, results on the May 06 LoAR; William Leonhardt results on the Feb 07 LoAR]

Meeting commenced at 11:00 AM.

In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Santin Gold Forest, Vivienne Recorder, Christopher Golden Rose, Catherine de Winter, Rotheric Kynith, John ap Griffin, Faélán Caimbeul, William Leonhardt, Thomas Brownwell, Cassandre Loustaunau, and Jordan.

Dates for future meetings will be: November 06, 2005, December 04, 2005 [subsequently changed to December 11], January 22, 2006, February 05, 2006, March 12, 2006, April 02, 2006, May 07, 2006 and June 25, 2006. The 2006 dates are tentative, as the final kingdom calendar has yet to be published.

Thomas kindly lent his expertise to get the wireless Internet hub operable for all laptops with wireless LAN cards. This is helpful in conducting internet-based research during meetings. Thank you.

GWW is on the horizon - please sign-up to volunteer at the war and make sure you complete a volunteer form so the group of your choice can be credited for your hours. Several events annually share a portion of the profits based on volunteer hours. You can contact Cormac, Bellows at GWW and Queen's Champion Tourney to help with heraldic duties.

Donated to the college - Heraldry, Pagentry and Social Display in Medieval England (Donated by James of the Lake), The Surnames of Wales (Donated by Bruce Draconarius of Mistholm) and a CD from the Proceedings of the Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium (June 23 - 24, 2005 AS XV) (Donated by Jeanne Marie Lacroix), new white board and clips (Donated by Su of the Silver Horn).

Minutes will be available via the SCA-Caid website, via email (send your email address to Su at to be included) or hard copies will be available in the file box. If you do not want hard copies, please let Su know.

Please try to send summaries to Lachlan by Thursday evening to reduce the amount of pre-meeting set-up required.

Pomegranates available from Cassandre's garden... please take them home.

All submissions herein were accepted at the various events, and approved submissions will be forwarded on the December 23, 2005 LoI.

Altavia, Barony of

Thorin O'Seaghdua. New Name and Device. Per pale gules and vert, in chevron an axe and a needle, on a base pointed argent a trefoil vert.

[Name] Thorin is recognizable as a Tolkien name, but in fact it is documentable from Searle (s.n. Thor-, pg. 445) and (s.n. -in, pg. 315). The authors point to the names Eodin (s.n. Eodwine), Ordin (s.n. Ordwine), Cawelin, and Immin as examples of this construction.

Ó Séaghdha is found in MacLysaght (s.n. Shea, pg. 269). The author states that the modern Gaelic form is Ó Sé. We believe this name is close, though clear of the SCA name Thorland O'Shea (Feb. 1990).

The combination of Anglo-Saxon and Gaelic is listed as one step from period practice (Eithne of Cantwaraburg, 10/02).

Unfortunately, while the name appears to be sufficiently documented to be forwarded, we do not have a name form. This must then be returned for administrative reasons (AH IV.c).

[Armory] The depiction is too similar to a per pall inverted field division rather than a charge on a per pale field. By this interpretation this has three charges in the same charge group (aka "slot machine"). We are returning the device for a redraw (RfS VIII 1.a) and lack of a primary name (II.A.1)..

Name returned for lack of forms. Device returned for redraw and lack of primary name.

Angels, Barony of

Catherine le Guste. New Device. Per chevron purpure and quarterly purpure and Or, on a chevron argent three ermine spots sable.

[Name] Approved at the 09/25/05 meeting and forwarded to Laurel on Caid's 10/26/05 LoI.

[Armory] The submitter specifically wants three ermine spots; therefore we are not blazoning this as a chevron ermine.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Gwyneth of the Red Gryphon. Laurel Resub Device. Quarterly azure and Or, a gryphon sejant gules all within a bordure nebuly counterchanged.

[Name] This name was registered 10/04.

[Armory] The submitter's previous design, Quarterly azure and Or, a gryphon sejant gules was returned by Laurel for conflict with Bruce the Long-Winded, Sable, a griffin sejant, sinister foreleg raised, gules, fimbriated Or, maintaining in its beak a bezant (registered 02/80).

While the addition of the border clears the conflict, the border should be wider and the nodules on the nebuly line need to be bigger. Therefore we are returning this device for a redraw (RfS VIII.3).

Device returned for redraw.

Vivienne de Lampérière. New Change of Device. Sable, on a double-headed phoenix Or crested and rising from flames a rose gules barbed vert, seeded argent, within a bordure Or.

[Name] Name registered 05/02.

[Armory] if registered, the submitter wishes to release her current device, Azure, on a double-headed phoenix Or rising from flames a rose gules barbed vert, seeded argent (registered 04/03)

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Zoë Rosalie de Rebelh. New Name and Device. Sable fleury Or, a tiger's head erased argent.

[Name] Originally submitted as Zoë Rosalie de Rebeth. Submitter prefers a feminine name within the English / French Culture. Submitter will allow any changes.

Zoë is found in Withycombe, E.G.: (1977) P. 296, as the name of a third century martyr. Use in England is recent.

Rosalie is found in Withycombe 3rd edition on page 257 as a "12th century Sicilian recluse. The name was used in Italy and spread to France where Rosalie is not uncommon. It has sometimes been borrowed and used in England." Also listed in Dauzat p. 527 "prénom fém. (rares matronymes) sainte italienne du XII s.: n. expressif (du lat. rosa, la rose)" (again, with a mention of the 12th century saint)

de Rebelh is found in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latefrenchfem.html). Checking this site, we do not find the submitted spelling, "de Rebeth". We have changed the spelling to match the documentation.

The given names are documented nine centuries apart, which is one step from period practice, thought registerable.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Calafia, Barony of

Avenel Kellough. Kingdom Resub Badge. Sable, a demon's head erased Or.

[Name] This name was registered 02/86.

[Armory] This emblazon was returned 10/04 by Crescent for conflict with Talanque, Azure, a horned demon's head erased Or (registered 08/78). The submitter has obtained a letter of permission to conflict with Talanque from the executor of his estate, Baroness Rowen Lynn. We note that the two depictions of the demons (Talanque's and Avenel's) are very similar though not identical.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Duncan Falconer. Kingdom Resub Device. Per fess embattled gules and sable, in chief four birds displayed in cross Or and in base, an armored fist palewise argent.

[Name] Name registered 12/04.

[Armory] This submission was returned by Crescent 08/05 for lack of funds. More recently, the missing funds have been located Therefore, we are "automatically" resubmitting this design.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Fáelán Caimbeul. New Name and Device. Gyronny sable and Or, on a lozenge gules a wolf sejant ululant Or.

[Name] Name submitted as Foálan Campbell. The submitter desires a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes and if changes must be made he cares most about the meaning ("'Wolf' or 'Little Wolf'"). He will not permit the creation of a holding name, if necessary.

Faolán is in OC&M (p.92-93, sn Fáelán: Faolán), a masculine name meaning "Wolf". The later spelling is undated, though they note that,

Fáelán is a common early name especially among the royal families of Leinster. There were three kings of Leinster of the name between the seventh and the ninth centuries. According to the ecclesiastical sources, there were fourteen saints called Fáelán

Campbell is found in Black p. 129 ff with the Gaelic spelling listed as Caimbeul.

He prefers Faelan and will accept the change to Caimbeul.

[General] Originally listed as a resubmission from West kingdom. Resubmissions from out-of-kingdom should be handled via the original kingdom, even if the submitter has subsequently moved to a new kingdom. The submitter prefers to move forward at this time, so we are forwarding these as "new".

Name approved as changed, device approved, both forwarded to Laurel.

William Leonhardt. New Name and Device. Quarterly purpure and vert, a lion's head erased Or.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a 13th C English or Anglo-Saxon masculine name. He cares most about the meaning of the last name (brave lion) and has a familial interest in William.

William is found in R&W (s.n. Williams, pg. 493), which lists a Rauf le fuiz William, dated to 1299.

Leonhard is found in R&W (s.n. Leonard, pg. 276), as the Old German origin of the name.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Zora Ravenshaw. New Name.

[Name] The submitter does not care about the gender of the name. The submitter will accept any changes, and if changes must be made, the sound is most important to the submitter.

This name was submitted and approved at the 06/26/05 meeting and forwarded to Laurel on the 08/25/05 LoI. We believe this to be an error on the part of the submitting herald. We are withdrawing this duplicate registration.

Name withdrawn for administrative reasons.

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Ailill Mac Darach. New Device. Argent on a pile inverted wavy vert between two trees proper two axes crossed in saltire Or hafted proper.

[Name] Forwarded to Laurel on Caid's 06/24/05 LoI.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Rutilia Fausta: Request for Reconsideration of Fausta Rutilia.

[Name] The submitter's name was originally returned by Laurel on 03/02, then, upon resubmission, was changed by Crescent and subsequently registered by Laurel 04/05. We will refer to Laurel's LoAR entries, and to the St. Gabriel letter 2206 (Jan, 2001) (http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi/2206.txt), which was the their response to the submitter's original request for her name.

In the 03/02 LoAR, Laurel wrote in response to the original submission Fausta Cornelia Rutilia:

Given this information, Cornelia Fausta and Rutilia Fausta would be registerable forms of this name. However, as the submitter does not allow major changes, we were unable to change the name to one of these forms in order to register the name.

Additionally, the LoI listed Roman women who had names that contained three elements. In both cases, the women were the wives of emperors, and names of members of the imperial family were often more elaborate than was typical for the time. At this time, the use of three element names for women, while largely limited to imperial women, does not seem to be exclusive enough that use of this construction, on its own, would be considered presumptuous. However, as with any name, three element names must follow a documented construction. The submitted Fausta Cornelia Rutilia has the construction cognomen + nomen + nomen, which is not a documented construction pattern.

The submitter resubmitted her name, this time as Fausta Rutilia, and allowed all changes. The Caidan College forwarded the name in the documentable order, Rutilia Fausta, and Laurel passed it without comment (04/05). The St. Gabriel report states:

Unfortunately, your name <Faustus Cornelius Rutilus> is not consistent with either of these systems. None of these elements is an attested praenomen. <Faustus> is a cognomen meaning "of favorable or fortunate omen, fortunate"; it is not attested as a nomen, although the nomina <Faustius>, <Faustinus>, <Faustinius>, and <Faustilius> are similar.

...

In summary, a two-element name consisting of a nomen followed by a cognomen is probably most appropriate for either a man or a woman living in Rome circa 250 CE. The cognomen is the most individually distinctive part of the name. The appropriate forms of each of your elements are summarized below; all can be feminized by replacing the suffix <-us> with <-a>.

nomina: Faustius, Faustinus, Faustinius, Cornelius, Rutilius

cognomina: Faustus, Cornelianus, Rutilus, Rutilianus

We note that the St. Gabriel report found that the name Rutilius was only used as a nomen. The submitter provided documentation from a book published by the Journal of the American Name Society, Onomasticon of Roman Anthroponyms; Explication and Application (Part I). Unfortunately, she misquoted the citation on page 371, misreading "...Rutilus might be handed down in several gentes and borne as cognomina by men who were not red-haired, just as some modern surnames do not fit their present owners" as "Rutilius might...". We note that if the submitter changed the spelling of the last name to Rutila to conform to both the JANS article provided by the submitter, and the St. Gabriel report, and the first name to Faustia, then the name Faustia Rutila might be registerable. Unfortunately, the submitter refuses to accept this name change (per a telephone conversation), so we must return this name because the submitter still hasn't addressed Laurel's original concerns. We reiterate that in order for the name to be registerable, the submitter must show that Faustus was used as a nomen, and that Rutilius was used as a cognomen. Her current documentation fails to satisfy those requirements.

Name returned for lack of documentation.

Rutilia Fausta: Kingdom Resub Device, Per fess embattled Or and gules, a dragonfly sable and two lightning bolts crossed in saltire Or.

[Name] Approved by Laurel 04/05.

[Device] Originally submitted 10/24/05, this device was returned by Laurel 04/05 for a redraw to clarify the image of the dragonfly. The submitter has complied with this request. No conflicts found.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Starkhafn, Barony of

Amatullah Hala Ahlam. New Name.

[Name] Submitter desires a feminine name authentic for 12th century Persian. Submitter will not accept major changes, but will accept minor changes and if changes must be made, she cares most about sound.

Amatullah is found in The Dictionary of Muslim Names by Salahuddin Ahmed, page 238.

Hala is from the same source, page 262

Ahlam is from the same source, page 236

Unfortunately, we do not have the resources to confirm or deny the historical accuracy of this name and appeal to the College for assistance.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

Ercule d'Archambeaux. New Name and Device. Or, in fess a fleur-de-lys between two hounds combatant vert.

[Name] Submitter desires a masculine name authentic for French/Italian 1560-1600. Submitter will not accept any changes.

Submitter did not supply any documentation.

The documented forms of the name are Ercole - Italian (de Felice "Cognomi", pg. 119), Hercule - French (Withycombe, pg. 150),

Archambaud, Archambault - French (Dauzat, pg. 11), Archambault - English (R&W, pg. 13).

[Device] No conflicts found.

Name returned for lack of documentation. Device returned for lack of name.

Finna Albrechtsdottir. New Name.

[Name] Submitter will accept all changes. Submitter cares more about sound.

Finna is found in Geirr Bassi (page 9), and Scandinavian Personal Names in Linclolnshire and Yorkshire, Billian Fellows-Jensen, Page 348

Albrecht Submitter cited Albrecht as a previously registered name, with dottir as a standard patronymic naming practice of the era. Albrecht is found in Bahlow/Gentry 2nd on p.10. " The medieval popularity of the name Albrecht can be explained by the dominating character of St. Adalbert of Prague..." dated to 997.

Middle High German and Old Norse have been ruled as one step from period practice. A fully Norse name would be Finna Albriktsdóttir with Albrikt being found in Geirr Bassi on p. 7. Because the submitter has not requested changes for authenticity, we are forwarding this name as submitted.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.

NOTE FROM CRESCENT (January 30, 2006) - After publication of the hardcopy minutes, this decision was found to be in error. "Albrechtsdottir" combines the German "Albrecht" with the Old Norse "dottir" which is not allowed according to RfS III.a. This name therefore was forwarded on the December 23, 2005 Letter of Intent as "Finna Albriktsdóttir".

Mina de Valencia y Alcaçar. Kingdom Resub. Device. Gules, a medusa's head Or.

[Name] The submitter's name appears on Caid's 06/24/05 LoI.

[Armory] Her previous device, Gules a tierce argent was returned for conflict with the arms of Bahrain, Gules, a dexter tierce indented argent. This is a complete redesign.

This design conflicts with Francesca Lucia d'Alberto dei Lorenzi (Fieldless) A gorgon's head cabossed Or (registered 07/94). We suggest the possible redesign - combine this submission and the previous submission giving: Gules, a dexter tierce argent and a medusa's head Or.

Device returned for conflict.

Order of Precedence Notes

None.

Bibliography

Ahmed, Salahuddin, The Dictionary of Muslim Names

American Name Society, Journal of, "Onomasticon of Roman Anthroponyms; Explication and Application (Part I)"

Bahlow, Hans. Dictionary of German Names. translated by Edda Gentry, University of Wisconsin, Madison: Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, 1967, English version: 2002. [Bahlow/Gentry 2nd]

Black, George F. The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York: The New York Public Library, 1946. Ninth printing, 1989. [Black]

Dauzat, Albert. Dictionnaire Étymologique des Noms de Famille et Prénoms de France. Paris: Librairie Larousse, 1987. Reviewed and augmented by Marie-Thérèse Morlet. [Dauzat]

De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986. [Cognomi]

Fellows-Jensen, Billian, Scandinavian Personal Names in Linclolnshire and Yorkshire

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Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press, 3rd ed. 1995. [R&W]

Searle, William George. Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum. 1897. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press,. Facsimile ed. 1969.

Talan Gwynek, "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latefrenchfem.html.

Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press 3rd ed. 1977. [Withycombe]

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