Minutes of August 2005 Meeting * Caid College of Heralds

[Note: These submissions appear on the Jan 06 LoAR; Kater^ina Magdaléna Stoyanovna's name is on the Feb 06 LoAR; Elizaveta Arievna Lebedeva's device was reblazoned on the Feb 07 LoAR]

In attendance were: Lachlan Crescent, Su Dolphin, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Balthazar Seraph, Martin (Al Sahid), Vivienne Recorder, Thomas Brownwell, Kurt Sommelier, Rotheric Kynith, Catherine de Winter, Mary Blue Mountain, Christopher Golden Rose, and Cassandre Loustaunau.

This being the first meeting at the home of Lachlan Crescent, Lachlan and Cassandre detailed many common-sense house rules, including public areas and private areas, no food in the living room, drinks only on coasters, don't pester the baby or the animals (or Cassandre), etc.

The schedule for the rest of the year: September 11th, October 2nd, November 6th, and December 4th.

Dolphin Herald is instituting "Dolphin Drawings", giving away to those heralds in attendance such items as organizers, folders, pens, etc. as a thank-you for everyone who attends.

Submissions marked with "*" were accepted at May Potrero War. Submissions marked with "†" were accepted at Starkhafn Collegium of the Desert. Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the September 21, 2005 Letter of Intent.

al-Sahid, Shire of

[Name] The submitter does not care about the gender of the name. She will accept no changes.

Saint Blaise (Armenia, a.d. 316) is found in The Catholic Community Forum (http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/saintb04.htm) references the listing under Blaise. It also provides the alternate spelling, Blase and the Memorial (Saint Day) as February 3rd. Variants of this name are also found in Dauzat (s.n. "Blais", pg. 46). The name is found in the submitted spelling in Withycombe, where the author states that the name was popular in England in the Middle Ages. In Fucilla's "Our Italian Surnames" (p.4) there is a reference to the calendar of the saints as a popular repertoire from which names are chosen. In addition, saints' names are generally registerable as given names for SCA. We have no direct evidence of the use of this name in Italy, so we have to forward this as an English-Italian combination. This combination has been ruled one step from period practice, though registerable (09/99 Veronica de Holloway).

Morgane is found in Black, (s.n. Morgan, p.611). "John Morgane was burgess of Glasgow, 1419."

Martin Monteyro do Monte. New device. Sable, on a chevron vert fimbriated, three sheaves of arrows argent.

[Armory] As submitted, the arrows are quite small and hard to distinguish. The submitter was present and altered them to make them clearer.

Valdis Isbrandsdottir. New device. Sable, in bend three valknuts between two bendlets argent.

Angels, Barony of

Anastasiia is found as the feminine version of Anastasii in Wickenden 2nd Ed p. 6 glossed as "Arisen, resurrected". It is dated to 1225.

We were unable to find the submitted spelling of the second given name. Wickenden 2nd Ed p. 257-258 has Vera (f) -- "faith." It is Dated to 1356. We further noted that "Wierga" is listed as a variant spelling. After additional consultation, the submitter decided she prefers the latter spelling.

Ivanova is "daughter of Ivan". This patronymic construction is found on page xix of Wickenden 2nd Ed and marked as a "common" form.

* Duncan Falconer. New device. Per fess embattled gules and sable, in chief four birds displayed in cross Or and in base, an armored fist palewise argent.

[Armory] This war submission did not arrive with a payment. It must be returned for lack of funds (AH IV.D). It was found free of conflicts at this time.

[Name] The submitter's original submission was returned at Kingdom at the 12/04 meeting. The submitter has checked none of the boxes.

Kater^ina and Magdaléna are Found in Walraven's article on "Common Czech Names" at http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/walraven/lateczech, as common Czech women's names recorded in the 15th and 16th centuries.

Stoyanovna - The patronymic form of "Stoyan", found in Paul Wickenden 2nd Ed, where "Stoyan" is a variant of "Stogan" (p.229). On page xix he explains the formation of feminine patronymics (#4), where the author gives the example "Anton becomes Antonovna". We note that the name "Stoyan" is also found in Talan Gwynek's "Notes on Surnames in German Names from Kosice" on http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/kosice, where the name "Stoyan" is listed as a patronymic from the Slavic "Stojan".

* Kay Adde. Resub kingdom device. Azure, a polar bear rampant and four wolf's teeth issuant from sinister argent.

[Armory] The submitter's previous submission, Per pale azure and sable a bear rampant and four wolf's teeth issuant from sinister argent was returned by Crescent 06/04 for appearance of marshalling. Making the field a single tincture fixes this problem.

Ulrich Einarsson. Resub kingdom device. Per fess rayony gules semy of swords Or, and Or, a phoenix gules.

[Armory] On 06/24/05, Crescent returned the submitter's previous design, Sable, a saltire Or, overall a phoenix gules, its flames pierced by a sword palewise inverted argent, for multiple problems, including poor contrast and the inability to blazon (non-period style). This is a complete redesign.

While the field could be described as, "Per fess rayony gules semy of swords, and Or,..." we believe the blazon above is clearer, even if it sounds a little redundant.

Wolferam Zenthffeer. New name and device. Sable, a saltire Or and overall a Phoenix gules, and in chief a rapier fesswise argent.

[Name] Submitted as Wolferam von Zenthffeer. The submitter desires a masculine name and will accept all changes.

Zenthffeer is found in "Notes on Surnames in German Names from Kosice, 1300-1500" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/kosice/). " The first element appears to be German Zent 'a judicial district comprising 100 villages', later 'governing body of a village'. The second element, -feer, may be from Middle High German ver(e) 'boatman, ferryman', though the sense of such a compound isn't entirely clear." This is not a locative, it is a surname. Therefore, the use of "von" (from) is not appropriate. We have dropped this word.

[Armory] A charge that is overall must have good contrast with the field, not the charge it overlies. Thus, since the gules phoenix has poor contrast with the sable field. This must be returned (RfS VIII.2.b.i).

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for lack of contrast.

Calafia, Barony of

* Henrik der Herzhaft. Resub kingdom device. Per saltire vert and sable, a demon's head caboshed argent.

[Armory] Crescent returned the submitter's previous submission, Per chevron inverted sable and vert, a gargoyle's head cabossed argent in 11/01 because the primary charge was not identifiable and the ambiguity of the field division. As a period of greater than one year has elapsed since this submission, there will have to be a charge for this resubmission.

We considered the possible conflict with (Fieldless) A seraph's head Argent (B: Vasili iz Naitemneshoi Dolina 08/84). We believe it is reasonable to assume there is a clear difference between the two types of heads. We note that, typically, horned heads receive one clear difference from the same type of head with no horns and winged charges typically get one clear difference from the same charge with no wings.

Dreiburgen, Barony of

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name, authentic to 12th - 15th C Irish.

The submitter documented the first given name as a contraction of two Irish names, Brigh, (OCM p. 36, s.n. Bríg: Brígh) and Móirne (OCM p.138, s.n. Móirne). We are unaware of a pattern of such contractions in Irish Gaelic.

Caointiarn is a feminine name found in OCM (p.43, s.n. Caíntigern: Caointiarn) of which is said, "The most famous bearers of this name were Caíntigern, wife of Cellach Cualann, king of Leinster (†715)." Note that the submitted spelling is the modern (post 1200) spelling.

Ban ui Dháire means "decendant of Dáire" The name is found in OCM (p.68-69, s.n. Dáire).

O'hAllmhurháin is found in Maclysaght (p.143, s.n. (O) Halloran), glossed as "pirate or stranger from overseas".

We are unable to justify the combination of these name elements and the four-element construction of the name, so the name must be returned for these reasons (RfS III.1). In order to arrive at the submitter's desire for authenticity, we recommend that the submitter stick to the best-documented elements and choose spellings from a single period. "Caointiarn O Halloran" might be a nice post-11th C name. The earlier spelling of the same name would be "Caíntigern O'hAllmhurháin."

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes to the name, and if changes must be made, she cares most about the sound.

Dananir in found in Islamic Names by Anne Marie Schimmel, p. 43 "Early Arabic female names are sometimes nouns in the plural, like Darahim and Dananir..."

al Attar is found in A Dictionary of Muslim Names by Salahuddin Ahmed, p. 23, Attar (A), perfumer. Farid-ud-Din Attar dated 1229 was a Persian mystic poet.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the meaning, "loom maker".

Loomwright - found in J. R. Dolan's "English Ancestral Names - The Evolution of the Surname from Medieval Occupations" p. 140 Group 64, makers of loom equipment: Loomwright. Dolan indicates this series of names derive from very specialized occupations of the period,"The loom was, of course, the most important piece of equipment in the whole wool trade in medieval times. The ordinary carpenter of that period would hardly undertake making a loom. ... LOOM, LOOMER, LOOMIS and LOOMWRIGHT are still with us."

We have checked the OED which lists under the heading wright the following occupations: Cartwright, housewright, ploughwright, shipwright, timberwright, wainwright, and wheelwright. We have not found a specific date, but are believe that the construction of this occupational byname is reasonable.

Mary Dedwydd verch Gwallter. Resub Laurel device. Vert estencilly, on a pile ploye argent, a brunette mermaid proper maintaining in each hand an escallop vert.

[Armory] Laurel returned an earlier design, Vert, three piles argent, each charged in chief with a flame azure for conflict 09/02. In 10/03, Crescent returned her resubmission, Azure estencilly argent, on a pile ploye Or, a brunette mermaid proper maintaining in each hand an escallop vert for redraw (pile drawn incorrectly). This blazon fixes this problem.

[Name] The submitter wishes an authentic Irish, masculine name. He is interested in the meaning, the sound and the language/culture (all three boxes checked). He believes the surname means "sea warrior, chieftain of the sea".

Morgan is found in OCM (s.n. "Murchad", pg. 142) as a modern Anglicization of several Irish names. The author also notes that it is a Welsh name. We then found it in Morgan & Morgan as the header (pg. 168), with no dates in this specific spelling but they note that the spelling changed from "Morcant" to "Morgan" in the medieval period.

O'hAllmhuráin is found in MacLysacht (s.n. "O'Halloran", pg. 142), as the early form of the (Anglicized) header.

We cannot justify the combination of these name elements, with Welsh prenom, Irish patronymic, and early Irish occupational byname. The name must be returned for these reasons (RfS III.1).

Gyldenholt, Barony of

[Armory] This design conflicts with the badge of Drei Eichen for the Ordo Gladiorum Aureorum, Azure, an acorn Or (10/96). There is only one CD for addition of the wings (RfS X.4).

* Matheus Fáelán Reyner. New name and device. Quarterly sable and argent, a winged sword inverted wings elevated and inverted counterchanged.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept all changes, and if changes must be made, he cares most about the sound.

Fáelán is found in OCM (s.n. Fáelán: Faolán, p. 92) with the note, "Fáelán is a common early name especially among the royal families of Leinster." This Irish name in an otherwise English name is one step from period practice. The submitted spelling is the "early" form, that is, pre 1200. We do not believe this introduces an additional step from period practice due to temporal incompatibilities. Assuming the name was used throughout the period, the early spelling would be contemporary with the other name elements.

Reyner - This is one of the header spellings in R&W (s.n. "Rayner", p. 373) and is dated in this spelling to 1286.

Sáerlaith is found in OCM (p.160-161). It is the spelling before the colon (pre 1200). It is glossed as "noble princess". According to OCM, "This early name was borne by the mother of Máel Brigte mac Dornáin, abbot of Armagh."

Neill is found in OCM (s.n. "Niall", p. 145). This spelling is undated. OCM notes, "...regained its popularity, in the for Néill, among the ODonnells, O Quins, O Kellys and other northern families down to the end of the nineteenth century."

Lyondemere, Barony of

Elizaveta Arievna Lebedeva. Resub kingdom device. Gules, a winged panther rampant contourny argent incensed and a base rayonny Or.

[Name] Submitter's name was forwarded on the 08/25/05 Letter of Intent from Caid.

[Armory] Submitter's previous design, Gules, a winged panther contourny argent incensed Or, was returned by Crescent 06/05 for conflict with Windmaster's Hill, Order of the Tempest, Gules, a winged domestic cat salient and maintaining a sword palewise argent. (registered 04/90). The addition of the base provides the necessary second clear difference.

Starkhafn, Barony of

Alexis Davis. New name and device. Purpure, on a bend sable fimbriated a tree palewise argent.

[Name] The submitter does not care about the gender of the name, and wants a name authentic for 16th century England. The submitter accepts all changes and, if changes must be made, is most concerned with sound.

Alexis is found as the header in Withycombe (p. 14). "...the name of a 5th-C Roman saint. It has always been used more in the Eastern than Western church, and is particularly common in Russia." Its use as a saint name may be sufficient to justify its use in the SCA, with St. Alexis found in Dauzat (pg. 6) dated to the 11th C. If not, the submitter has included copies of her driver's license as backup documentation for the name via the Mundane Name Allowance.

Davis is found in Reaney and Wilson, (s.n. Davies, Davis, Daviss, Daves, Davys, p.128). The closest dated spelling is Richard Davys, 1402. Header spellings in Reaney and Wilson are generally acceptable for use in the SCA.

[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor, but not major changes to the name, and if changes must be made, she is most interested in the sound.

Jacqueline is found in Withycombe (s.n. Jacqueline, p. 170). "F. French f. dim. of Jacques probably introduced from Flanders. Found from time to time from 13th to 17th century." Found also in Dauzat (s.n. Jacques, p.338-339) "... (fem) Jacqueline, n. de bapt. Correspondant a' Jacques des le XIVe s." [feminine Jacqueline, baptismal name, corresponding to Jacques of the 14th century]

de la Lane is found in Reaney & Wilson, (s.n. Lane, p. 271) with Ralph de la Lane dated to 1176.

We note the similarity of the name to that of celebrity Jack LaLanne. We think the resemblance is not so egregious as to require return for obtrusive modernity.

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Minutes of the August 7, 2005 meeting