Minutes of the 19 December 2004 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the May 05 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin,
Selene Aurum, Su Battlement, Eirikr Gold Phoenix,
Hrorek Chevron, Illuminada Silver Trumpet, Santine Gold
Forest, Cormac Bellows, Vivienne de Lampérière,
Balthazar Seraph, Grimr Fairhair, Kurt von Ariksleva
Sommelier, Thomas Brownwell, Diego Rivera, Una Manuitsbrekka, Cassadre
Loustaunau, Rotherik Kynith, Catherine de Winter, Astriðr, Elizabeth
Goodchild, Jared Alexandre Blaydeaux.
The schedule for 2005 (as of now): January 23rd, February 27th, March 20th
(April Crown name/armory submissions due), April 24th, May 15th, June 12th or
19th (whichever on is not QC Equestrian, which is not yet on the Kingdom
calendar), July 10th, August 7th, September 11th (Sept. Crown name/armory
submissions due), October 2nd, November 6th, and December 4th (Yule party
follows the meeting).
Recently, several submissions have been returned from Laurel for having too
small an emblazon on the forms. This is not because the submitter drew in their
own, non-standard emblazon. Rather this is because the forms had been
accidentally photo reduced. After some investigation, we've determined the
likely source for these photo reduced forms. They are a result of printing out
the forms available on the Caid web page via the Adobe Acrobat plugin for
Internet Explorer, Netscape or other web browser programs. The Adobe Acrobat
plugin has a check box on its print dialogue labeled "Shrink oversized
pages to paper size." If this checkbox is checked, the image is shrunk so
that the whole thing (including margins) fits within the largest possible
margins on the printer. This checkbox is checked by default.
It is important to make sure this box is not checked when printing
out the forms available on the Caid web page. Failure to do so may result in
your submission being returned.
It is also likely that printouts of electronic forms have been used as source
for duplication and distribution by consulting heralds. If you have forms you
keep for this purpose, please measure them. If the emblazon on your forms is
smaller than the minimum (see below), you should dispose of them. If the
emblazon on your forms are larger than the minimum but smaller than standard,
they may be used with caution.
- Device emblazon (Shield shape): 4-1/2" X 5-1/2" minimum. Standard
Caid forms are 5-2/8" X 6".
- Device emblazon (Lozenge shape): 4-1/2" X 5-1/2"? minimum.
Standard Caid forms are 4-9/16" X 6-2/8".
- Badge emblazon (standard or fieldless): 4-1/2" diameter minimum.
Standard Caid forms are 4-9/16" diameter.
The signers on the College's bank account should be 1) Martha Ranc (Jeanne
Marie), 2) Ian McIntosh (Lachlan), 3) Mark Wroth (Erikr), 4) Deborah Fox
(Richenda), and 5) Steve Kelly (Edgar).
Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the January 28, 2005
Letter of Intent
Angels, Barony of
Kate{rv}ina Ludmila Magdaléna Stoyanova -- New
Name
[Name] The submitter desires a feminine name. No other boxes are marked. The
submitter will accept all forms of last name: Stojan, Stoyan, Stoyanova &
Stoyanovna.
The names Kate{rv}ina, Ludmila and Magdaléna are found in "Common
Czech Names of the 15th & 16th Centuries" by Walraven van Nijmegen
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/walraven/lateczech/),
all common feminine Czech names in the 15th and 16th centuries. Nebuly notes in
the article, "All spellings given in the list below are the standard
modern ones, and are not necessarily those used before 1600. Several characters
have a hacek (which looks like a small "v") over them in the
source material. This is represented in the list below by a caret (^) after the
letter."
Guntram von Volkenstein and Talan Gwynk's "Notes on Surnames in
"German Names from Kosice, 1300 - 1500"
(www.s-gabriel.org/names/guntram/kosice.htm)
lists Stoyan as a patronymic surname based on the Slavic Stojan. The submitter
believes that Stoyanova is the feminine form of that byname.
The documentation provided does not support three given names in a period,
Czech name. The college sought the advice of Nebuly Pursuivant, (Walraven van
Nijmegen). Nebuly writes:
Slavic names never included three given names, and double given names have
so far only been documented solidly from Russian (where one is a Christian and
one a Russian native name).
So far as I know, Czech and its neighboring Slavic languages never used
unmarked patronyms, so we can't interpret any of the additional given names as
patronymics.
My recommendation is to ask the submitter to choose just one of the given
names and attach Stoyanova, though I'd also advise her to allow minor changes,
since I'm not sure that that would be the best spelling of the patronym for
period Czech.
This must be returned for lack of documentation of the name construction.
Name returned for lack of documentation.
Calafia, Barony of
Iðuna breiðrazi -- Kingdom Resub Device:
Sable, a valknut argent within a bordure counter-compony gules and
argent
[Name] Her name appears on Caid's October 28th LoI.
[Armory] Her previous submission, with the same blazon, was returned by
Crescent 09/04 as the emblazon size was smaller than the minimum accepted by
Laurel. This resubmission is on a standard Caidan form.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gyldenholt, Barony of
Gaius Brutus Gracchus -- Kingdom Resub Device:
Sable, on a bend sinister between a bulldog statant contourny and a
bulldog statant argent, four quatrefoils slipped vert.
[Name] His name appears on Caid's December 18th LoI.
[Device] His previous device, with the same blazon, was returned by Crescent
10/04 for a redraw as the animals were not identifiable. According to the
article "May I Use a Collie In My Arms" by Ammalyne Starchild
Haraldsdottir (KWHS Proceedings, Meridies, Oct 82, p.49), the Bulldog is
"definitely" period, dating from England in the 13th C.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Heatherwyne, Shire of
Ysoude de Rochester -- New Name
[Name] The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will allow minor
but not major changes.
Ysoude is found in R&W (s.n. Issard, p. 250),
dated in this spelling to 1186-1210.
de is a locative preposition, "of".
Rochester is found in Bardsley (s.n. Rochester, p.
650) with the earliest citations Avicia de Rofa and Ralph de Roff' dated 1273.
Thomas Rochester is dated to 1549. R&W (s.n. Rochester, p. 380) dates
Turoldus (de) Rouecestra to 1086 and Robert Rouchestre to 1377. No dates are
provided for this spelling, though header spellings are generally
registerable.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Starkhafn, Barony of
Emmeline Dernelove -- New Device.
Argent, a heart gules within a Bowen knot crosswise sable.
[Name] Her name appears on Caid's October 28th LoI.
[Armory] This is a Bowen knot because of the rounded points; a Bowen cross
has sharp corners. Blazons that appear to describe this orientation in the
Ordinary include:
- "…a Bowen knot set crosswise…" (1992)
- "…a Bowen knot crosswise…" (1988x3, 1990, 1993,
1994, 1996x4, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003)
- "…a Bowen knot in cross…" (1975, 1976, 1979, 1981,
1987, 1992)
We are unsure of the orientation "a Bowen knot saltirewise"
(Rhonwen Alyna Nic an Chrosáin, 08/94) but expect that it is the
standard Bowen knot. We have chosen the most common, and most recently used,
blazon for this submission.
This conflicts with Bordermarch, Barony of, Argent, a heart gules and a
sinister tierce raguly sable (10/95), with a single CD for changing the
type of secondary (tierce to Bowen knot). While technically clear by RfS X.1,
we believe there may be a visual conflict according to RfS X.5 with Darcy
Graham, Argent, a bowen knot in cross sable (02/81). This is unlikely
to conflict with Morguesa McKenna, Argent, a heart gules pierced by a sword
inverted proper, entwined with a garden rose gules slipped and leaved vert
(01/81), as the sword is probably large enough to count as a co-primary (or
sustained) charge.
Device returned for conflict.
OP Notes
None.
Bibliography
Ammalyne Starchild Haraldsdottir, "May I Use a Collie In My Arms?"
KWHS Proceedings, Meridies, Oct 82, p.49
Bardsley, Charles, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames
Guntram von Wolkenstein and Talan Gwynek, "German Names from Koisce,
1300-1500".
www.s-gabriel.org/names/guntram/kosice.htm.
Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames
Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press, 3rd ed. 1995. [R&W]
Walraven van Nijmegen, "Common Czech Names of the 15th & 16th
Centuries"
http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/walraven/lateczech/
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