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Minutes of the 20 June 2004 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Dec 04 LoAR. More on Fearghus Mac Lochlainn the Elder on the Oct 05 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin, Islyle le Gannoker de Gavain, Selene Aurum, Christopher Golden Rose, Thomas Brownwell, Hrorek Chevron, Kean Trident, Kurt Sommelier, Eridana Ambra Dragotta and Angus Seraph.

The next heraldry meetings will be: July 11th, August 8th, September 12th, October 24th, November 21st, and December 12th. There will be a road show at Collegium on September 26th. If you can spend some time at that meeting, it will be appreciated. Quarterly reports are due by the July meeting.

At Coronation Their Majesties Direk and Levana granted Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme a personal heraldic title to be chosen in consultation with the heralds. They also granted the title Chevron Herald to Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood and the title Furison Herald to James of the Lake. Also at Coronation Islyle le Gannoker de Gavain became a member of the Order of the Dolphin. At Gyldenholt Anniversary Umberto Gold Forest became a member of the Order of the Crescent. Congratulations to all!

Please make sure that the people in your territory are aware of the following:

As the Court is a place of safety, secured by the Queen's Guard and the Chivalry, there is no need for you to bring live steel before the Thrones. The Queen's Guard will be happy to hold your blades for you while you have business with Their Majesties. Those in direct fealty to the Crown (e.g., peers and territorial barons and baronesses) may wear their blades.

Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the July 30, 2004 Letter of Intent.


Caid, Kingdom of

Caid, Kingdom of - Transfer of Heraldic Title [Chevron Herald]

The title Chevron Herald was registered to the kingdom of Caid in 09/85. The title was registered for the use of Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood and was granted to him as a personal title at Coronation by Their Majesties Direk and Levana (June 5, 2004). A copy of the letter given to Hrorek when the title was granted to him is included.

Transfer approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Caid, Kingdom of - Change of Designator and Transfer of Heraldic Title [Furison Herald]

The title Furison Pursuivant was registered to the kingdom of Caid in 03/00. The title was registered for the use of James of the Lake and was granted to him as a personal title at Coronation by Their Majesties Direk and Levana (June 5, 2004). As this title is being transferred to James, we request that the rank the designator be changed to Herald to match his rank. A copy of the letter given to James when the title was granted to him is included.

Transfer approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of

Duncan Falconer - New Name

The submitter has marked no boxes on the form.

Duncan is found as a masculine given name in "Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names" by Sharon Krossa (updated 7 Dec 2001, http://www.MedievalScotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/). This spelling is dated to 1500, 1505, 1511, and 1514.

Falconer is found as a surname dated to 1502, 1507 and 1520 in the same article.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Fu Ching Lan - Kingdom Resub Badge:

Per pale sable and argent two tigers combattant within a bordure "fleury-counter-fleury" counterchanged

Her name was registered 04/02. Her previous submission, Per pale sable and argent, a natural tiger queue forche and a dragon within a bordure "fleury-counter fleury" counterchanged, was returned by Crescent at the 04/04 meeting for the appearance of marshalling. In addition, the bordure fleury-counter-fleury was not properly drawn. While this is an improvement on the previous submission, we note that the inner edge of the bordure is not fleury-counterfleury, but instead is a bordure with several fleurs surmounting and counterchanged across the inner edge of the bordure. Seraph has been provided with a drawing of a proper fleury-counter-fleury line division.

Badge returned for redraw.


Kay Adde - New Name and Device:

Per pale azure and sable, a bear rampant and four wolves teeth issuant from sinister argent

The submitter has marked no boxes on the form.

Kay is found in Bahlow/Gentry as a Frisian personal name (s.n Kay, p. 289). It is undated, though the alternate Kai is found in "Hans Andersen's fairy tale of the snow queen."

Adde is found in Bahlow/Gentry (s.n. Adde, Adden, p. 4) as an Old Frisian short-form of Ada-wolf. The entries show this as a given name (e.g., Adde Wyersna, 1461). We are unsure if this is a valid surname, as German patronymics seem to be placed in the genitive form. In this case, it seems that Adden would be the form of if used as a patronymic. Ade is found in Bahlow/Gentry (s.n Adam, p. 4) as a genitive form of 'Adam.' Martin Ade is dated 1438 and Heinrich Ade is dated 1255. The consulting herald was present and noted that even though none of the boxes were checked that the submitter wants the sound of 'add.' This is registerable as Kay Ade and may be registerable as Kay Adde, therefore it will be forwarded to Laurel.

The device appears to impale the arms Azure, a bear rampant argent and Sable, four wolves teeth issuant from sinister argent; this violates RfS XI.3 - Marshalling.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for the appearance of marshalling.


Calafia, Barony of

Alys Tyrrell - New Device:

Azure, on a chevron argent four musical notes azure and in base a sea lion erect argent

Her name was registered 11/03.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Anne de Guise - New Name

Submitted as Anne Epona de la Guise

The submitter is interested in a French feminine name, though does not request changes for authenticity. She will accept minor but not major changes, though she does allow Epona and the de la to be dropped if necessary.

Anne is found in "Given Names from Brittany, 1384-1600" by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latebreton.html) where it is dated to 1535, 1543, and 1549. It is also dated to 1528 in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latefrenchfem.html).

Epona is found as the name of a goddess in Lempreiere's Classical Dictionary. We found no evidence that the name was used by humans in period. The submitter understands that Epona may not be registerable, and she is willing to allow it to be dropped.

Guise is found in Reaney & Wilson (s.n. Guise, p. 208), dated in this spelling to 1663. Early forms of the name include de Guuiz and de Gyse. We have kept the locative preposition de and dropped the definite article la. We note that June LoAR from Alisoun Laurel mentions "François de Lorraine le Balafre who was the Duke de Guise in the mid-sixteenth century".

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Avery del Marre - New Badge:

Argent an increscent within eight triangles in annulo bases to center sable

His name was registered 04/03. The submitter intends that the triangles always be in a circle, thus in annulo rather than an orle. We are aware that the number of triangles would not normally be blazoned but the blazon seems clearer with the number mentioned and expresses the submitter's wishes more thoroughly. While the triangles are drawn rather too small, we believe they are identifiable as is. We recommend the submitter draw them larger in the future, though avoid making the triangles touch each other.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Caitríona of Lindisfarne - Resub. Kingdom Name

Submitted as Caitríona Lindisfarne. The submitter does not care about gender. She will allow all changes and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound. She explicitly allows the change to "of Lindisfarne" if necessary to register the name. Her previous submission, Catriona MacDonaghy was returned by Crescent at the 02/04 meeting for conflict with Catriona MacDhonnachaidh.

Caitríona is found in OCM (s.n. Caiterína:Caitríona, Catraoine, p. 45) where it states "The name became popular in Ireland through Norman and English influence and was well-established among the Irish aristocracy by the fifteenth century."

is one of the Gaelic patronymics, and is not applicable since Lindisfarne is not a Gaelic prenom.

Lindisfarne is found in Ekwall (q.v., Lindisfarne, pp. 298-299) with the dated spelling Lindisfarna in 779 and the note that Bede c. 730 used insula Lindisfarnensis, ecclesia Lindisfaronensis. We do not know the Gaelic spelling for this location, so we are using the English spelling and claiming the Lingua Anglica allowance. The surname combines Gaelic and English in the same name phrase, which is not allowed. We have therefore changed this to Caitríona of Lindisfarne.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Lonán ua Conaill - New Device Change:

Per bend sinister embowed to base argent and azure, in chief a raven rising wings elevated and addorsed sable

The submitter's name and current device were registered 08/01. If this is registered he wishes his current device, Per pale argent and azure, three triquetras counterchanged, to be retained as a badge. The submitter's badge, (Fieldless) A raven rising sable, was returned by Crescent at the 04/04 meeting for conflict. For purposes of payment, this is a resubmission and thus there is no charge.

The submitter is aware that the embowing is an artistic variant of a straight line of division. Nonetheless he would like for the curve be included in the blazon to ensure a closer recreation of the emblazon.

We believe this is clear of Atai Tetsuko (12/95), (Fieldless) An eagle displayed bendwise sable. There is a CD for adding the field. There should be another CD for the changes in wing position (displayed versus elevated and addorsed). This is analogous to the precedent of Alyna Duchez, Argent, a raven rising wings elevated and addorsed sable beaked and membered gules maintaining in its dexter claw a heart sable all within a bordure nebuly azure: "Clear of Cigfran Myddrael Joserlin the Raven, Argent a raven rising reguardant wings disclosed proper in its dexter claw a sword gules, with CDs for the addition of the bordure and for the posture of the wings (elevated and addorsed versus displayed)." (09/95 LoAR A-Middle)

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Margeret Kerne - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed she cares most about the sound.

Margeret is found as a feminine given name in "Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names" by Sharon Krossa (updated 7 Dec 2001, http://www.MedievalScotland.org/scotnames/lowland16/) where it is dated 1503.

Kerne is in Ekwall (s.n. Kerne, p. 273), cweorn OE 'quern, mill,' where it is dated to 1272 in the form "Kernebrigges" meaning "Kerne Bridge."

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Serena Nickolei - New Device:

Vert, a chevron Or between two crosses of Cleeves argent and a horse rampant Or

Her name was registered 11/99.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Valeriana Wascedale - New Name

Submitted as Valeriana Wasdale. The submitter desires a feminine name. She will allow minor though not major changes. She explicitly will allow a change to "Wascedale".

Valeriana is found in De Felice Nomi (p. 349) as derivative of the header Valerio. Our collective Italian was insufficient for a proper translation, but our best guess is that De Felice wrote that the variants of Valerio have been used as numerous saint names both masculine and feminine and they have been used as both given names and surnames ("sostenuto dal culto di numerosi santi e sante, e in parte dal prestigio classico di personaggi della storia romana, cosi denominati, il getilizio e soprannome").

Wascedale is found in Ekwall (s.n. Wasdale, p. 499) dated to 1282. The name is glossed as "valley of the stream or lake". We are changing the spelling of the surname to the dated form as is permitted by the submitter.

An Italian-English name is registerable but is a weirdness (q.v., Veronica de Holloway, 09/99).

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Fearghus Mac Lochlainn the Elder - Kingdom Resub Name and Device:

Gules, two pallets indented between three arrows argent

Submitted as Fearghus Mac Lochloinn.

The submitter desires a masculine name. He will allow all changes and if the name must be changed he cares most about the sound. The submitter's previous name, Fearghus MacLachlainn, was returned by Crescent at the 10/03 meeting for direct conflict with Feargus MacLachlainn (04/98, Middle). At this time, his device submission was pended.

Precedent implies, but does not state, that a letter of permission to conflict is required: "The name implies close relationship to William Schuyler, whose name was registered in August 1987. This is in fact intentional: William is the submitter's father, and has given his consent to this submission. [01/01, A-Caid]. Crescent believes that a case could be made that "the Elder" and "the Younger" do not imply a specific relationship and may be registerable without permission to conflict.

RS VI.3 states that "Names that unmistakably imply identity with or close relationship to a protected person or literary character will generally not be registered." The explanatory text is:

Explicit claims to descend from a particular person, such as Edwin fitzWilliam Marshall or Rhys ap Cariadoc of the Bow will not be registered. (The latter could be registered with a letter of permission from Cariadoc of the Bow. ) However, since there are many people named William and Cariadoc, Edwin fitzWilliam or Rhys ap Cariadoc would not conflict by themselves. In some cases a unique name, surname, or epithet is so closely related to an individual that its use alone can imply relationship to that individual. There is only one family that uses the name Baggins of Bag End, so Joan Baggins of Bag End would not be appropriate.

"the Elder" is not a claim of relationship, it simply differentiates this Fearghus, son of Lachlan from another Fearghus, son of Lachlan in the same community (the SCA in this case). He is simply claiming to be the elder of the two Fearghus's, regardless of any kinship.

Fearghus is found as the header on p. 184 of Woulfe. It is also found in Ó Corráin & Maguire (s.n. Fergus:Fearghus, p. 97). OCM state "Fergus is an extremely common name in the early period." They also state "The name survived even in Co. Dublin down to the end of the nineteenth century."

No documentation was found for Mac Lochloinn. Mac Lachlainn is found in Woulfe (Mac Loclainn, p. 387) where it states "Before the 13th century. They were the most powerful family in Ulster. The name was changed to the documented form (which is also what he previously submitted).

The submitter was informed of the potential problem and has requested that the name be sent forward as submitted.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel. Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood - Acceptance of Heraldic Title [Chevron Herald]

The title Chevron Herald was registered to the kingdom of Caid in 09/85. The title was registered for the use of Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood and was granted to him as a personal title at Coronation by Their Majesties Direk and Levana (June 5, 2004). A letter of acceptance is included.

Approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Irmgard von Einbeck - Resub Laurel Device:

Argent chapé ployé sable, three seeblatter azure

The submitter's name was registered 02/03. At that time, Laurel returned her device submission, Argent chapé ployé sable, a seeblatt azure for conflict with Clarissa Wykeham, Or, a seeblatt azure. The additional seeblätter clear this conflict.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Lyondemere, Barony of

Cassandre Nicole Loustaunau - Resub. Kingdom Badge:

[Fieldless] A rustre azure

The submitter's name was registered 06/90 and corrected 03/00. The submitter's previous submission, (Fieldless) An ermine tail azure spotted sable was returned for conflict by Crescent 12/03. This is a complete redesign.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Naevehjem, Barony of

James of the Lake - Acceptance of Heraldic Title [Furison Herald]

The title Furison Pursuivant was registered to the kingdom of Caid in 03/00. The title was registered for the use of James of the Lake and was granted to him as a personal title at Coronation by Their Majesties Direk and Levana (June 5, 2004). As this title is being transferred to James, we request that the rank the designator be changed to Herald to match his rank. A letter of acceptance is included.

Approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Starkhafn, Barony of

Douglas rauðakegg - New Name Change

The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for 9th century northeast Scotland. He allows all changes, and if the name must be changed he cares most about the meaning "Douglas red-beard". His current name, Estaban el Rojo, was registered 09/02 and is to be retained as an alternate name.

Douglas is the submitter's legal given name, as shown by his Nevada driver's license. He notes "I was unable with my limited resources to discover any documentation for the name Douglas in period, and therefore submit a copy of my driver's license as documentation for the given name Douglas. I specifically authorize any changes necessary if any form of Douglas can be found in any period and culture that can be registered with an old Norse byname."

rauðskegg is a constructed byname meaning "red-beard". On p. 26 Geirr Bassi lists rauðr (red), rauðfeldr (red-cloak), rauðkinnr (red-cheek), and rauðrefr (red-fox). Geirr Bassi shows Skegg- as a prefix byname meaning beard (p. 27) as well as showing it as the second part of various bynames including, bláskeggr (black-beard, p. 20), grabárðr (grey-beard, p. 22), and gullskeggr (gold-beard, p. 22) showing the combination <color>-beard was used in period. As a note, Ottó rauðskeggr was registered 02/03 without comment.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


OP Notes

Douglas rauðakegg is listed in the OP as Estaban el Rojo.


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