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Minutes of the 2 NOVEMBER 2003 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 04 (New Team) LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

In attendance were: Jeanne Marie Crescent, Lachlan Dolphin, Sue Battlement, Thomas Brownwell, Kurt Sommelier, Selene Aurum, Diego Rivera de Soldano, and Islyle le Gannoker de Gavain

The next heraldry meetings will be: December 14th and January 11th. Further meetings will await the publication of the kingdom calendar. Quarterly reports are past due. Please get them in.

When dealing with name submissions, please ask the client if they have received awards under any other name. This information will be used to help update the OP. To that end, a new section has been added to the minutes for OP notes.

Approved submissions will be forwarded to Laurel on the November 21, 2003 Letter of Intent.


Calafia, Barony of

Nicolao Ventimiglia - New Name.

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. The submitter will accept minor but not major changes and if the name must be changed he cares most about the sound.

Nicolao is in De Felice, Nomi, (s.n. Nicola, p. 277). De Felice, Cognomi, p. 177, suggests that it is an ancient form (la forma ant.) of Nicola, (dated to 1087) from the ancient byzantine Nikolaos.

Ventimiglia is in De Felice, Cognomi, p. 259, as the header spelling. The submitter will also accept "di Ventimiglia" if necessary. The entry appears to say that the name is derived from a locative; thus he believes that it may be used without the "di."

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Tarla the Twin of Dartford - New Device Change:
Vert, an elephant's head cabossed argent.

Her name was registered 06/00. If this is registered, she wishes to release her current device, Sable, an elephant's head cabossed, on a chief argent three keys palewise wards to chief sable.

Conflict with Edward the Incorrigible, Azure, an elephant's head cabossed argent, maintaining in its trunk a seax bendwise Or.

Device returned for conflict.


Wilhelm Grimm. New name.

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if the name must be changed, he cares most about the sound.

Wilhelm is in Bahlow/Gentry 1st ed. (English) p.613 as the header spelling. It is dated to 1171.

Grimm is in Bahlow/Gentry 1st ed. (English) p.171 as the header spelling.

Crescent considers Wilhelm Grimm of the brothers Grimm significant enough to protect, so the name is returned for conflict. Jakob is the other brother's name. If the submitter disagrees, he is welcome to resubmit for Pelican to make a final decision.

Name returned for conflict.


Darach, Shire of

Alana Strangeways - Kingdom Resub. Device:
Per chevron vert and argent, two horses rampant argent and a lioness couchant sable.

The submitter's name was approved at the October CoH meeting. At that time the device was pended for lack of tinctures. The submitter requests that the feline be blazoned as a lioness.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Islyle le Gannoker de Gavain - New Alternate Name:
Illuminada Eugenia de Guadalupe y Godoy.

The submitter's primary name was registered 02/82.

Illuminada is found in Nobres Proprios Espanoles by Francisca Arana de Love, p. 230 where it states, "Iluminada, femenino de Iluminado; 2. Virgen mártir en el siglo IV de Todi..." (virgin martyr from the 4th century).

Eugenia is found in Nobres Proprios Espanoles by Fransisca Arana de Love, p. 189-190 where is states, "Eugenia, femenino de Eugenio; ... 5. Virgen mártir romana del siglo III..." (virgin martyr from the 3rd century).

Guadalupe and Godoy both appear as surnames in Muster Roll of the Expedition of Fransicso Vasquez de Coronado, February 22, 1540 (www.rootsweb.com/~nmbernal/musterc.htm).

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Rhys ap Morgan ap Martin - Kingdom Resub. Name and Device:
Per bend azure and vert, a bend cotised between two triskeles argent.

His last submission, Rhys ap Morgan, was returned by Crescent in October for conflict. At that time the device was pended for lack of a name. Prior to that, Aelbryce ap Morannwg was returned by Crescent 07/02 for lack of documentation. The submitter is interested in a name authentic for Welsh (though he didn't check the box to make changes for it to be authentic). He will accept all changes, and if the name must be changed, he cares most about the language/culture (Welsh). He will accept any combination of Rhys, Morgan, and/or Martin that will pass, though Rhys ap Morgan ap Martin is his first choice.

Rhys is found in Gruffudd Welsh Personal Names (p. 83) with Rhys ap Tewdwr dated to 1093 and Rhys ap Gruffudd dated 1132-97.

Morgan is also found in Gruffudd (p. 93) with Morgan Hen dated to 973. In addition, Morgan & Morgan (pp 168-169) state "The name became Morgan in the med period".

Martyn is also found in Gruffudd (p. 69) with Dafydd Martyn dateted 1293-1328.

This is clear of Rhys ap Morgan with the additional generation.

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Diego Rivera de Soldano - Kingdom Resub. Name.

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes and if the name must be changed he cares most about the sound. This name was returned by Crescent in October for the appearance of presumption. It is being resubmitted with documentation that Soldano is a locative. If this name cannot be registered, the submitter specifically allows the name changed to "de Vilanova" (Found in Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century by Juliana de Luna (www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/locative)) or "de Soldado," which the submitter claims means "the soldier"; however, no documentation has been provided for this name.

Diego is in De Felice Nomi (s.n Diego, p. 127). The name was influenced by the Spanish Diego and the cult of San Diego de Acevedo. Ancient ("antiquate") forms of the name were Diaco and Diago.

We could only find Rivera as a Spanish locative byname. For example, "16th Century Spanish Names" by Elsbeth Anne Roth (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/spanish/bynames-alpha.html) has Diego de Rivera (1571, V.3303), Diego Lopez de Rivera (1578, VI.2), María de Rivera (1578, VI.2) (son and mother), Mariana de Rivera (1578, VI.11). This also shows Diego as a Spanish given name. Likewise, Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century by Juliana de Luna (www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/locative) has de Rivera as a Locative Surname.

Soldano is found in Fucilla, Our Italian Surnames, on p. 228 under "Miscellaneous Types of Names - Amusements". It is glossed as "sultan" (as a nickname for one who enacted that role). This does not appear on the List of Alternate Titles. We have also found it in De Felice Cogomi (s.n. Soldano, p. 237), who documents its use in Italy since the 1200s as a nickname based an the Arabic "sultan". Information on the village of Soldano is found at http://digilander.libero.it/bikeandclimb/infodintorni/dintorniing.htm, where it states "Soldano is a village that rises to the beginning of the XIII century as defensive castrum." While post-period, http://www.rivieraholidays.it/eng/citta14.htm indicates "Soldano represents one of the counries (sic) of the Magnificent Community of the Otto Luoghi that it got independence from the accounts of Ventimiglia in 1686 and up to the foundation of the Republic Ligure in 1797." The on-line Catasto of 1457 lists Soldani and Soldaneri, which appear to be related to Soldano.

The evidence clearly shows that the town currently known as Soldano existed in period. While not as clear, it appears that the town was also known as Soldano in period. There is no evidence that Soldano was used as a title by a ruler and even if it was, it does not seem that it would have appeared in this construction. It thus seems reasonable to treat the name as a locative, as the submitter intends.

Italian/Spanish is registerable but a weirdness (q.v. Helena Seren de Luna, 08/01).

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Isles, Shire of

Philip Williams of Aston - New Badge:
(Fieldless) A cross flory azure surmounted by a rose argent barbed vert.

The submitter's name was registered 09/94. The blazon reflects the blazon of his device: Gules, a saltire Or, surmounted by a rose; on a chief argent, three crosses flory vert.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Philip Williams of Aston - New Badge:
(Fieldless) A dog rampant sable collared Or maintaining a rose argent slipped, leaved and barbed vert.

The submitter's name was registered 09/94. This conflicts with Philip Dyemoke, Potent, a wolf rampant reguardant sable.

Badge returned for conflict.


Rebecca Mary Robynson - New Badge:
(Fieldless) A fleur-de-lys quarterly azure and argent

The submitter's name was registered 06/00.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Rebecca Mary Robynson - Laurel Resub. Badge:
(Fieldless) On a sun Or a robin proper.

The submitter's name was registered 06/00. At that time, her previous submission, (Fieldless) Perched atop a sun Or, a robin contourny proper, was returned by Laurel for conflict. Possible conflict with Kriemhild of Stonecroft (01/74), Vert, a mullet of nine points throughout Or, thereon a turkeycock's head [Gallopavo meleagris] erased proper. We are unsure of the tincture of a turkeycock's head; however we believe it to be red or pink and thus clear with a CD for fieldlessness and another for changing the tincture and type of the tertiary. The robin in this submission is predominantly brown with a red breast.

Badge approved and forwarded to Laurel.


OP Notes

Rhys ap Morgan ap Martin currently is listed in the OP as Rhys ap Morgan (of Caid).


Bibliography

Bahlow, Hans. Dictionary of German Names. translated by Edda Gentry, University of Wisconsin, Madison: Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, 1967, English version: 1993.

De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986.

De Felice, Emilio. Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani. 4th ed. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore. Milan, 1986.

De Love, Francisca Arana. Nobres Proprios Espanola, Editorial Vosgos, Barcelona, 1982.

Gruffudd, Heini. Enwau Cymraeg I Blant/Welsh Names for Children. Talybont: Y Lolfa Cyf, 1980.

Ó Corráin, Donnchadh, and Maguire, Fidelma. Irish Names. Dublin: The Lilliput Press, 1990.

Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. A Dictionary of English Surnames Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press, 3rd ed. 1995.

Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Oxford: Oxford Uni. Press 3rd ed. 1977.


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