Minutes of the 6 April 2003 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the Aug 03 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
The next heraldry meetings will be: May 4th, and June 15th. Tentatively
meetings are scheduled for July 13th, August 3rd, and September 14th.
Jeanne Marie Sommelier will run the meeting today since Crescent is
out of state. Present at the meeting were: Angus Amhas Seraph,
Christopher Golden Rose, Eirikr Gold Phoenix, Lachlan
Coral, Selene Sable Fret, Stephania Gold Forest, Su
Battlement, and Thomas Brownwell.
We are publishing an April 1 LoI this year. Most were collected from the
Heraldry Canting Class held many years past but never used.
Su of the Silver Horn, heraldry regent for Collegium is seeking instructors
to teach heraldic classes at Fall Collegium. There are forms available to sign
up as an instructor.
Su has brought a German copy of the Codex Manesse purchased from eBay for a
reasonable sum. Apparently the merchant regularly posts copies, and other
interesting volumes.
Altavia, Barony of
Jonathan Drake of Skye - New Household name Guild of the
Edged Feather and badge:
(Fieldless) A sinister wing displayed terminating in a hand argent,
sustaining a sabre bendwise sable.
His name was registered September 2002. Included is a letter of permission to
conflict with (Fieldless) A wing terminating in a hand argent maintaining a
sword fesswise reversed Or, a badge from the Kingdom of Ealdormere, which
is signed by the seneschal of the Kingdom of Ealdormere.
The household name is returned for lack of documentation of its construction.
We note that it does seem permissible for an individual submitter to register
the designator "Guild." This designator is listed as an alternative
designator for a household under RfS III.2.b.iv.
Gold Phoenix notes that this badge is very similar to a symbol commonly
associated with modern mercenary forces, specifically, the beret badge of the
2eme Regiment Étrangère Parachutiste (2nd Parachute Regiment of
the [French] Foreign Legion). This symbol is commonly shown as a sinister wing
displayed terminated in a hand grasping a sword palewise argent, sometimes
within a narrow annulet (which may or may not be part of the jewelry rather
than the armory in question). Various places on the Web show the insignia that
is potentially at issue. For example,
http://www.nicholasmorigi.com/pages/main/Photos/W0483.jpg
shows the insignia, and labels it a beret badge for the 2eme REP. A very brief
survey of the beret badges listed seems to indicate that the circular outline
may be common to beret badges, rather than part of the insignia itself (see,
for example,
http://www.buyffl.com/7.shtml and
http://www.buyffl.com/6.shtml). I
note that the Legion database (at
http://www.frenchforeignlegion.org/database/data/dta066.html)
describes the insignia as "the winged hand and dagger", without
mentioning the annulet that is in fact present on the insignia shown on the
same page.
We do not consider this to be a conflict, but we are concerned with both the
potential for obtrusive modernity and for the potentially negative associations
this symbol may generate in the modern context.
Household name returned for lack of documentation. Badge approved and
forwarded to Laurel.
Angels, Barony of
Kevin Daniel Madoc - Laurel Resub Device:
Checky purpure and argent, on a chief sable a horse courant
argent.
His name was registered February 2002. In September 2002 Laurel returned his
device, Per chevron checky purpure and argent and sable, in base a chimera
statant argent, for conflict. This is a complete redesign.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Darach, Shire of
Mora Gowe - New Name and Device:
Per fess purpure and vert, two stags trippant counter-trippant Or.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name and will not allow the
formation of a holding name. No other boxes are checked.
Mora can be documented two different ways: (1) It can be
considered the feminization of the masculine given name Morus, found in on
p.313 of Reaney & Wilson under the heading Moor; Morus de la Hale, 1214. As
this is an obvious Latin form, Morus to Mora is the correct feminization,
analogous to Julius to Julia or Antonius to Antonia. (2) It can be considered
the Latinization of the Irish feminine given name M{o'}r. Both the Irish and
Latin forms are found in on p.213 of Woulfe's Irish Names and Surnames,
where it is described as a common medieval name. In addition, the September
2001 LoAR notes "The submitter may wish to know that the similar-sounding
name Mora, a Latinized form of the Gaelic feminine name
Mór is dated to 1541 in Scotland." [Maura
MacLeod, 09/01, A-Æthelmearc].
Gowe is found under the heading Gow on p.201 of Reaney &
Wilson, which lists Richard Gowe, 1230. It is the Anglicization of the Irish
byname gobha, meaning smith.
We advise the submitter to draw the antlers thicker so that they are more
visible.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)
* Mora de Buchanan - New Name and device:
Per chevron purpure and vert, a winged owl's face cabossed and in chief a
crescent argent.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed
she cares most about the sound and language/culture. She prefers the spelling
Mora with Mór as her second choice and More is her third choice.
Mora can be documented two different ways: (1) It can be
considered the feminization of the masculine given name Morus, found in on
p.313 of Reaney & Wilson under the heading Moor; Morus de la Hale, 1214. As
this is an obvious Latin form, Morus to Mora is the correct feminization,
analogous to Julius to Julia or Antonius to Antonia. (2) It can be considered
the Latinization of the Irish feminine given name M{o'}r. Both the Irish and
Latin forms are found in on p.213 of Woulfe's Irish Names and Surnames,
where it is described as a common medieval name. In addition, the September
2001 LoAR notes "The submitter may wish to know that the similar-sounding
name Mora, a Latinized form of the Gaelic feminine name
Mór is dated to 1541 in Scotland." [Maura
MacLeod, 09/01, A-Æthelmearc]. Mór is
also found as the heading on p.139 of OCM where it states "Mór is
by far the most popular female name in use in later medieval Ireland." It
is dated to the 10th C, to 1527, and to 1548. "Manx Names in
the Early 16th Century" by Heather Rose Jones
(http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/jonesmanx16.html)
lists More as a feminine name.
de Buchanan is found under the heading Buchanan on p.111-112
of Black with Walter de Buchanan dated to 1373 and Alan de Buchanan c.
1270.
We note that there are several examples of winged heads registered in the
Armorial, in particular wolf's heads and boar's heads.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Dun Or, Barony of
Kolfinna k{o,}ttr - Administrative name Change from Ciana
Masina della Luna.
The submitter wishes to make her current primary name, Ciana Masina della
Luna (reg. 01/00), her alternate name and her current alternate, Kolfinna
k{o,}ttr (reg. 09/02) her primary name.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Gyldenholt, Barony of
Max Erich von Baden - Administrative change device to
badge.
His name was approved at the March 2003 CoH meeting. At that time his device,
Per pale gules and sable, a sword Or surmounted by a skull argent, was
also approved. He will be submitting a new device next month thus if the March
submission is registered, he requests that it be considered as a badge not a
device.
Approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Rosa Maria di Cosenza - New Name and device:
Per bend sinister Or and vert, a cross of Jerusalem and a cinquefoil gules
seeded Or.
The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed
she cares most about the language/culture. She will not accept major
changes.
Rosa appears three times in "Feminine Given Names from
the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427" by Arval Benicoeur
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/).
Maria appears 17 times in the same source.
di is a locative marker.
Cosenza appears in "Mercator's Place Names of Italy in
1554" by Maridonna Benventuti
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/maridonna/mercator/)
as a town/city in Southern Italy.
It should be noted that double given names were uncommon in period
Italian.
The device must be returned for lack of contrast between vert portion of the
field and the overlying cinquefoil. Please advise submitter to use a standard
emblazon shape on the form and to draw their charges larger so that they fill
the space better.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for
redraw.
Steffan von Ostdorf - New Name and device:
Gyronny sable and gules, a lion reguardant and in sinister chief a cross a
cross fleury Or.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name. If the name must be changed,
he cares most about the language/culture. He will not accept major changes.
Steffan is found in "Medieval German Given Names for
Silesia Men's Names" by Talan Gwynek
(http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/bahlowMasc.html)
were it is dated to 1359 and 1389 in this spelling.
von is a German locative marker.
Ostdorf is attested by the submitter to be a village in
northern Germany along the North Sea coast. For the last thousand years this
region of Germany has been known as Friesa, Friesland, and/or Ostfriesland.
Period documentation for "Ostorp" is in the Blaeu Atlas
(http://www.library.ucla.edu/yrl/reference/maps/blaeu/frisiae.jpg).
This atlas was published in 1635 as a two volume set in German, Dutch, Latin,
and French. It shows a town by the name of "Ostorp" which the
submitter has highlighted. We note that the meaning of "ost" is
"east", "orp" means "place/location", and
"dorf" means "village", from Cassell's New German
Dictionary. We have found in Bahlow's Deutschlands geograhische Namenwelt the
placenames "Suddendorf", meaning "south village", and
"Osterbach", meaning "east brook", so we believe that the
proposed name is a reasonable construction.
Unfortunately, the armory must be returned because the tinctures of the field
do not have sufficient contrast. We recommend that the submitter swap the Or
and gules tinctures, as another Caidan has recently submitted a similar device
with a gules & Or field and a sable lion.
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel. Device returned for lack of
contrast.
Ildhafn, Shire of
Barrett of Muchelney - New Name and device:
Barry argent and gules, a lion sable within a bordure gules.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name. If the name must be changed
he cares most about the meaning, which is not specified. He allows all
changes.
Barrett is found under the heading Barret on p.42 of
Withycombe, which states "the Middle English form Barrett is
similar in development to Arnett from Arnold".
Withycombe dates Barat and Baret to 1273.
Muchelney is a small village in England, where a Benedictine
abbey was established in the mid-10th c.
(http://www.theheritagetrail.co.uk/abbeys/muchelney%20abbey.htm).
The web page also states "the present church was completed by the abbots
in the early 1400s".
Similarly http://www.thorneylakes.co.uk/attractions.html
lists Mulchelney Abbey as being founded in the 10th century and the
parish church of St. Peter and St. Paul "completed in the early
15th Century." In addition on p.333 under the undated header
spelling Muchelney, Ekwall dates the spellings Miclanige to 990, Muceleneia to
1084, and Mucheleneia to 1160.
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
William de Cameron - New Name and device:
Sable, a fess ermine.
The submitter is interested in a masculine name. If the name must be changed,
he cares most about the meaning ("William, of the Cameron clan"). He
will allow all changes.
William is a header spelling found on p. 293-4 of Withycombe
where it states, "introduced into England by the Normans in the
11th C, from which time it has held its place as one of the
commonest men's names."
de Cameron is found under the header spelling Cameron on
p.81 of R&W, where it states, "The Highland clan name is Gael
camshrón 'wry or hook nose'. The Lowland name is from Cameron
(Fife)" and dates Johm de Cameron to 1421 (from Black).
We note that Papworth has Sable, a fess ermine, however none of the
owners of these arms have the surname Cameron, avoiding any appearance of
presumption.
Nice arms!
Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Lyondemere, Barony of
Ginevra da Cunha - New Badge (Fieldless) On a chalice
argent, a chevron gules.
The submitter's name was registered in November of 2000 via Caid.
Conflict found. Azure, on a goblet argent a fret couped gules (badge
Innilgarde January 87). There is only the cne CD for fieldless. Since this is
not X.4.j.ii.c simple, two changes to the tertiary are needed to result in a
second CD.
Badge returned for conflict.
Megen Paget - New Name Change from Meghan Fiona Paget.
The submitter's name, Meghan Fiona Paget was registered July 1992 via Caid.
She requests that it be released upon registration of her new name. She is
interested in a feminine name and will accept no changes.
The submitter provides copies from the Problem Names Project
http://www.medievalscotland.org/problem/names/megan.shtml,
which states "The spelling Megen first appears in 16th
century records. It is a Welsh name, probably a pet form of Margaret derived
from the much older English pet form Megge plus the common Welsh feminine
diminutive ending -en. It is recorded in 1547 as Megen," apparently based
upon data in Wyllyam Salesbury, A Dictionary in Englyshe and Welshe
(London: John Waley, 1547).
Paget is the submitter's registered surname and therefore is
grandfathered to her. In addition, Paget is dated to 1327 in R&W, it is the
header spelling on p. 335. There is no weirdness for a Welsh/English name (qv.
Cover Letter, 08/99).
Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.
Starkhafn, Barony of
La Tour de la Luminaire Rouge, Canton of - Laurel Resub
Branch Name and Device:
Or, a lantern gules within a laurel wreath vert.
The previous submission, Canton de la Luminaire Rouge was returned by Laurel,
who stated:
No one could come up with reasonable justification for this as a
place name, and some commenters were bothered by the connotation of 'Red Light
District.' Because we cannot form holding names for groups, the device must be
returned with the name. [September 1999 LoAR]
The new submission adds the noun "tower." the group has stated to
the herald repeatedly that they wish to have "red light" as part of
the name for their canton. The submitters will not accept major changes; but
will accept minor changes. If changed, they care more about the meaning
"Tower of the Red Light". name desired to be authentic for late
period France. This is the same device that was submitted in 1999.
The original petition from 1999 is attached. Also a supplemental petition
from September 5, 2002 is attached stating that the canton members understand
that "La Luminaire Rouge" means "red light" in French. The
members understand the 20th century connotation of "red light
district" as a location for houses of prostitution. The term did not have
that connotation in the SCA period. The members of the Canton are not bothered
by this modern connotation.
The Seneschal (Lady Anastasia) and other Canton members have stated verbally
that the currently submitted name with the change to add the word
"tower" in French to the name is a minor change in their opinion. The
group is not bothered by the mundane modern connotation of "red light
district", primarily because the mundane location, Pahrump Nevada, is a
"red light district". Prostitution is the major legal mundane
business in this community. During late SCA period, they have been informed
that "blue light" may have had the connotation that "red
light" now has. Also, there is a red aircraft warning light near the house
where many Canton activities are held.
Unfortunately, the College disagrees with the submitting herald. The addition
of the word "Tour" is not a minor change, and therefore is not
supported by the group's petition. We require that the group make a new
petition with the members' signatures showing their approval of the new name
and device. Verbal affirmation is not adequate in this instance. In addition,
we do not believe that it satisfies the requirements of RFS III.2.b(i),
"Branch Names - Names of branches must follow the patterns of period
place-names." the members of this canton must show that the name is formed
in a period manner. We would like to see examples of placenames that include a
descriptor like "lantern" or "light". We stress that
all portions of the name must be documented when the canton resubmits.
Finally, we note that Luminaire is a masculine noun
so that the name must be corrected to "Le Canton de la Tour du
Luminaire Rouge".
We would like to express our approval of the device. It is an excellent
example of simple armory. We find no conflicts.
Name returned for lack of documentation and support. Device returned
for lack of name.
Valeria Tertia of Alexandria - Kingdom Resub Device:
Argent, a pall inverted vert between three annulets gules.
Her name appears on Caid's September 2002 LoI and would have been considered
at Pelican's January 2003 meeting. Her previous submission, identical to this,
was returned for redraw by Crescent at the March 2003 CoH meeting (This
emblazon adequately fixes these problems). Before that, her submission
Argent, a bend sinister azure between an annulet and two more sable,
was returned by Crescent at the September 2002 CoH meeting. And before that her
submission, Argent, a bend sinister azure between three annulets in bend
sinister vert and a chain bendwise sinister sable, was returned by
Crescent at the July 2002 CoH meeting for redraw.
Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.
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