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Minutes of the 26 January 2003 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Jul 03 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Upcoming heraldry meeting are scheduled for the following dates: Feb. 23, Mar. 23, Apr. 6, May 4, Jun. 15, Jul. 13, Aug. 3, and Sep. 7.

Their Majesties have requested that they only be asked for opening comments at Opening Court and closing remarks at Closing Court. Before court, check whether or not their Majesties wish to have a recession out of court. If so, the traditional litany should be called (Long Live Their Majesties, etc. - Please exhort the crowd to do three cheers, rather than letting them try to repeat long phrases). If they do not wish to recess, court should end with their Majesties giving the crowd leave to go about their business.

Domesday (year-end) reports were due at 12th Night, January 4th. If you have not already provided Crescent with your annual report, please do so immediately.

The Estrella War is upcoming, February 12-17. Volunteers are asked to help with crying camp. There will be a heraldic consultation table, and heralds of all skill levels are encouraged to help. You will have the opportunity to work alongside some very good heralds from around the Known World and the available library is usually spectacular. There is also no better way to learn consultation than a "trial by fire." Remember also that volunteer hours can earn money for any geopolitical group or guild. Funds from these sorts of activities help the College of Heralds buy books for the fantastic library that we possess.

Collegium will be held March 8 & 9 in Wintermist. There is a full slate of heraldry classes being offered. Crescent would like to encourage mid-level heralds to teach the beginning heraldry classes. Also, the College of Heralds needs to have a heraldry regent for Collegium. Among other glorious compensation, the regent gets a free lunch on Sunday. If you are interested, please talk to Crescent.

The Academy of St. Gabriel (http://www.s-gabriel.org/) is looking for new members and Crescent would encourage any that are interested to join them. They are a great way to learn all sorts of interesting things about real period heraldry. Besides writing articles on names mined from various period documents, the Academy writes letters to individual clients interested in authenticity for a particular time period. They also recommend period and culture specific heraldry. All skill levels are welcome. Newer members can help by searching standard references, such as Withycombe and Reaney & Wilson as well as writing letters based on the comments of other Academy members. (This has been an unpaid endorsement.)

The September LoAR was read, which contains a large number of Caidan submissions. The Gaelic name Aífe/Aoife will no longer be registered. Though the name Corwyn/Corwin is considered SCA compatible, the CoA will not register the spelling Corwynn. The field treatment "mailly" will no longer be registered.

The College wants to remind everyone that an emblazon's acceptability is dependent upon its appearance on the forms at the Wreath meetings. We are receiving more and more submissions that use mechanical means of reproduction. While the CoA does not want to mandate particular methods, please be aware that there are potential problems associated with color computer printers, color photocopies, metallic markers & paints, color pencils, and crayons, oil paints and other sticky pigments. Please encourage submitters to use the time-tested and trusted Crayola ® Classic Colors Markers. They are inexpensive, have good heraldic colors and have not yet shown any problems with color changes over time.

Laurel is coming! Laurel is coming! Those lucky few who were able to stay after the meeting for a little while had the opportunity to meet Master François le Flamme, Laurel King of Arms, who was in town for business. We chatted for a while about the state of heraldry in the Known World and had an all around pleasant time.

As a reminder, please e-mail submission summaries to Jeanne Marie () prior to each CoH meeting. For names, this means a summary of the documentation and of the boxes marked on the form. For armory, this means a blazon. Sending the names only is of minimal help. Folders will be pulled (or created) prior to the meeting for all submissions which are forwarded to Jeanne Marie.

Submissions marked with * were accepted at Twelfth Night.


al-Sahid, Shire of

Davi d'Orléans - Kingdom Resub. Device:
Azure, a sword inverted winged argent and in chief two fleurs-de-lis Or.

The submitter's name was registered in Apr. '02. His previous submission, Azure, two fleurs-de-lis Or and a sword inverted winged argent was returned at the Nov. 2002 CoH meeting for conflict with France (modern): Azure, three fleurs-de-lis Or. In this design, the winged sword is clearly primary and the fleurs-de-lis are secondary.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Angels, Barony of

* Molly Gill Brae - New Device:
Argent, a hand fesswise vert.

The submitter's name was registered in May '94. her previous device submission was returned at the Dec. '93 CoH meeting as unblazonable. We are treating this as a new submission since the one-year period for free resubmission has long since passed. (The previous submission was not mentioned at the consult table nor on the forms.) the name was incorrectly written on the forms as Molly Gil Brae.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


* Quintin Asher of Timbermere - New Name

The submitter doesn't care about the gender of the name. No other preferences are indicated.

Quintin is one of the spellings in a heading on p. 248 in Withycombe. Quintinus is dated to 1086, 1199, 1200, 1213, and 1492.

Asher is found as a heading on p. 16 of R&W (3rd) with Thomas Aisher dated to 1641. There is a cross-reference to Asser on p. 17, which dates Richard Asher to 1674. We note that Asser is dated to the DB in its earliest form, Azer, and they give examples showing that the name has been used continuously since them in various spellings, e.g. Azor (DB), Ascherus (1143), Asser (1218), Asseyr (1249), etc. The name may be derived from the OE Æschere found in Beowulf, pronounced virtually identically to the submitted form.

Timbermere is a constructed locative. On p. 474, Ekwall gives the meaning "timber, wood" to the Old English word timber. Under the heading Timberland on p. 474 Timberlunt is dated to the Domesday Book and Timberlund, meaning "grove where timber was got," is dated 1155. On p. 322, Ekwall dates mere to 1212, with the meaning "lake, mere" and notes "many original names of lakes were transferred to places on the lake." Timbermere is similar in meaning and construction to Okmere, glossed as "oak lake", which is found dated to 1348 under the heading Oakmere on p. 347. In addition, on p. 113 Ekwall dates Æscmær to 1227, which he says may mean "ash-tree moor".

Johnson also lists mere as deriving from the OE mære meaning "boundary, landmark", as well as the more common OE mere meaning "lake". The former meaning is also appropriate here, as a locative with the connotation of living at the boundary of the woodland.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Saint Artemas, College of (Calafia)

* Saint Artemas, College of - New badge:
Vert, two torches in saltire between in fess two goblets, a bordure Or.

The group's name was registered in Nov. '88. This is similar to their registered badges, Vert, two swords in saltire between in fess two goblets within a bordure Or (08/01) and Vert, two arrows in saltire between in fess two goblets, a bordure Or (06/96). This badge is to be associated with the College's Lights Warband - the name is not (and will not) be registered. The badge is accompanied by a petition signed by the College's herald, exchequer, A&S officer, chatelaine, and webmaster.

Unfortunately, according to the Administrative Handbook section I.B, groups without a ruling noble (i.e., shires, cantons, and colleges) are allowed to register only four names and four pieces of armory. Since the college already has a device and three badges registered, this registration will push them over the limit. They cannot register new armory unless and until they agree to release something.

Badge returned for exceeding the registration limit.


Darchester, Shire of

Miles Warde - New Name and Device:
Per fess Or and sable, three mullets counterchanged.

The submitter is interested in a masculine English name appropriate to the 14th C.

Miles is found as a given name under the heading Miles, Myles on p. 309 in R&W (3rd) with Miles de Oystercatcher dated to 1291. Withycombe dates the name in this spelling to the 15th C as a heading on pp. 219-220.

Warde is found under the heading Ward on p. 475 of R&W where the first example given is William, John Warde 1194.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Sancha da Sylva - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name and no other preferences are marked. She seeks a name from the Iberian Peninsula. She would ideally like a given name that would see her through from "surcoats to Spanish black" (1200s - 1500s).

Sancha is a feminine given name found in "Portuguese Names 1350-1450" by Juliana de Luna (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/portuguese.htm).

da Sylva is found in the article "Portuguese Names from the 16th Century" by Juliana de Luna (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/portugal16.htm), which lists "1537 Beatriz da Sylva".

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Dreiburgen, Barony of

* Fergal MacCome - New Device:
Per bend sinister gules and argent, a bend sinister vert between a catapult Or and a monkey sable.

The submitter's name was registered in Jan. '99. His previous device submission, Per bend sinister azure and vert, three bendlets Or between a wolf rampant argent a trebuchet Or was returned at the Aug. '98 CoH meeting for redraw. We are treating this as a new submission since the one-year period for free resubmission has long since passed. (The previous submission was not mentioned at the consult table nor on the forms.)

The animal in base is unidentifiable - most of the heralds present thought it was some type of feline. If it were not for the tiny note that requests "no chain on monkey," we would have no way to identify this charge. Unfortunately, this must be returned. In addition, the catapult should be drawn with the timbers substantially thicker so that it is easier to see and more like the proportions of a real catapult or trebuchet.

Device returned for redraw.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

* Chagan Baras - New Name and device:
Purpure, a tiger argent marked sable and a chief Or.

The submitter is interested in a feminine name authentic to Mongolian culture. If the name must be changed, she cares most about the meaning "white tiger". She will not allow major changes. The form originally indicated no minor changes were allowed, but this was a misreading of the form. The submitter changed and initialed the form while at the consultation table.

Chagan, meaning "white", is found in the article "On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/mongol.html).

Baras is undocumented and we request the College's help in documenting this name. We note from the May '96 LoAR:

Bars Naran. the name was submitted as Baras Naran. Baras seems to be the plural of "bars" = "tiger"; according to the submitter' s excellent documentation it appears in the place-name Baras Qota "Fortress [of the] Tigers", while the singular is attested in the period name Bars-Buqa "Tiger-Bull". A number of animal names were used as Mongol given names in period, but the examples are all in the singular, so we have modified the given name to conform to this evidence.

On the Aug. '97 LoAR, "Baras Bayan. Name change from Bars Naran." appeared with no additional comments. It appears that Baras was at that pointed documented as a name.

This follows the n+n pattern from Baras-aghur Naran's "On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/mongol.html):

Period names of the n+n pattern are combined of two elements, both of which can stand on their own. The exceptions to this are names of this pattern that consist of a given name and epithet. Examples of these are Al Altan (crimson gold), Qori Buqa (twenty bulls), and Mongke Temur (eternal iron).

However, there are a few rules that need to be observed when using this name pattern. First, avoid name combinations that do not make common sense together. Next, personal nicknames such as fat, wrinkled, popeye, etc may not be combined at all, nor can the names of clans or tribes. Animal names may be combined with names that are of a different type (i.e. a name could be constructed of black wolf, but not tiger wolf).

Name and device approved and forwarded to Laurel


*Meala Caimbuel - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She prefers a byname meaning "wife of Campbell" and will allow all changes to get this meaning.

Mealla is found on p. 136 of ÓC&M under the heading Mell, Mella: Meall, Mealla. Mella was the name of the mother of st. Manchán of Lemanaghan.

Caimuel is found on p. 129 of Black under the heading Campbell, where it is given as the Gaelic spelling , meaning "wry (or crooked mouth)". We are unsure whether the adjective needs changes when modifying a female rather than a male. The submitter should probably be made aware that this byname would mean that she has a "wry or crooked mouth" and not that she is the wife of Campbell.

We cannot document the given name as submitted, and the submitter will not accept the change to Mealla. In addition, the form is not signed. She was contacted by e-mail Jan. 25.

Name returned for lack of documentation.


Heatherwyne, Shire of

* Ciar ingen Dáire - Kingdom Resub. Name

The submitter's previous name, Ciarnat ingen Dáire appears on Caid's Nov. 10, 2002 LoI and was withdrawn on Caid's Feb. 1, 2003 LoI. The submitter is interested in a name authentic for 10th C. Irish/Gaelic and if the name must be changed, she cares most about the language/culture.

Ciar is found as a heading on p. 51 of ÓC&M, who note "The most important bearer of this name is St. Ciar, virgin patroness of Killkeary."

ingen is an early Irish-Gaelic patronymic article meaning "daughter of".

Dáire is a heading on p. 68 of ÓC&M. It is a masculine given name. ÓC&M state it is "one of the commonest names in Irish legend and mythology." there is a Saint Dáire whose feast day is 20 Dec. ÓC&M also state "The name occurs occasionally among the learned family of Ó Bruaideda." We note that, in early period names, the "D" does not lenite to "Dh" . Submitted as Dàire, we changed the accent mark to match the documented spelling, Dáire.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


* Lorccán ua Conchobair - New Device:
Per chevron argent and vert, a phoenix and a lantern counterchanged.

The submitter's name appears on Caid's Nov. 10, 2002 LoI.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


* Lucia Zaffarana - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name appropriate for 15th C. Italy. If the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound.

Lucia is found in Arval Benicoeur's "Feminine Given Names from Thirteenth Century Perugia" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/perugia/perugiaFemAlpha.html). In addition, it is found as a heading on p. 239 of de Felice's Nomi, and refers to Santa Lucia who died in 309 A.D.

Zaffarana is found as a variant under the heading Zafferana on p. 268 of de Felice's Cognomi. It appears to be a toponymic byname ("è formato dal toponimo Zafferana Etnèa"). Zaffarano is found on p. 83 of Fucilla as a surname based on the spice saffron.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


* Pamela Maria Serafino - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound and language/culture (Italian). She will not allow major changes.

Pamela is found as a heading on p. 295 of de Felice's Nomi and appears to be dated to 1599. It is also found dated to 1590 on p. 238 in Withycombe (apparently invented by Sir Philip Sidney).

Maria is found as a heading on p. 251 in de Felice's Nomi.

Serafino is found as an undated variant under the heading Serafini on p. 231 of de Felice's Cognomi. It is also found as a heading on p. 330 in de Felice's Nomi . The entry lists a San Serafino who died in 1604.

If necessary, the submitter will claim the legal name allowance for Pamela Marie (as shown by her California driver's license) though she would prefer Pamela Maria.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Isles, Shire of

Hortensia de Tarentaise - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture, but she will not allow major changes.

Hortensia is found as a heading on p. 156 of Withycombe, where it is undated. However, Webster's Biographical Dictionary indicates that the person referenced, Ortensia Mancini, was born in Italy in 1646. Apparently, there was a Portuguese writer, Publa Hortensia de Castro, who lived 1548-1595 (http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/_generate/PORTUGAL.html).

Tarentaise is found under the entry for Peter of Taretaise on p. 401-402 in the Oxford Dictionary of Saints. He was a Cistercian monk and archbishop that lived c.1102-1174.

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Iohannes ap Gwylim Pengrych - Kingdom Resub. Name and Device:
Argent semy of lozenges vert, a fox rampant within a bordure embattled sable.

His previous name submission, Owain ap Pwyll, was returned at the Feb. 2002 CoH meeting for lack of documentation. The submitter is interested in a masculine name appropriate for Welsh. If the name must be changed, he cares most about the language/culture, and he will not accept major changes.

Iohannes is found in Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn's article "A simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/welsh13.html).

Gwylim is found as Gwilim in Tangwystl verch Morgant Glasvryn's article "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names". (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/welsh13.html). The submitted form should be an acceptable variant since the next entry is Griffri, Griffry, Gryffri, Gryffry. It would appear that i and y are interchangable in any combination.

His previous device, Lozengy sable and argent, a fox rampant and a bordure embattled vert, was pended for lack of a name. At that time, Crescent noted the poor contrast and recommended that the submitter consider different tinctures. This is a redesign keeping the same basic elements.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Lyondemere, Barony of

Robert Crosar - Laurel Resub. Device:
Per chevron gules and argent, two thistles Or and a bear rampant sable.

This name appears on Caid's Nov. 10, 2002 LoI as a name change for Cellach mac Ualraig (reg. Oct. '00). The submitter's previous device, Argent chapé gules, a bear rampant sable and in chief two thistles Or was returned by Laurel on the Sep. 2002 LoAR for charging the upper corners of a chapé field . This design addresses that return by using a per chevron field division rather than chapé.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Stanislav Norovich - Kingdom Resub. Device:
Argent semy of lozenges gules, an eagle head to sinister maintaining three annulets braced two and one within a bordure sable.

The submitter's name appears on Caid's Oct. 1, 2002 LoI. His previous submission, Argent semy of lozenges gules, an eagle head to sinister maintaining three annulets conjoined two and one sable, was returned at the Jul. '02 meeting for conflict with Manfried, King of Sicily (important non-SCA arms), Argent, an eagle displayed sable, and with Kerry the Rock (1973), Argent, semy of strawberries proper, a double-headed roc displayed sable orbed gules, among others. The addition of the bordure clears these conflicts.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Tatiana de Foix - Kingdom Resub. Device:
Per pale indented purpure and Or, two compass stars counterchanged.

The submitter's name appears on Caid's Sep. 10, 2002 LoI. Her previous submission, Or, on a trimount enhanced purpure a compass star Or, was returned at the Apr. '02 CoH meeting as being unblazonable as drawn and for possible conflict. This new design eliminates the ambiguities of the previous design.

Device approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Starkhafn, Barony of

Katharine de Mirabeau - New Name

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. If the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture (France), and will allow minor but not major changes.

Katharine is found under the heading Catherine on p. 93 of Dauzat; where it notes a saint died in 307; Katherine is given as another spelling. Katharine is also dated to 1295 and 1327 in Talan Gwynek's article "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyHZ.html).

De Mirabeau is dated to 1581 in genealogical data provided by the submitter. Their source is GeneaNet, with no URL shown. It is also a locative surname found under the heading Mirabeau on p. 436 of Dauzat, noted as a name "de localites et d'anc. fief."

Name approved and forwarded to Laurel.


Roch Sanglier - New Name

The submitter is interested in a masculine name . If the name must be changed he cares most about the language/culture (France), and he will allow minor but not major changes.

Roche is found under the heading Roche on p. 524 of Dauzat; noted as "ancienne" . It appears to have only been used as a locative surname. The name derives from roche meaning "rock", in particular having the characteristics of a rock. We also found the name in R&W, p. 379 under Roach, where the authors indicate that it's derived from the OFr roche. All of the examples in R&W are locatives, some meaning "Dweller by the rock", others meaning "from Roche" in France, and one other meaning "from Roach Fm." All of these names predate 1330.

Dauzat also lists Roch on p. 524 indicating that it is a baptismal name after a montpellierain saint born in 1295. It is also related to the Old Germanic Hroc, from which are derived Rogon, Rouard, etc.

The name Estienne Sanglier is listed in genealogical data provided by the submitter, having died before 1538. No URL was included but the website is GeneaNet [Note: found here]. Sanglier is also found on p. 539 of Dauzat under Sangle', Sangler noted as "ancienne", derived from sanglier meaning "savage", as in a "wild boar".

Submitted as Roche Sanglier, we changed the spelling of the given name to match the available documentation.

Name approved as changed and forwarded to Laurel.


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