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Minutes of the 28 July 2002 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Feb 2003 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Future heraldry meetings are schedule for 8/25 and 9/15. Tentative dates: 10/6, 11/3, and 12/15.

The Pursuivant ceremony was bestowed upon Lachlan Coral at Lyondemere Anniversary, where he also received a Harp Argent for graphic arts and heraldry.

Ghislaine d'Auxerre stepped down form her post as Dolphin Herald at CP Prize Tourney on July 13. Thus her post has become vacant and Crescent is soliciting for replacements. Dolphin's duties include being the voice of Their Highnesses for some ceremonies at Crown Tournaments and Coronations. In the near future duties may possibly include editing LoI's. Crescent would like to fill the position on or before 12th Night in January. Ghislaine will still remain as GWW's Herald despite her departure. Crescent has solicited for Deputies to serve as liaison to the War meetings. Crescent also needs a replacement for Consultation Herald, who will attend major Kingdom events such as Crown Tourney, Queen's Champion, etc.

Their Majesties are travelling to Pennsic and Crescent will not be able to attend them, so Jeanne Marie has volunteered to perform heraldic duties for them. Anyone who can attend is encouraged to help out at Heralds Point.

All heralds are required to be members for their warrant to remain valid. If your SCA membership expires, you must supply a photocopy of your new membership card to Crescent.

Quarterly reports are essential and Crescent is considering making it a requirement instead of voluntary. This will be implemented in time for the end of the 3rd quarter (e.g. the October meeting).

Their Majesties have produced nifty beige cards for any persons or groups to put into presentations so that Their Majesties may send thank you cards. This is a good idea. All are encouraged to get the presentation cards from the royal court, or make your own.

The College of Arms will be updating its "Glossary of Terms" and Laurel is soliciting comments. In addition, the Rules for Submission have been updated and are available online. Please be sure that you are familiar with the latest updates. They are a good thing to keep handy.

Please paper clip any monies to the submission itself so that the record-keepers can sort out who paid what to whom. Please, do not accept cash if a check is at all possible. If you must accept cash, inexpensive receipt books are available for a couple of dollars from any office supply store. It is in your best interest to keep track of all money that changes hands.

The latest LoAR includes a table that has the variations of Gaelic patronymic and matronymic particles, to show all the various relations between people.


Altavia, Barony of

Altavia, Barony of (New Badge)

Argent fretty sable, a chief vert

Name:
The barony's name was registered in April '82.
Badge:
This badge is intended to be for the use of the populace. The fretty should be fed with half as many squares and the lines twice as thick.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Robert the Bruised (New Name and Device)

Argent, a bear rampant contourny vert

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor, but not major changes.

This name is clearly in aural conflict with Robert I, "the Bruce", a famous king of Scotland.

Device:
The device was not checked for conflict.

NAME RETURNED FOR PRESUMPTION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME


Calafia, Barony of

Talan of Skye (New Name and Device)

Purpure, a Bowen cross and a chief argent

Name:

The submitter cares about the sound of the name and does not care about gender. No other boxes indicating preference were marked.

Talan is found as a masculine given name on p. 31 of Compleat Anachronist #66, "A Welsh Miscellany" by Heather Rose Jones.

Skye is an island off the west coast of Scotland known for its cloud cover and bridge. Skye is found as a heading on p. 1781 of CLG. It is not dated in this spelling, but is dated to 1292 as Skey.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Saint Artemas, College of (Calafia)

Kolr Kaldspaði (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wishes a masculine name. He will allow any changes necessary, and if the name must be changed, he is most interested in the sound of the name.

Kolr is found as a given name on p. 13 in Geirr Bassi.

Kaldspaði is constructed from elements found in Geirr Bassi. Kald means "cold", as in Kaldaljos = "cold light" = willow-the-wisp, and Kaldmunnr = "cold mouth", both found on p. 24. Spaði means "sword", from p. 28. However, no evidence was provided that these two elements can be combined to provide a likely byname for a Norse person.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Muirenn ingen Donndubán (New Name and Device)

Argent, two keys in saltire wards in base sable between four roses proper

Name:

The submitter wishes a feminine name. She allows all changes, and is most interested in the language/culture, though she has not specified which. (We can only presume she intends Irish.) She has not specified a time period.

Muirenn is found as a heading on p. 141 in ÓC&M where it is dated to before 831.

ingen is an early Irish feminine patronymic particle.

Donndubán is found as a heading on p. 77 in ÓC&M dated to some 9th and 10th C. princes.

Device:
We note that in the SCA, a "rose proper" is defined as a rose gules, barbed vert and seeded Or, as per Bruce Draconarius, Oak Leaf Herald. We have found similar SCA armory: Argent, in saltire two rapiers sable between four roses gules barbed vert. [Caroline of Burgundy, July 2000] We believe that there is complete difference of primary charge between rapiers and keys, so these two pieces of armory are clear by RfS X.2.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Darach, Shire of

Cerdic Whitewynde of Wessex (Kingdom Resub Device)

Quarterly sable and argent, a cross patonce counterchanged

Name:
The submitter's name was registered in Feb. '92.
Device:

His previous device submission (Ermine, a cross patonce purpure) was returned for SCA conflict back in 1996. This is an extensive redesign.

The closest possible conflict was the badge of Dorren of Ashwell (Aug. '88): Quarterly sable and argent, a cross of four mascles counterchanged. We feel that there is sufficient difference between the two types of cross to invoke RfS X.2. Even without tan X.2 difference there should be a CD for the type of cross and another CD for the voiding of the mascles, which is visually equivalent to the addition of tertiary charges.

Also considered was the badge of Dafydd Blaidd (June '98), [Fieldless] A cross couped quarterly sable and argent. We count a CD for fieldlessness, a CD for type of cross, and a CD for reversing the tinctures of the cross.

Against other armory, changes to type of cross, tincture, and/or addition of secondary charges were enough to bring this well clear. Even in cases where a CD for type of cross was doubtful (e.g.: Quarterly argent and sable, a cross moline quarter-pierced counterchanged - Etienne de Bracieux, Jan. '99), the changes of tincture of the field and of the charge were enough to bring this clear of conflict.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Egan O Phelan (New Name)

Name:

Egan is found on p. 14 in ÓC&M under the heading Áeducán. Though undated, the name was "widely used in early Ireland".

O Phelan is found on p. 245 in MacLysaght, the modern Anglicized form of Ó Faoláin. In addition, we found the name on p. 521 in Woulfe under the heading Ó Faoláin. Woulfe separates the early forms from the modern forms, denoting the former with italics. Within that set, the nearest spelling is Ó Phelane.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Eleyn Scrivener (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wishes a feminine name and is most interested in the meaning, which is not stated. She will accept minor, but not major, changes.

Eleyn is found under Ellen on p. 153 in R&W. It is a variant of the Greek name (epsilon-lamda-epsilon-nu-eta) [Ελενη] Anglicized Helen, popularized by St. Helena, mother of the Emperor Constantine and said to have been the daughter of a British king. The only example of this spelling is as an unmarked matronymic, Walter Eleyn 1279. Given that both marked and unmarked matronymics are found in this period (Ralph Elene, 1314, ibid. and Henry fil. Elene, 1273, Bardsley, p. 269), and given the variation of spellings in the known given names (i.e. Elene, Elinne, Eline, and Elyenor from Bardsley, p. 269; Elena, Eleyn, Elene, and Elyn from R&W, p. 153; Elena, Ellyn, Elen, Ellin from Withycombe, p. 101), we feel that the submitted spelling is plausible as a given name.

Scrivener is found as a heading on p. 396 in R&W. The name Scriuener is dated to 1311. We note that the letters u and v were essentially interchangeable in England before the 15th C., and the pronunciation of each was the same. The meaning of Scrivener is "writer, one who writes books, manuscripts, etc. Also a clerk."

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Miryam æt West Seaxe (New Device)

Quarterly gules and Or, a cross patonce counterchanged

Name:
The submitter's name was registered in March 2001.
Device:

The closest possible conflict was the badge of Iago Benitez (July 2000), Quarterly gules and Or, a cross bottony within a bordure counterchanged. Even if X.2 Difference is not granted for type of cross, we would still expect to get a CD for type of cross and a CD for removal of the bordure.

Against the device of Magdalene de Liège (July '88), Quarterly Or and gules, a cross fleuretty between four estoiles all counterchanged, there is nothing for type of cross, but we get a CD for change of field tincture and another CD for the removal of secondaries.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Aidan Creagh (New Name and Device)

Per bend sinister beveled azure and sable, a skull and a wolf sejant ululant argent

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. No other preferences were noted.

Aidan is found on p. 7 in Withycombe as the name of a 7th C. monk.

Creagh is found as a heading on p. 64 in MacLysaght. It is also found in this spelling under the heading Craobhach on p. 239 in Woulfe, which states "In 1459, William Creagh was Bishop of Limerick; in 1483 David Creagh was Archbishop of Cashel."

Device:

There is a relevant precedent:

[Per chevron wavy sable and azure...] The contrast between the two halves of the field is so low that the line of division is not distinguishable. Past Laurels have returned extremely low-contrast lines of division even when there is not an overall charge (for an example, see the return of Isabel d'Avignon's device, June 1997 LoAR). [Anastasiia Novgorodskaia, 10/99, R-Meridies].

This device must be returned. In addition, the beveled portion of the line needs to be larger.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LOW CONTRAST FIELD WITH A COMPLEX LINE OF DIVISION

Caélfind O'Ruairc (New Badge)

Azure, a dragon contourny argent within a bordure checky azure and argent

Name:
The submitter's name was forwarded to Laurel on the May 15, 2002 LoI.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Theodore Batman (New Name)

Name:

Theodore is found as a heading on pp. 277-278 in Withycombe who states "Theodore, Archbishop of Canterbury (602?-690), was a native of Tarsus in Cilicia. The name has not otherwise been noted in England before the 17th C." In registering Theodore Bernard Gardener, the Oct. '95 LoAR notes "Although Withycombe puts Theodore out of period in England, a Theodore Hanley was married in 1603 (Bardsley, Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, p. 177 at Chew)."

Batman is found as part of the heading Bateman, Baitman, Batman, Battman on p. 31 of R&W. The desired spelling is undated; however, R&W note "Bateman 'servant of Bartholomew' is a type of surname formerly common in Yorkshire. Cf. addyman, harriman, etc." Bateman le Keu is dated to 1267 and Alexander Bateman to 1260. With Batman d' Appleton dated 1313, it seems likely that Batman was also seen as a surname in the same time period. The submitter is aware of the context of the surname but does not believe it to be obtrusively modern.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Ælbryce ap Morgannwg (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wishes a masculine name appropriate to 12th-14th C. Welsh culture. He will accept minor but not major changes.

Ælbryce is not found in any of our Anglo-Saxon, English, or Welsh name books. We suggest that the submitter consult with his herald on suitable names that are similar in sound to the submitted name.

ap is a Welsh patronymic marker.

Morgannwg is found on p. 168 in Morgan & Morgan under the heading Morgan. The authors do not date this spelling, but the context implies that it is an Old Welsh toponymic form of Morcant. Morganwg is found under the heading Glamorgan on p. 274 of Johnston, where the author confirms that it is the Old Welsh form, named after a 10th C. prince. We note that one cannot be "the son of" a place so ap must be removed, or the surname must be changed.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Edward the Sinister (New Name)

Name:

The submitter desires a masculine name authentic to 12th-14th C. England. He will not accept major changes, but will accept minor changes (changed on the form by the submitter).

Edward is found on p. 94 of Withycombe, dated to 1272 in the desired spelling.

Sinister is an English word meaning "left-handed". It is dated to 1475 with this meaning on p. 2834 of the OED, under heading II.9. "The sinistre Arme smote he vppon." (1475). "Raymondyn...putte...the hand senester at hys nek." (1500). "My Lord of Gynri receaved a terrible shot in his sinistre shoulder." (1597). "My Mothers bloud Runs on the dexter cheeke, and this sinister Bounds in my fathers." (1606). "The sinister winge of the vanguard." (1600). We note that this spelling is first used in the 15th C. within the context of "evil" or "misleading".

While we cannot find "Sinister" or "Left-handed" in R&W or Bardsley, we have found this reference on p. 304 of Weekley in a chapter titled "Latinisms and Grecisms":

In conclusion, it may be said that there is simply no limit to the eccentricity of nicknames, though their interpretation is often a matter of conjecture. The German name Alleweldt, "all the world", has Middle English parallels Tutlemund and Altheworld. It is hard to see why a man should be nicknamed Lindequist, lime twig (originally Swedish), but this well-known German name is surpassed in minuteness by the French name Brindejonc. The names mentioned in this chapter all come, with the exception of a few of special interest at the present monent, from a recent German baby list and are in no way to be regarded as particular or exceptional. A few other miscellaneous examples from the same source are Rohwedder (Foulweather), Trurnit, grieve not, Magdefrau, maid wife, Ehrenkonig, honor the king, Vogelgesang, Morgenrot (Dawn), Kranzlin (Garland), Hufnagel (Horsenail), Buttersack, Luchterhand, left hand[3], ...

The following footnote [3] says:

Cf. Sinister, O.F. senestre, left-handed, awkward [Simon Senestre, of Dieppe, Close R.]. Lefthand is a ME. name.

This is the only reference we have for the use of this name in English, and the Close Rolls are dated by the author to 1205.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Fionnaghal inghean Cononach (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will not accept major changes, and if the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture, which she is interested in having be authentic for "12th-14th C. Scottish".

Fionnaghal is not documented.

inghean is a feminine Gaelic patronymic prefix meaning "daughter of".

The submitter notes "Cononach is the Gaelic form of Buchanan and as such a Scot would have used."

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Iain mac Cononach (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will not accept major changes, but if the name must be changed he is most interested in language/culture, which he is interested in having be authentic for "12th-14th C. Scottish".

Iain is SCA compatible:

[registering the given name Iain] [Iain Kyle the Red] It is not clear as to whether this spelling of Iain is a period form. While we would like to see some conclusive research on this subject, we also feel that this is a name that is popular in the SCA. Since it has been registered over 40 times, we are declaring it SCA compatible, and hope that further research will prove that this was unnecessary. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR April 1997, p. 8)

mac is a masculine Gaelic patronymic prefix meaning "son of".

The submitter notes "Cononach is the Gaelic form of Buchanan and as such a Scot would have used."

This is being returned for insufficient documentation of the patronymic. However, even if it were documented, it would be returned for conflict with Iain Mac Coinnich (05/89).

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Moira inghean Cononach (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will accept minor but not major changes. If the name must be changed she cares most about the language/culture, which she is interested in having be authentic for "12th-14th C. Scottish".

Moira is SCA-compatible:

[Moira MacVey] No evidence has been presented that Moira is a period name. However, given its usage in the SCA we are ruling it SCA compatible. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR June 1997, p. 7).

inghean is a feminine Gaelic patronymic prefix meaning "daughter of".

The submitter notes "Cononach is the Gaelic form of Buchanan and as such a Scot would have used."

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Lachlan of Sutherland (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes, and if the name must be changed, he is most interested in the language/culture (Scots/Norse).

Lachlan is found as an undated heading on p. 190 in Withycombe. Lachlan is also a heading on p. 410 of Black, which says "Lochlan...was heir of Fergus of Galloway a. 1166." Later, Black adds: "Adam Lachlane was juror at Irvine, 1417." We note that Lachlan of Theriddelond was registered in May '02 without comment.

Sutherland is found as a heading on p. 435 in R&W with Alexander Sutherland dated 1441.

Submitted as Lachlann of Sutherland, we changed the given name to match the documented form.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Lyondemere, Barony of

Emma Wolvyne (Kingdom Resub Device)

Per pale Or and sable, a leaf gules and an increscent Or, on a chief azure three acorns argent

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the May 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
Her original device, Per pale Or and sable, a brown leaf proper and an increscent Or and on a chief azure three acorns argent was returned at that meeting because there is a precedent that recognizes no proper coloring for a leaf. Though at the very limit of complexity, this redesign addresses that problem.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Erasmus von Spielburg (New Name and Device)

Azure, on a bend between four chess rooks Or, a gittern azure

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name. He will accept minor but not major changes and will allow the creation of a holding name. If any changes must be made, he cares most about the language/culture, which he is interested in having be authentic for a "15th-16th Century German Scholar."

Erasmus is a Christian or Latin name from 16th century Plauen from "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germmasc.html).

von is a German locative preposition meaning "of, from".

Spielburg is a town near Frankfurt am Main. The client states "I found genealogy records mentioning it that date from shortly after 1600. Even if it were not an actual town, Spielburg should be acceptable as an imaginary place name in period form. I am using it because I like the translated meaning ("Game town" is one possible translation)." The client includes an excerpt from http://www.laurabryan.com/familytree/hess/ps03/ps03_301.htm that claims that Otillia (Delia) Freundt was born 11 Mar 1666 in Spielburg or Hellstein, Germany and married in Spielburg in 1685. This website does not appear to show its sources, and unfortunately, the citations are too late for our purposes.

Under the heading Spielder on p. 533, Bahlow/Gentry states "from loc.n. Spielbühel, cf. the Spielberge". We believe that von Spielburg or von Spielberge is a plausible locative. We ask the College's help in further documenting von Spielburg.

Device:

Regarding the arms, the client has included documentation of the gittern as drawn. This documentation comes from http://w1.852.telia.com/~u85210599/RAIMONDI.htm, entitled "En viola da mano-spelare från tidigt 1500-tal." This page shows an etching of a musician playing a guitar-like instrument, though there is no documentation regarding the picture's source.

The client also includes a photograph from http://members8.clubphoto.com/tina497054/639532/guest_icons.phtml, which dates to the 14th century. (This is not a scholarly work).

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Stanislav Norovich (New Device)

Argent semy of lozenges gules, an eagle head to sinister maintaining three annulets conjoined two and one sable

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the June 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
There is a conflict with Manfried, King of Sicily (important non-SCA arms): Argent, an eagle displayed sable and with Kerry the Rock (1973): Argent, semy of strawberries proper, a double-headed roc displayed sable orbed gules among others.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Ysabel d'Outremer (New Name and Device)

Or, a cross fleury gules and on a chief vert a crescent argent

Name:

The submitter is interested in a feminine name. She will allow minor, but not major changes, and she will allow creation of a holding name. If the name must be changed, she cares most about the language/culture, which she is interested in having be authentic for 14th C. France.

Ysabel is found in Colm Dubh's "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html) as Ysabel la plastrière.

We were unable to document the locative d'Outremer; however, we note that d'Outremer has been registered as recently as May '00 (Thierry d'Outremer) without comment. We request the College's help in documenting the byname.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Naevehjem, Barony of

Igor' L'vov (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A goutte sable enflamed Or

Name:
The submitter's name was registered in Aug. '99.
Badge:

This submission conflicts with Joseph d'Aquitaine (July 1991), [Fieldless] A goutte de pois. We note that there is no difference for the addition of the flames based on the following precedent:

[(Fieldless) A bunch of grapes purpure slipped and leaved vert enflamed Or] Conflict with ... (Fieldless) A cluster of grapes purpure leaved vert. There is a CD for fieldlessness, but nothing for the enflaming. [Elissa Dondain, 06/01, R-East]

BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Robert Grenville (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wishes a masculine English name and allows all changes.

Robert is a masculine given name found as a heading on pp. 254-255 in Withycombe, where Robert(us) is dated to 1071-5, and 1086.

Grenville is a locative surname found as a heading on p. 205 in R&W, where Gerard de Grenvill' is dated to 1161.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Starkhafn, Barony of

Albrecht von Kallenberg (New Device)

Gyronny vert and argent, an eagle sable

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the May 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
This armory conflicts with many other coats of arms, including the arms of Germany, Or, an eagle displayed sable.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Angel la Fiera (New Device)

Quarterly vert and sable, a pawprint argent

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the April 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
Conflict with Griffin Pollard le Bere (06/97), Per saltire azure and sable , a paw print argent, with just one CD for changes to the field.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Esteban el Rojo (New Device)

Gules, in pale a dolphin hauriant and a turtle argent

Name:
The submitter's name appears on Caid's April 5, 2002 LoI.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lucius of Alexandria (Kingdom Resub Device)

Sable, an ankh with its lower limb surmounted by four humetts between in chief two mullets of six points Or

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the May 19, 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
The submitter has supplied a fair argument that this combination of ankh and barrulets is a reasonable combination of hieroglyphic symbols (ankh and djed pillar) found in late-period Egyptian art (circa 600 AD).

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Michelle de la Couer (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a feminine name authentic for the French language.

Michelle is found undated on p. 219 in Withycombe but the only reference is modern. The masculine form Michel is dated 1439 on the same page. Michelle is the submitter's legal name, but we need a copy of the submitter's driver's license to forward to Laurel. [Crescent to get copy from Flame.] While we were unable to locate Michelle in Dauzat's Noms et Prénoms, we note the following precedent from Bruce's tenure as Laurel:

Given Withycombe's citation of Danyell in 1379, and Dauzat's citations of Michelle and Gabrielle, Danielle seems a reasonable French feminine form. (Danielle Corinna d'Assisi, September, 1992, p. 5)

This ruling implies that Michelle is a period French name.

We were unable to document de la Couer. There are a number of surnames on pp. 184-185 in Dauzat's Noms et Prénoms of the form Dela____, including Delamain (of the hand). We also found Delacour under the heading Delacoste. We believe that this is sufficiently common to justify the form.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Úlfr Grímsson (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wishes a masculine name, and is most interested in Norse language/culture. He allows all changes.

Úlfr is found on p. 15.

Grímsson is also found in Geirr Bassi, where there is a discussion on creating a patronymic from Grímr on p. 17.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Valeria Tertia of Alexandria (New Device)

Argent, a bend sinister azure between three annulets in bend sinister vert and a chain bendwise sinister sable

Name:
The submitter's name was approved at the May 19, 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
No conflicts were found. The charges are too small and the chain is not in a blazonable posture. We recommend that the submitter consult with a competent herald for suggestions on acceptable changes.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW


Wintermist, Shire of

Cormac Mór (New Name and Device)

Sable, an open book argent between three pairs of torches crossed in saltire argent flammant Or

Name:

The submitter wants a masculine name, and while the submitter notes that he is interested in 12th-14th C. "Celtic/Irish" culture, he did not check the box requesting authenticity. He will accept minor but not major changes to his name and if it must be changed, he cares most about the culture. He will allow the formation of a holding name.

Cormac is listed as an "Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) nominative form" in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Given Names" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan: (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cormacc.shtml). It is also listed as the modern form on p. 60 in ÓC&M under the heading Cormacc:Cormac, which states that Cormac Mac Carthaig was slain in 1138.

Mór is from "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Descriptive Bynames" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan. It means "big/great" and is found in various years from 1231-1562.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Cormac Mór (New Badge)

[Fieldless] Two torches in saltire surmounted by an open book proper

Badge:
There is no proper coloration for a torch nor for a book. The flames are Or fimbriated gules, which has not been allowed for more than a decade. The book obscures the underlying charges so that they are not easily identifiable, which has previously been grounds for return.

BADGE RETURNED FOR MULTIPLE PROBLEMS

Elena verch Gwalchmai (New Device)

Vert, a chevron between two triquetrae and a falcon argent

Name:
The submitter's name appears on Caid's May 15, 2002 LoI.
Device:
Crescent notes that this is a nice, medieval chevron. Unfortunately, because this is not simple armory, there is a conflict with Catilyn Emrys (08/95), Vert, a chevron between three peacocks pavonated to base argent and with Harrys Rob of Wamphray (02/92), Vert, a chevron between three winged spurs argent.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Sören Nielsen (New Name and Device)

Gules, an eagle and a chief ermine

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name authentic for "16th-15th" C. German culture. If the name much be changed, he cares most about the language/culture.

Sören is found undated under the heading Sör(e)nsen on p. 479 in Bahlow/Gentry, which says it is "patr. 'son of Sören', i.e., a Danish form of Severin (a saint's n.)."

Nielsen is a heading form found on p. 347 in Bahlow/Gentry. Carsten Nilsen is dated to 1602 and Niels Hansen to 1598.

Submitted as Sören Neilsenn, we changed the spelling to Sören Nielsen to match the available documentation.

Device:
There armory conflicts with that of Owain ap Tegwared (11/92), Checky gules and Or, a falcon displayed and a chief ermine with only a CD for changes to the field.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT


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