Minutes of the 2 June 2002 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Feb 2003 LoAR; the pend of Alys de Wilton's device is on the Mar 2003 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

The heraldry meeting schedule is 7/28, 8/25, and 9/15. Tentative dates are 10/6, 11/3, and 12/15.

The March Letter of Acceptances and Returns was read. Please note that the precedent granting a CD between brown and sable was upheld.

Coronation is next week. If your group has business at Court, please let Crescent know as soon as possible. If you are making a presentation, please tell us at which court the presentation will be made. When your territory is making a presentation, it is best to have the group ready at the back of the hall before you are called forward. Remember that the herald is the voice of the king; when s/he calls you forward it is not necessary to ask the Crown for leave to approach because it has already been granted. While it may be your territories only chance to meet Their Majesties, it is often better to send a small representative group forward to make a presentation. If you would like to show the support of the entire populace, please encourage other members to stand in place, rather than trying to bring forward a large entourage. Lastly, please include a card with any basketfuls of goodies that include a listing of the contents, the name of the group making the presentation and contact information so that the recipient might send a thank you note. Please resist the temptation to take each and every item out of the basket one at a time and present them to Their Majesties individually.

Territorial heralds are reminded that they are responsible for informing clients of any returns in a timely manner. It is a good policy to inform each submitter of the status of every submission. If you need to know the results of a meeting, contact either Crescent or Jeanne Marie.

Eridana is looking for someone to take over consulting heraldry at Kingdom events. If you're interested, see Eridana or Dietmar. Christopher Leyland is stepping down as Keeper of the Order of Precedence at the July meeting. Jeanne Marie will be taking over the position.

Angels, Barony of

Scathach of Skye (New Name and Device)

Azure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief and in canton an annulet argent


The submitter wants a feminine name and she will not accept major changes.

Scathach is found on p. 162 in ÓC&M where the only citations are for non-human characters. ÓC&M state "Scáthach is the female warrior, clearly an Otherworld personage" and "In the Finn-tales, Scáthach, daughter of Énna, lulls Finn to sleep with magic music in a fairy mound."

Skye is an island off the west coast of Scotland known for its cloud cover and bridge. Skye is found as an entry on p. 1781 of CLG. It is not dated in this spelling but is dated to 1292 as Skey. Skye is also found as an undated heading on p. 296 of Johnston. Dated spellings include Scy 1266 and Skey 1292.


Calafia, Barony of

Dagmar rauðkinn (New Name)


The submitter will not accept major changes and cares most about sound. The name is intended to be Norse.

Dagmar is a constructed name. The protheme is found on p. 162 in Searle "Dag____ see Dæg____ Fn324" On p. 161, under the heading Dæg____ Sw 479, Fn 324 ____ dæg Sw. 479, ____dæg (f) eg. Leof____. An alternate spelling of the name is also found on p. 162 under the heading Dægmær. Under the heading Mar____ on p. 349, the deuterotheme ____mær is listed, with the note that this is different from ____mæer.

rauðkinn is found on p. 26 in Geirr Bassi as a byname meaning "red-cheek."


Dýrfinna Eyverska (New Name)


The submitter will allow no major changes and wishes a feminine name authentic for 10th - 12th C. Norse culture.

Dýrfinna is found as a given name on p. 9 of Geirr Bassi.

Eyverska is found as a byname meaning "woman from the Orkney Islands" on p. 21 of Geirr Bassi. Note: eyverska is not capitalized in Geirr Bassi. The byname was submitted capitalized and until Laurel makes a ruling on the matter, we are loath to make the change. The submitter also included a copy of "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael, (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/vikbynames.htm).


Eliane Collingbourne Ducis (New Name)


The submitter is interested in a feminine name and will not accept major changes.

Eliane is listed as a feminine baptismal name and a derivative under the heading Elie on p. 234 of Dauzat's Noms and Prènoms.

Collingbourne Ducis is found on p. 117 in Ekwall under the headings Collingbourne Ducis & Kingston where the dated spellings included at Colingburne (on) Collengaburnan 921, and Collingeburne 1199. Under the heading Collingbourn on p. 106, R&W have Ruald de Colingeburna 1179, Sarah of Colingburn 1249, and John Colyngborn 1373. They note this name is from Collingbourne Ducis, Kingston.


Jordan of Marlborough (Kingdom Resub Name)


The submitter wishes a masculine name and will accept no changes. This name was returned at the April 2002 CoH meeting for lack of documentation of the submitter's legal name: Jordon. It is being resubmitted with a documented period spelling.

Jordan is found as a heading on p. 180 in Withycombe and dated to 1273.

Marlborough is found under the heading Malborough on pp. 311-312 of Ekwall where it states that the two are identical. Dated spellings include Malleberge 1270 and Merleberg 1275.


Marandon Bestelle (New Name)


The submitter will accept all changes and doesn't care about the gender of the name. If the name must be changed, she cares most about the sound.

Marandon is found as an undated diminutive of the personal name Marand, which is a heading on p. 413 of Dauzat's Noms et Prénoms.

Bestelle is found under the heading Beste on p. 41 of Dauzat's Noms et Prénoms. Dauzat states "Bestel, -elle, correspond au dér. Anc. Fr. Bestele, petite bête." We believe this to be a surname.


Úlfr Sigmundsson (New Name)


The submitter wishes a name authentic for a 10th century Norse male, will accept no major changes, and if the name must be changed, cares most about culture.

Úlfr is found as a given name on p. 9 of Geirr Bassi. Submitted as Ulfr, the accent was added to match the documentation.

Sigmundr is found as a given name on p. 14 of Geirr Bassi, but Sigmund is not found. Submitted as Sigmundson, Sigmundsson is the patronymic form expected from the examples on p. 17 of Geirr Bassi.


Poll na Gainmhe, Canton of (Calafia)

Uther the Small (New Name)


The submitter is interested in a masculine name and will allow all changes. If the name must be changed, he cares most about the sound.

Uther is the name of a human character in Arthurian legend, Uther Pendragon. If necessary, the submitter will accept Uthr, which is found on p. 31 of CA#66, A Welsh Miscellany. Bartrum's Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts has "Arthur vab Uther v. Kustennin vendigeit v. Kynor v. Tutwal v. Turmwr moruawr m. Karadoc, Bran m. Llyr lledieith. Pen. 50, p. 85, Card. 25, p.107."

The byname, the Small, is an anglicized form of the Welsh Bach, which is found on p. 32 of CA #66. Under the heading Smale et al. on p. 414, R&W date Willam Smale 1221, Alexander le Smele 1221, William le Smale 1294, and Thomas Small 1360.


Saint Artemas, College of (Calafia)

Lara Chéri (New Name and Device)

Per saltire vert and gules, a phoenix Or between three roses argent


The submitter is interested in a feminine name and will not accept any changes. She was contacted during the meeting, and specifically allows the replacement of Lora for Lara and Chery for Chéri.

Lara is found as a heading on p. 367 in Dauzat's Noms and Prènoms where it appears to be a locative surname. Any documentation of use as a given name would be greatly appreciated. The submitter will accept Lora, which is dated to 1273, 1346, and 1379 under the heading Laura on p. 191 of Withycombe.

Chéri is found as a heading on p. 123 in Dauzat's Noms and Prènoms, which claims that the name was originally a placename and is now a sobriquet. If necessary, the submitter will accept Chery which is found under the heading Cherry on p. 93 in R&W, where Richard Chery is dated to 1542.

The roses would be better as heraldic roses. As garden roses, they would be better if they were larger and the internal detailing was clearer.


Summergate, Canton of (Calafia)

Magge Rose (New Device)

Vert, on a chevron Or between three roses inverted argent three Latin crosses fleury sable

The submitter's name was registered in May '00.


Darchester, Shire of

Alys de Wilton (Name Change from Pagan le Chaunster and New Device)

Paly sable and argent


The submitter's current name, Pagan le Chaunster, was registered in April '92. The client desires an English name suitable to c.1350. She would prefer to retain the spellings documented here, but will accept minor changes if they are necessary for registration.

Alys is an English feminine given name, a vernacular spelling of the name recorded in Latin records as Alicia and usually normalized as Alice. The spelling Alys is dated to 1221 as a matronymic surname on p. 7 of R&W under the heading Alis. It is also dated to the 15th century in the desired spelling under the heading Alice on p. 16 of Withycombe. According to The Works of Geoffrey Chaucer (2nd ed., Robinson, F.N., ed. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1961.), Alys is found in "The Wife of Bath's Prologue" of The Canterbury Tales (p. 79, line 320): "I knowe yow for a trewe wyf, dame Alys." The editors of this edition assert that the "Marriage Group" of the Canterbury Tales, including this prologue, was written by Chaucer between 1393 and Chaucer's death in 1400.

de Wilton is an English locative byname. Under the heading Wilton on p. 494, R&W date de Wilton to 1162 and Wilton to 1390. There is an entry for Thomas de Wilton 1360/61 ("On bend cotised 2 lions pg") under the heading "On bend cotised beasts" on p. 94 of Dictionary of British Arms, vol. II. (Woodcock, Thomas, Janet Grant, & Ian Graham, The Society of Antiquaries of London, 1996.)

We note a possible conflict with Brandubh Ó Donnghaile (06/01), Per pale argent and sable chapé ployé counterchanged. There is definitely a CD for number of divisions, but "per pale" isn't substantially different from "paly". We believe there is a second CD for the chapé since this is field primary armory and you can count multiple changes to the field per RfS X.4.ii(c).


Lyondemere, Barony of

Cristal Fleur de la Mer (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A domestic cat's head caboshed sable collared Or and dependant therefrom a fleur-de-lys azure

The submitter's name was registered as Cristal Fleur Delamare in March '98. A name change to Cristal Fleur de la Mer appears on Caid's Dec. 30th, 2001 LoI.


Gottfried von Schwartzberg (New Name)


The submitter is interested in a masculine name and will not allow any changes.

Gottfried is found on p. 183 in Bahlow/Gentry where it states that the name "is one of the most popular Christian names of the Middle Ages".

von is a German locative preposition meaning "of" or "from".

Schwartzberg is a constructed name. Under the heading Schwar(d)t on p. 511, Bahlow/Gentry has "LGer. Forms Schwar(t)z, Schwarze [black, swarthy]" with Schwar(t)zkopf (undated). Under the heading Berg on p. 41 is stated "named after the place of habitation on or by a mountain (or hill); therefore numerous in southern and western parts of Germany." Weiß is the German word for "white", and under the heading Weißbrich on p. 602, the author lists Weiß(en)berg and "In Vienna freq. FN Weißenberg(er). On p. 581, Brechenmacher has "Schwaz(en)berg(er) < ON nehrf. ON Schwarz- Schwarzenberg. 1359 Walther Swartzenberger zu Friedberg".


Stanislav Norovich (New Name)


The submitter is interested in a masculine name and will not accept major changes. If the name must be changed, he is most interested in the sound.

Stanislav is found as a masculine given name on p. 173 of Wickenden dated in the desired spelling to 1555.

Norovich is a constructed name. According to p. xxi of Wickenden, -ovich is a Slavic patronymic suffix that is an exception to the standard patronymic formation and is exclusively late period. Submitted as Norbovich, we were unable to document Norb- as a protheme. However, we were able to find Norov as a heading dated to 1594 on p. 238 in Wickenden. The documented patronymic forms are Norovlev and Norovov. Thus, we believe Norovich is a possible patronymic derived from Norov, and we feel that dropping a single letter is a minor change.


Starkhafn, Barony of

Ishikawa Akirakeiko (Kingdom Resub Device)

Argent, in pale a demi-sun and a Japanese stream sable

The submitter's name appears on Caid's May 15, 2002 LoI.

Her previous submission, Argent, in pale a demi-sun and a stream reversed sable, was returned for redraw of the stream. The current emblazon matches the Pic Dic.

The Pic Dic states:

While not found in medieval European armory, a highly stylized depiction is found in Japanese Mon; and this form alone is permitted for Society heraldry. It has also been blazoned as 'barrulets bevilled arrondi'.

A Japanese stream has been registered three times - Guilliermo Ugarte de Navarra (10/92), Ryugen Morite (11/83), and Kimura Tetsuo (03/93) - and returned once. From Da'ud's second tenure:

[returning a Japanese stream] The primary charge is not blazonable in standard heraldic terminology, as required by RfS VII.7.b. (Kusunoki Yoshimoto, 9/95 p. 23).

We are unsure of why this charge should be banned, since it can be, and has been, blazoned as either "a Japanese stream" or as "barrulets bevilled arrondi".



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Bartrum, P.C., Early Welsh Genealogical Tracts. Cardiff: University of Wales Press, 1966.

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