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Minutes of the 14 April 2002 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Jan 2003 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Upcoming heraldry meetings are scheduled for May 19, June 2, July 28, Aug. 25, and Sept. 15. Meetings are tentatively scheduled for: Oct. 6, Nov. 3, and Dec. 15.

Introductions all around today include favorite colors.

We're moving!!! We give our heartfelt thanks to Eirikr and Astriðr. The new meeting place will be Jeanne-Marie's, and we will be moving after this meeting. Everyone who can, is encouraged to pitch in and help with the move.

Crescent also requests that all heralds remain with the meeting through the last submission. Some individuals must occasionally leave the meeting early, and that is inevitable, but unless there is a pressing need, please stay for the entire meeting as that will lessen the burden on those few who remain through the last few submissions.

Every territorial herald is required to be warranted. This includes an "Agreement to Serve" form signed by your Baron, Baroness and Seneschal, and a photocopy of your membership card. These must be in by Crown Tournament next Saturday, April 20.

Crescent encourages everyone to sign up for the caid_heralds electronic mailing list. It is an excellent arena for getting information, answers to heraldic questions, etc.

We would like to host the Known World Heraldic Symposium 2003. We have a copy of Trimaris' successful packet as an example of what our bid should look like. Crescent would like 3 or more bids from us so he can make a reasonable offer to host the KWHS here in Caid.

Crescent brought up the venerable Pursuivant Extraordinary "Quiz", which many individuals present have taken (all 3 or 4 hours of it). The idea of creating an exam which is only 4 or 5 questions long is discussed. Should all heralds who wish to be promoted to Pursuivant be required to take a test? Please forward all discussions to Crescent (rational arguments please). There is apparently no printed article which indicates the necessary requirements for each rank. Cornet is for any person who shows an interest in heraldry. Pursuivant is for those who have put in a quantity of time and effort and are knowledgable. Herald is reserved for the Kingdom's most senior heralds, in particular Crescent, Dolphin, and former Crescents.

A reminder that reports must be produced for all events, even those where no awards are presented. Reports can be sent electronically to .

Lyondemere is holding a Pas d'Armes tournament. Lachlann solicits aid for the day, but notes that there will not be standard heraldic introductions of the fighters. Any combattants may, if they wish, "hire" the services of a herald to introduce them onto the field. Crescent applauds the Pas tournament style for its period panoply and heraldic display; it is a style that we should encourage.

Draft precedents are available at http://home.earthlink.net/~mranc. François' precedents are current through Oct. '01.

As a reminder, you may e-mail summaries of all submissions to Jeanne-Marie 3 days prior to each CoH meeting (). Copies may also be faxed to her at [phone # suppressed for privacy].


Angels, Barony of

Cáelfind Ó Ruairc (Kingdom Resub Device)

Argent, a dragon contourny azure between a chief checky argent and azure and a base dovetailed azure

Name:
The name was approved and forwarded to Laurel at the March 2002 Caid CoH meeting.
Device:
At the same meeting this device was returned for redraw to address numerous small problems.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Calafia, Barony of

Aliyah bint al-Farees (New Name)

Name:

The submitter will not accept major changes and wants a feminine name. If the name must be changed she cares most about the meaning, which she desires to be "Aliyah, daughter of the horseman".

No documentation was provided. We have found Aliyah on p. 9 in Hamid, Azieza. The Book of Muslim Names. London: MELS, 1986.

Faris is found as a given name meaning "horseman, knight" on p. 34 of Hamid. In his discussion of variations in transliterations on p. 3, the author notes that "the long vowel i may be rendered ee or ie...". We therefore feel that the transliteration of Farees requested by the submitter is a reasonable spelling.

bint is a Arabic feminine patronymic marker "daughter of", and al is an Arabic article "the".

Submitted as Aliyah bint el Farees, we have corrected the article.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Branwen March (New Name)

Name:

The submitter desires a feminine name and will accept all changes.

Branwen is listed as a feminine given name on p. 31 of Complete Anachronist # 66, "A Welsh Miscellany" by Heather Rose Jones.

March, meaning "horse" is found on p. 33 of CA #66. It is also found as an undated heading on on p. 298 of R&W with the dated examples William de la Marche 1295, and Hugo atte Marche 1349. Under the heading March on p. 513, Bardsley gives Henry le March 1273, and Edward Marche 1584.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Clarastella Dolfi (New Device)

Bendy azure and argent, three roundels conjoined two and one counterchanged

Name:
The name was registered in August of 2001 via Caid.
Device:
This violates the rules for excessive counterchanging. We recommend that, if the submitter absolutely must have this design, she change at least one of the tinctures of the roundels to differ from that of the field (e.g. Bendy azure and argent, three roundels conjoined counterchanged gules and Or.).

DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY

Jordon of Marlborough (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wants a masculine name and will accept no changes. The submitter's legal name is Jordon Marlbrough. However, no paperwork was provided to document that fact.

Jordan is dated to 1273 as a heading on p. 180 in Withycombe, but not in the desired spelling Jordon. R&W give Jordon as an undated alternate spelling under the heading Jordan.

Marlborough is listed on some unspecified page in Ekwall under the heading Malborough stating identical names. Dated spellings include Mallberge 1270 and Merlberg 1275.

NAME PENDED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Josserand de Troyes (New Name and Device)

Argent, a knight armed cap-à-pie maintaining a mace and a shield mounted on a boar passant sable and a bordure vert

Name:

The submitter allows all changes and cares most about an unspecified language/culture.

Jossaerand is found under the heading Josse on p. 346 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms, where it is noted as a French personal name acquired from Germany.

de is a French locative preposition meaning "from".

Troyes is found under the heading Troy, Troyes on p. 579 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lochlan Wick of Brindlemyre (Laurel Resub Device)

Argent, a bend sinister azure between two mermaids in their vanity Or tailed and crined azure

Name:
Name registered in December 2001

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Darach, Shire of

Anna von Regensburg (New Name)

Name:

No boxes on the form were checked to indicate preferences.

Submitted as Anya Von Regensberg, no documentation was provided and none could be found for the given name in any of the resources of the College. Since the byname is German, we have changed the given name to the German Anna, which is found in Talan Gwynek's "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/bahlow_v.htm).

The locative preposition von should be lower case, not upper case.

Regensburg is a city in Germany found on p. 1566 of CLG, with chapels and abbey dating to the 7th C. It is also found as an undated heading on p. 388 of Bahlow's DGN. Brechenmacher, v. 2, p. 384, also includes the adjectival forms Regensburger: Conr. Regenspurger 1322 and Felix Regensburger 1414. Finally, the Encyclopædia Britannica (1955 ed., vol. 19 p. 69) a pre-Roman settlement called Radesponda was chosen by the Romans for their center of power on the upper Danube. It later became the seat of the dukes of Bavaria and a focus for the spread of Christianity; St. Emmeran founded a abbey there in the middle of the 7th century and St. Boniface established the bishopric about 100 years later. Though it counts for naught with regards to documentation, Crescent has been to the city on a number of occassions and has photographic evidence of its medieval past.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gabrielle la Belle (New Name)

Name:

No boxes on the form were checked to indicate preferences.

Gabrielle is found on p 273 in Dauzat's Noms et Prenoms as a feminine form of the heading Gabriel. Under the heading Gabriel on p. 181 of R&W Gabriele Spryg is dated to 1275.

la Belle is French for "the beautiful". On p. 352, Dauzat says that Labelle is dervied from "la belle". The masculine form le Bel is dated to 1200 on p. 31 of R&W under the heading Bell.

While it is a shame to return such a nice name, we have found an SCA conflict: Gabrielle la Belle (June '00).

NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Helgi hrafnfæðir (Kingdom Resub. Device Change)

Sable, a roundel between in fess two ravens respectant all between two bars couped Or

Device:

The submitter's current device Argent, a quill pen and a sword in saltire gules, on a chief embattled sable a compass star Or was registered in Dec. 1998 and is currently associated with the name Snorri hrafnfæðir. If this submission passes, he wishes the old device to be released.

A name change to Helgi hrafnfæðir, was accepted at the January 2002 CoH meeting. His previous submission, Sable, a roundel within two pallets couped between two ravens respectant Or, was returned at that meeting for slot machine heraldry. This submission has solved that problem with two types of co-primary charges between a pair of secondaries.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Robert Wright (New Name)

Name:

The submitter is interested in a masculine name and will accept no changes. If the name must be changed, he cares most about an unspecified meaning.

Robert is a heading on pp. 254-255 of Withycombe, where Robert(us) is dated to 1086 (DB). Black also lists the name under the heading Robertson on p. 695, with the name William Robertson (fils Robert) dated to 1371.

Wright is a heading on pp. 824-825 in Black, where Richard dictus Wright is dated to 1342.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Marcellus Drachenklaue (New Alternate Name for Marcel Longueville)

Name:

The submitter's primary name was registered in Oct. '95. He is interested in a masculine name and will not accept minor changes, but will accept major changes.

The submitter claims Marcellus to be the first Pope of the Roman Church. [He wasn't.] According to the Enyclopædia Britannica (1955 ed., vol. 14 p. 864), Marcellus I succeeded as pope in May 308, was banished from Rome in 309, and died later the same year. Marcellus II (Marcello Cervini) was born in May 6, 1501 and elected Pope April 9, 1555. He served as president of the Council of Trent before his death on April 30, 1555. Under the heading Marcellus on p. 205, Withycombe notes that "In England Marcellus has been used, very rarely, since the 16th C" and that there were two saints named Marcellus; a 1st C Roman martyr and a 4th C Pope.

von is a German locative preposition meaning "from".

Drachenklaue is a German byname meaning "dragon claw". The submitter makes reference to Ekwall (4th ed. p. 150 under Drakelow) Dracan hlawe 942. Also, Bahlow's DGN, p .76 under Dhron? mentions Draconus as a 4th century name. Page 331 of Merriam Webster's Geographical Dictionary, 3rd ed. gives Drachenfels as a peak in Siebengebirge, Germany. (Crescent notes: It's a hill on the Rhine south of Bonn. I've been there.)

Recent precedent allows the registration of Drachenklaue:

...the epithet byname Drackenhand is dated to 1367 in Brechenmacher (s.n. Drachenhand). The logic that a parallel epithet Drachenklaue could have existed allowed the registration of Katerina Drachenklaue in November 1997. [Aleksandra Drachenklaue, 08/01, A-Ansteorra]

The name was submitted as Marcellus von Drachenklaue. There is no indication that Drachenklaue takes a locative. We are forwarding the submission without the locative, which is a major change that the submitter allows. Upon further consultation with Crescent, the submitter gave verbal approval of the change.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Mary Catherine of Mull (Name Change from Mary of Mull and Kingdom Resub Device)

Or, a raven contourny gules and a base rayonny sable

Name:

The submitter's name was registered as Mary of Mull in June '00 with the comment:

Submitted as Mary Catherine of Mull, she wishes an authentic 13th-15th century name. Since double given names were not used in Britain in that time period we have dropped the second one.

This is technically not a resubmission since the name was registered in accordance with the preferences given on the submission form. We believe this is a case where the change was greater than the submitter expected and should be treated as a resubmission. (This is under discussion from the December 2001 CL). The submitter is no longer requesting an authentic name. She wishes a feminine name, and if the name must be changed she cares most about the sound.

Device:

Her previous device, Or, a crow contourny sable, a base rayonny gules, was returned by Laurel in June 2000 with the comment:

Conflict with Suzanne of Ravenhill, reblazoned elsewhere in this letter, Or, a raven contourny sable maintaining a broken tilting spear banded sable and gules. There is a CD for the addition of the base, but no CD for the removal of the maintained charge.

The new submission conflicts with Dennis Landhammer (Sep. '90), Or, a cardinal close to sinister gules within a bordure invected sable. There is a single CD for changing the peripheral charge from a bordure to a base.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT


Heatherwyne, Shire of

Gareth Marcellus of Camalodunum (Device Change)

Sable, a sword surmounted by a horse's head couped within a bordure argent

Name:
The submitter's name was registered in November 1989.
Device:
In May 1988, (under the name Gareth Morgan Tyrius) he registered Sable, a sword surmounted by a horse's head couped within a bordure argent. In December 1989, he registered a new device: Gules, in pale a lion's head cabossed environed of a pair of wings displayed and a lion's head, cabossed and inverted, environed of a pair of wings, displayed and inverted, all Or. According to the submitter, his old device should have been retained as a badge. At this time he would like to switch the badge and the device. According to the Armorial, his original device was released in December 1989. A search of paperwork at Kingdom and Laurel indicates that no instructions were given to retain his old device. For this reason, he is re-registering the original device. If this submission passes, his current device, Gules, in pale a lion's head cabossed environed of a pair of wings displayed and a lion's head, cabossed and inverted, environed of a pair of wings, displayed and inverted, all Or, is to be retained as a badge. Note that the emblazon is identical to the one registered in May 1988.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gerhard Helmbrecht von Offenbach (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A compass star quarterly argent and azure

Name:
The submitter's name was registered by in June '98.
Badge:
Eleanor Leonard has given blanket permission to conflict (accepted on the January 2002 LoAR) with her badge [Tinctureless] A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. As the compass star in Gerhard's badge is not a solid heraldic tincture, this permission to conflict is sufficient for registration.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Margaret MacIain of Lochwood (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A daisy azure seeded Or

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Lyondemere, Barony of

Tatiana de Foix (New Name and Device)

Or, on a trimount enhanced purpure a compass star Or

Name:

The submitter desired a name of female gender and will not accept any changes.

Tatiana wrote an extensive "cover sheet" for her documentation, including precedents in favor of names combining Russian and French. References were included from Academy of St. Gabriel reports 113 (for Tatiana), and 625 & 1462 (for Foix). Also included was a historical article that refers to an 11th C. marriage proposal from Henry I of France to Anna of Kiev excerpted from a Ukranian daily newspaper The Day No.36 September 28, 1999 (http://day.kiev.ua/DIGEST/1999/36/culture/cul1.htm). Apparently, no bibliography was provided for this article.

Tatiana is found under the heading Tat'iana in "Dictionary of Period Russian Names" by Paul Goldschmidt (http://sca.org/heraldry/paul/t-u.html). "Vars: Tatiana (martyr). Died in 225."

Device:

This device is drawn as something part way between a trimount, per fess indented, and some type of chief. Possible conflict with Constans Erikson (Oct '90), Purpure, a compass star within a bordure embattled Or. If this is a chief, there is only a single CD for changing the peripheral ordinary.

Possible conflict with Martin of the Fallen Star (Nov '73?), Purpure, in base a mullet of twelve points Or. If this is a field, there is a single CD for changes to the field.

This cannot be blazoned as a mountain, based on Bruce's predecent: "Mountains, as variants of mounts, should be emblazoned to occupy no more than the lower portion of the field. (Barony of Blackstone Mountain, September, 1993, p. 10)"

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Tatiana de Foix (New Badge)

[Fieldless] On a mountain couped purpure a compass star Or

Badge:
The submitter is advised that a mountain should be depicted as shown in the Pictorial Dictionary.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Nordwache, Barony of

Jamie Mac Fionnlaigh (Kingdom Resub Device)

Sable, in pale a lizard Or and an anchor Or winged argent

Name:
This name was registered in Jan. '02.
Device:
This same device was returned at the Jan. '02 kingdom heraldry meeting for incomplete forms.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Starkhafn, Barony of

Áengus O'Flaherty (Kingdom Resub Device)

Argent pellety sable, a bulls head cabossed gules

Name:
The name was registered Mar. 2000.
Device:

This same device was returned at kingdom in Jan. 2000 for redraw with the comment:

The pellets are so large, and the bull's head is almost completely on one pellet that the contrast between the red and black is insufficient. Please draw the pellets smaller, using the form of semy in which they are randomly scattered.

The submitter has included another $10 as he thinks this is beyond our free-resubmission period.

This field is not pellety, but looks more like the coloration of a dalmation. The black markings should be circles. The red should be a heraldic gules, not a brownish red.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Angel la Fiera (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wants "Angel the wild (animal)" in Spanish appropriate for the 16th Century.

Angel is documented from Juliana de Luna's "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/isabella/) where Angel appears 4 times.

la fiera appears to mean "wild beast" in Collins Concise Spanish Dictionary. It also means "cruel" and "harsh".

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Brighid Mhor inghean uí Fhlaithbertaig (New Name and Device)

Argent, in sinister chief an escarbuncle sable and on a gore purpure a dachshund sejant erect contourny Or

Name:

The submitter is interested in a feminine name, authentic for 10th century Ireland.

Brighid is found under the heading Brigit on p. 36 of ÓC&M, where it is listed as the modern form. There are 15 saints named Brigit. ÓC&M note:

The name Brigit did not come into common use in Ireland until the modern period but as Máel Brigte and Gilla Brigte 'servant of St Brigit' it was much used in the medieval period.

Mhor is the lenited form of the heading Mór found on p. 139 of ÓC&M. Mór is a feminine name and ÓC&M note that "In the tenth century, two queens of Ireland bore the name...". Later citations include "Mór, daughter of Mac Cába, who died in 1527" and "Mór, daughter of O Carroll, who died in 1548". Note that this is also an epithet. At the following URL, (http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#descriptivebyname) the article "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names" by Sharon L. Krossa includes the comment:

The standard way to form a name using a descriptive adjective byname for women is:
<single given name> <descriptive adjective (always lenited with certain exceptions)>
which means
<descriptive adjective> <given name>
For example:
Dearbhorgaill Mhór
which means
Big Dearbhorgaill (or, fully Anglicized, Big Dervorgilla)

inghean is a Gaelic patronymic marker meaning "daughter of"

uí Fhlaithbhertaig is found under the heading Flaithbertach (the early form of the name) on p. 104 of ÓC&M, which notes "From Flaithbertach mac Eimín, who probably flourished in the tenth century, descend the Uí Fhlaithbertaig (O Flahertys), who once ruled as kings of Connacht." Woulfe has Ó Flaithbheartaigh as a heading on p. 529.

Submitted as Brighid Mhor inghean ui Fhlaithbhertaig, the name was changed to Brighid Mhor inghean uí Fhlaithbeartaig.

Device:
According to a website provided by the submitter, the dachshund has been seen in illustrations back to the 15th century. Please inform the submitter that documentation (that dachshunds are a period breed of dog) needs to be included with every submitted copy of the device form. There are proceedings from a KWHS symposium (1982?) with an article on period dog breeds. This is being returned for charging the gore, a practice that was banned since the Cover Letter of the Mar. '92 LoAR.

NAME APPROVED AS CHANGED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR A CHARGED GORE

Constance Lisette (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wants an early (<1000) French name.

Constance is found on p. 72 in Withycombe which states that it came from France after the Norman Conquest and is dated to 1273 in England.

Lisette is found as an undated diminutive of the heading Elizabeth on pp. 99-100 of Withycombe. Lisette is dated to 1528 in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France" by Talan Gwynek. (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/latefrenchfem.html)

According to precedent "Unmarked matronymics are found in English, so this name may be viewed as a given name + matronymic. [Astrith Alexandra, 08/01, A-Trimaris]." While not necessarily authentic for French, this name should be registerable as an English given name with an unmarked metronymic.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

L'Amante d'el Mar de Arenales (New Household Name for Esteban el Rojo)

Name:

The submitter's name was approved and forwarded to Laurel after the Jan. '02 CoH meeting. The submitter wants a ship name authentic for 16th Century Spain (Castillo/Lyon). He wants ship's name to be feminine. The submitter believes that the name means "Mistress (Lover) of the Sea of Sandy Grounds".

Amante appears to mean "lover" in Collins Concise Spanish Dictionary

Mar appears to mean "sea" ibid.

Arenal appears to mean "sandy spot" ibid. The submitting herald also notes "I have also found a 'Parque Regional Salinas y Arenales de San Pedro del Pinatar' which appears to translate as "Regional Park - Salt Mines and Sandy Grounds".

No evidence was found that this is a period formation for the name of a Spanish ship. The submitter should be informed that it is doubtful that period Spanish would have used an apostrophe.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION OF PERIOD FORMATION

Grace Emeline of Ravenswood (New Device Change)

Vert, on a cross moline disjointed a sun Or

Name:
The submitter's name was registered in Oct. '95.
Device:

If this submission is registered, her current device, Azure, in fess a mouse sejant erect contourny argent supporting a chalice Or, registered in Oct. '95, is to be released.

This device is almost completely unrecognizable, and must be returned. The arms of a cross Moline disjointed must be connected pairwise, not drawn fitchy.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY

Nikolai Demonov (New Name and Device)

Per pale purpure and argent, a white calla lily and a purple calla lily proper stems crossed in saltire

Name:

If the name must be changed, the submitter cares more about the meaning(?) and accepts all changes.

Nikolai is found on p. 237 of Wickenden 3rd ed., dated to 1291.

Demon is found on p. 64 of Wickenden 3rd ed., dated to 1330. Page xxii of Wickenden 3rd ed. shows the formation of a patronymic: If Anton becomes Antonov, then Demon should become Demonov.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Tatiana Ell'eva (New Device)

Argent, on a sun gules a mask of comedy Or conjoined in bend to a mask of tragedy argent

Name:
The submitter's name was approved and forwarded to Laurel at the Oct. '01 CoH meeting.
Device:
This device conflicts with SCA armory: Drstha Maida of the Lowara, Argent, upon a sun gules a dexter hand apaumy couped argent, Mar '78?

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT


Western Seas, Barony of

Matthias de Maldegem (Kingdom Resub Name and Device)

Per pale and per chevron azure and argent, a chevron checky argent and sable between two fleurs-de-lys Or and two single-headed chess knights sable

Name:

Submitted as Mathias du Martgarten at the Sep. '01 meeting, it was returned for lack of documentation of the byname. The same device was returned for redraw at that meeting. The submitter wants a name of male gender, authentic for 14th C. France. If it must be changed he cares most about the sound, and will allow any changes.

The submitter claims that "Mathias is variation of the name Matthew which is part of my mundane name." That's fine, but the mundane name allowance only allows the exact spelling of one's mundane name. Matthias is found under the heading Matthew on pp. 213-4 of Withycombe. Within this entry Mattheus is dated to 1086 and Matheus to 1166, 1273, and 1316. Matthias is one of the spellings of the heading, but apparently dates to the 17th century (Matthias was used in the Authorized Version of the Bible). Webster's Biographical has several people named Matthias dated to period - Maattias, Holy Roman Emperor 1612-19, Matthias Corvinus, King of Hungary 1458-1490 (Mátyás Hollós). Upon further consultation with Crescent, the submitter gave verbal approval to change the given name to the documented form Matthias.

The submitter did not provide any documentation for the byname, but asserts that "Maldegem is the name of a city in Belgium just north of the French bordure [sic]." The website "International Civic Heraldry" (http://www.ngw.nl/int/bel/m/maldegem.htm) notes

The arms were granted on September 27, 1909. The arms are derived from the old arms of the Lords of Maldegem. The first known arms of a Lord of Maldegem date from 1307. Philips, Lord of Maldegem, used a seal with a knight holding a shield with a cross and 12 merles. In the Gelre Roll of Arms from the early 14th century the arms of the Lords of Maldegem are shown as gold, with a red cross and 12 red merles.

NAME (AS CHANGED) AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


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