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Minutes of the 19 August 2001 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Jan 2002 LoAR, and it's corrections and decisions that got clipped]

Notes and Announcements

The meeting started at approximately 11:30 with a rather large attendance. In order to become better acquainted with some of the new faces at the meeting, we began with a round of introductions.

The next kingdom heraldry meeting will be held on September 9, and as usual, it will be the last meeting before Crown Tourney. Heralds will be needed at Crown Tourney. Please come and lend a hand.

Madawc is accepting applications from anyone interested in becoming his successor as Crescent Principal Herald. All applications should include SCA and legal (mundane) name, heraldic experience, administrative experience and any other information that might be pertinent to the job. Madawc is also asking those submitting applications to include suggestions on changes and improvements that you would like to make to the Crescent's office and/or the College of Heralds. Applications should be tendered by November 10.

Jeanne Marie Lacroix is compiling the Laurel Precedents of Dame Elsbeth Anne Roth. The latest draft version, updated through July 2001, may be found at: http://www.drakesheight.com/jeannemarie/ (NOTE: These are now at http://home.earthlink.net/~mranc/)

The caid_heralds mailing list is open for discussion of all things heraldic, with concentration on heraldry as practiced in the Kingdom of Caid. If you would like to add yourself to the mailing list [original subscription directions deleted in favor of a link to the list page.]

New changes to the Rules for Submission were read to the group assembled. The full text of the changes are available here: http://sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/06/01-06cl.html


Caid, Kingdom of

Caid, Kingdom of: for the Arts & Sciences Pentathlon (New Badge)

[Fieldless] Five crescents conjoined in annulo, horns outward argent

Name:
The kingdom's name was registered in Feb. 1975.
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found. This is visually similar to, but clear of Purpure, six crescents in annulo argent (Cassandra Cernakova, May 1985). There is a CD for fieldlessness and another for the arrangement/orientation of the crescents.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Altavia, Barony of

Andrés Miguel Rodriguez de la Rosa (Device Change)

Per pale sable and purpure, a winged rabbit rampant maintaining in its dexter forepaw a rapier Or

Device:

If this device change passes, the submitter wishes to release his currently registered device (Nov. 2000): Per bend sable and Or, a winged rabbit segreant maintaining in its sinister paw a sword Or and a rose sable barbed and seeded proper.

No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Andrei Grigorievich Topolev (New Alternate Name: Andrew MacGregor Toberlivet)

Name:

Name registered Dec. 1990 via the Middle. The submitter wants a masculine Scots name as close as possible in pronunciation to his registered primary name. He cares most about the sound and will not accept major changes.

Andrew is a heading on p. 23 of Withycombe, which asserts that the name enjoyed great popularity in the Middle Ages. Dated spellings include Andreas 1086, Andreu 1273, and Anderewe 1379. In a bizarre coincidence, Andrew is also a heading on p. 23 of Black, with various dated forms including Andreas 1242, the patronymic forms fiz Andrew 1296, Andree 1330, and Andro 1399. MacGregor is a heading on p. 505 in Black, with dated examples M'Gregare 1500, and McGrigour 1586. Toberlivet is a constructed locative purported to mean "of the well by the slippery place". The submitter is a self-proclaimed klutz. Tober- is found on p. 268 of Darton, which says "adapted form of 't[i]obor': well." -livet is found on p. 174 of Darton, which calls it the "elided form of liobhaite: 'of the slippery place'." CLG lists both Tobermory p. 1922 and Glenlivet p. 687 as places in Scotland.

We are thus suggesting that Toberlivet is a plausible construction.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Angels, Barony of

Elspeth of Foxden (New Device)

Per fess purpure and vert, on a fess between a greyhound courant and a cat sejant argent, a popinjay proper

Name:
registered July 1999
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found. Some at the meeting commented that this submission had the appearance of "slot machine" heraldry but the greyhound and the cat are secondaries, while the popinjay is a tertiary, making this acceptable.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ugo Dracul (Name Change and Device)

Per bend sinister checky sable and Or and gules, in sinister base a wyvern in annulo argent

Name:
This is a name change from Hugo Dracul, registered in June 1994 via the West. The submitter wishes his old name to be released upon registration of this name. Ugo is an Italian given name found on the St. Gabriel website article, "Italian Names from Florence, 1427" http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/ferrante/catasto/. It is also found as a heading in de Felice on p. 346. Dracul is grandfathered to the submitter.
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Calafia, Barony of

Caintigern of Ainsley (Resub Laurel Device)

Vert, semy of bells argent, a domestic cat guardant argent spotted of various tinctures

Name:
registered Mar. 1998
Device:

Laurel returned the previous submission, Vert, semy of bells Or, a cat sejant guardant argent spotted of various tinctures in Mar. 1998 with the comment:

The use of multi colored spots appear to be unique to the heraldic panther in period. Just as we do no longer allow the use of unicorn horns on random animals, neither do we allow the use of variously tinctured spots.

Though we note that this submission is a much better drawing, it did not fix the problem noted in the original Laurel return. We advise the submitter to keep some space between the primary charge and the charges in the semy so that they remain easy to distinguish and visually separate despite sharing the same base tincture.

DEVICE IS RETURNED FOR VIOLATING THE LAUREL PRECEDENT STATED

Dafydd MacDonald (Resub Laurel Badge)

[Fieldless] A greyhound's head erased argent collared vert

Name:
registered Nov. 2000
Device:

The submitter's previous badge submission [Fieldless] A greyhound's head argent, was returned in June 2001 with the comment:

This was pended from the November 2000 LoAR for a discussion as to whether we should give a CD between a greyhound and a wolf. The commentary was strongly in favor of keeping the current practice, thus the badge is in conflict with the badge for William of Hoghton, Sable, a grey wolf's head erased proper. There is a CD for fieldlessness, but a grey wolf's head is effectively an argent head, and, by the discussion noted above, there is not a CD between a wolf and a greyhound. See the cover letter for a more thorough discussion. The addition of the collar has cleared the cited conflict, per the precedents of Jaelle (Isabella d'Hiver, 7/97 p. 8). No armorial conflicts were found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ghislaine de Lyon (New Name and Device)

Or, two panthers combatant sable sustaining between them a rose, a bordure purpure

Name:
Ghislain is a heading on p. 291 in Dauzat, which states that it is a northern variant of Giséle. Giséle is called a baptismal name on p. 294 of Dauzat, where it is found as a heading, listing Ghislain as a variant and possibly a hypochoristic form. The final -e has been added to Ghislain, creating the feminine form. Lyon is found as a heading on p. 401 of Dauzat.
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ioan Kendrick (New Name and Device)

Bendy sinister vert and Or, a wolf rampant within an orle argent

Name:
Ioan is found on p. 88 in ÓC&M under the heading Eoin and dated to the 13th century. Kendrick is found on p. 263 in R&W under the heading Kenrick, Kendrick, et al. with Richard Kendrick dated to 1593. It would be better to render the name entirely in Gaelic, or entirely English, but combining the two is a registerable wierdness.
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found. We advise the submitter to draw fewer bends and make them larger to help make the charges more identifiable.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Jaïs de Cantur (New Name and Device)

Per pale vert and azure, a sun argent and a bordure per pale checky azure and argent and checky vert and argent

Name:

The submitter wants a feminine name and cares most about the sound. She will accept any changes to the surname, but none to the given name.

Jaïs is a heading on p. 339 of Dauzat, where it is said to be a French form of the Hebrew Yaïch. de Cantur appears in the form Otebon de Cantur in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" by Colm Dubh: http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html.

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found. We note that the size of the bordure might lead to the appearance of an inescutcheon of pretense. We recommend that the submitter draw the bordure narrower to avoid this.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

ADDENDUM: The submitter is not entirely happy with this name as submitted. Through private correspondence she has conveyed her wish to submit a different name. Therefore, this name submission is withdrawn by the submitter. The device submission is pended until she submits a new name.

Laura Lynn of Lonsdale (New Device)

Per fess gules and sable, a lion's head erased between three lion's jambes erased Or

Name:
registered Sept. 1988 via Meridies
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ramón di Diego (Kingdom Resub Name and New Device)

Quarterly sable and argent, a cross patonce saltirewise counterchanged

Name:

The previous name submission, Ramon Allie del Diego, was returned at kingdom in June 2001 for lack of documentation for the second given name. This submission omits the problematic element.

Ramón is a heading found on p. 312 in de Felice. Diego is a heading on p. 127 of de Felice. Both name elements are undated, as is common in de Felice.

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

William of Craucester (New Name and Device)

Sable, on a cross argent in cross a sword inverted and an arrow sable, a bordure argent

Name:

The submitter wants an authentic mid- to late 14th century English masculine name and will not accept major changes. If the name must be changed, he cares most about the language/culture.

William is a heading on pp. 293-4 of Withycombe, which claims the name was brought to England by the Normans. Also found under the heading Williams on p. 493 of R&W, with the patronymic forms Henry Fitz William dated to 1300, and Thomas William dated to 1327.

Craucester appears on p. 115 of R&W under the heading Craster, with the example Albert de Craucestre dated to the 13th c. The heading Leicester on p. 276 of R&W dates de Leycester to 1287, de Laycestre to 1305 and Lycester to 1381 , which justifies transposing the trailing -re for -er, as was done in the submitted name.

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Carreg Wen, Shire of

Kára Ortwinsdóttir (New Name and Device)

Vert, an owl and on a chief argent three decrescents sable

Name:

This is a resubmission of an original submission made via Drachenwald. No notification was given of the original return. The submitter wants an authentic 10th c. Icelandic/Norse feminine name and will not accept major changes.

Kára is found on p. 12 of Geirr Bassi. Submitted as Ortwin_n_sdottir, Ortwin is a heading on p. 396 of Bahlow with examples of use as a given name dated 1100, 1182, 1311, and 1364.

-dóttir is a Norse feminine patronymic suffix meaning "daughter" as found on pp. 17-8 of Geirr Bassi.

NAME (AS CHANGED) AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lazarus von Kyrburg (New Name and Device)

Per pale sable and gules, two axes in saltire and on a chief embattled Or three ravens proper

Name:

This is a resubmission of an original submission made via Drachenwald. No notification was given of the original return. The submitter will not accept major changes and wants an authentic 13th-14th c. masculine German name.

Lazarus is found dated to 1400 in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia" by Talan Gwynek: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/bahlow/. von is a German locative preposition meaning "from". Kyrburg is dated to 1128 from a website provided by the submitter: (http://home.t-online.de/home/kyrburg/kyrburg.htm). "Die Kyrburg wird 1128 erstmalig in einer Urkunde des Grafen 'Emich de Kirberc' und seines Bruder Gerlach erwähnt", which translates as: "The Kyrburg is first mentioned in an 1128 deed of the counts Emich de Kirberc and his brother Gerlach."

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Darach, Shire of

Grace Thorne (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wants a feminine name and cares most about the sound. If the name must be changed, she will allow the -e drop to be dropped from Thorne, but will not accept major changes.

Grace is a heading on p. 138 of Withycombe, dated in this spelling to 1562. Under the heading Thorn, Thorne... on p. 444 of R&W are dated examples William Thorn 1206, and Thornes 1275. The heading Thorn on p. 746 of Bardsley dates Hugh Thorne to 1273.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Thomas James (New Name)

Name:
Thomas is found as a heading on pp. 279-280 of Withycombe dated to the 13th century. James is a heading found on p. 252 of R&W with the example Walter, Emma James, c. 1187.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Wilhelm von Frankfurt (New Name and Device)

Per bend sinister azure and purpure, a trident's head inverted Or

Name:
Wilhelm is a heading on p. 613 of Bahlow dated a. 1171. von is a German locative preposition meaning "from". Frankfurt is found on p. 637 in CLG charted in 1253 a.d.
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Gyldenholt, Barony of: for the Order of the Forêt d'Or (Resub Laurel Badge)

[Fieldless] A tree within and conjoined to an annulet Or

Name:
The barony's name was registered in Jan. 1980.
Device:

Laurel returned the previous submission of this badge in June 2000, with the comment:

The tree is not within and conjoined to the annulet; it is slightly overall. This type of "slightly overall" charge has long been a cause for return.

This submission has fixed the problem.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

James of Wiverneweald (New Badge)

[Fieldless] An ermine spot sable

Name:
registered in May 1998
Device:
This submission has red racing stripes on the black ermine spot, which is color on color. The submitter intends the charge to be an "erminite" which is a Victorianism and not period for the SCA.

BADGE RETURNED FOR NON-PERIOD CHARGE

Stephen de Montfort of Huntington (New Name and Device)

Gules, a bend cotised argent between a fleur-de-lys and an escallop Or

Name:

Stephen is found as a heading on p. 273 of Withycombe, which says it became a common Christian name soon after the Norman Conquest and occurs in DB. Dated examples include Stefanus 1086, 1196-1220; Stephanus 1273; Steuen 1379; and Steven 1450, 1515. R&W give the unmarked patronymic Robert Stephen dated to 1260 under the heading Stephen, Stephens... on p. 426.

Under the heading Montford, Montfort... on p. 313 of R&W is given Hugo de Montfort 1086. Huntington is found as a heading and dated to 1202 a.d. on p. 258 of Ekwall. It is also found under the heading Huntingdon on p. 315 in Johnson, but if there is a date, no one bothered to provide it.

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Heatherwyne, Shire of

James of Nayland (Kingdom Resub Name and Device)

Sable, on a pile Or in pale three winged lions segreant gules

Name:

The submitter wants a masculine name. If the name must be changed he cares most about the sound, but he will not accept major changes.

James appears as a heading on p. 171 of Withycombe, dated in this spelling to the beginning of the 13th c. Nayland is a heading in Ekwall on p. 337 with dated examples: Eilanda 1066, Leiland 1234, Neiland 1227, and Stoke atte Neylaunde 1303. Ekwall says: "The N- has been carried over from the dative of the definite article (atten Eilande from OE {ae}t {th}{ae}m eglande became atte Neilande). The change may have taken place particularly in the name Stoke by Nayland [Stoke atte Neylaunde 1303 Ch]."

Device:
The device conflicts with Sable, on a pile throughout Or a spiderweb throughout sable charged with a Laurel wreath vert [Grimfells, Oct. 1982] with only one CD for all changes to the tertiary charges.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Lassarfina inghean uí Cheallaigh (Kingdom Resub Name)

Name:

Lassarfina is found in the Academy of St. Gabriel's online article "Feminine Given Names in the Annals of Connacht: 1224-1544" by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/AnnalsConnacht/FemGivenNamesAlpha.html.

Ceallaigh is found undated on p. 175 of MacLysaght under the heading (O) Kelly.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ramiro the Sicilian (New Name and Device)

Barry wavy azure and argent, a wyvern sejant gules

Name:

Submitted as Ramiro the Sicil_l_ian, the submitter wants a masculine name and will accept all changes.

Ramiro is found in "A Partial List of Leonese and Castilian Given Names 1050-1200" by Diego Mundoz: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/diego/reilly.html. It is also found as an undated heading on p. 312 of de Felice. Under the heading Ranimirus, p. 111-112 of Diez Melcon dates Martin Ramiro to 1267.

Sicillian is intended to be a locative for someone coming from Sicily. We were unable to document this spelling; the OED gives Sicilian. The byname has been changed to reflect this.

Device:
We advise the submitter to draw fewer waves more consistently, and with deeper troughs. This is technically clear of Barry wavy argent and azure, a dragon segreant and in chief three fleurs-de-lys gules, (Griffith Dragonlake, Aug. 1992) with a CD for the posture of the dragon and a CD for removing the secondary charges (fleurs-de-lys); however, we request a visual comparison.

NAME (AS CHANGED) AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ulrica von Retelsdorf (Laurel Resub Name, Kingdom Resub Device)

Purpure, on a fess embattled argent, two wildcats statant erect guardant sable

Name:

The previous name submitted, Ulrike von Retelsdorf, was returned by Laurel April 1999 stating:

According to the submitter, Ulrike is the feminine form of Ulrich.

Unfortunately, no documentation could be found to support that usage in period. Furthermore, no documentation was presented for Retelsdorf.

The LoI said that [t]here is a town named Rettel found under Rettenbach on p. 392 of (Bahlow-Geographische). While there is a minor difference in the spelling, we consider the name Retelsdorf (Retel's Village) plausible given the existence of a town of Rettel. Since no information was given for the derivation of Retels, we have no way of determining if the argument is valid.

We were unable to document Ulrica to period. The submitter explicitly allows the masculine form, Ulrich. von is a German locative preposition meaning "from". Under the heading Rettenbach, Bahlow's DgN has: "mehrfach bach- u. ortsname in Bayern-Würt wird deutlich durch Rettenschwang (wang=Weise) ...Rettel a[m] Mosel". In English: repeated stream and place name in Bavaria-Württemberg is clear through Rettenschwang (wang=manner) ...Rettel on the Mosel (river). Though undated, Bahlow gives several town names with Rett- as a protheme. We have also found an undated town Retelsdorf located in Germany, but we aren't going to tell you where we found it. We believe that this supports our previous contention that Retelsdorf is a plausible town name.

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

William Kendrick (New Device)

Azure, an increscent moon between three mullets argent

Name:
forwarded on the July 10, 2001 Caidan LoI
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Ildhafn, Shire of

Asbjorn Pedersen Marsuin (Kingdom Resub Device)

Per fess vert and azure, a fess engrailed counter-invected argent between a bear rampant maintaining in its dexter paw a lightning bolt fesswise and a dolphin naiant Or

Name:
submitted on the April 4 Caidan LoI
Device:
The previous submission, Per fess engrailed vert and azure, a bear rampant maintaining a lightning bolt fesswise and a dolphin naiant Or, was returned for poor contrast over a complex line of division. No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Beatriz de Santiago de Compostela (New Name and Device)

Per pale purpure and argent, two sea-lions combattant and a bordure embattled counterchanged

Name:
Beatriz is found undated under the heading Beatrix, Beatrice on p. 44 of Withycombe. Submitted as de Santiago _ Compostella, we have added the second de to match our research, as the submitter will allow minor changes. Santiago de Compostela (or Santiago) is a town in the northwest region of Spain that gained fame in the Middle Ages as one of the major destinations of Christian pilgrims from the 11th century on. The submitter cites the Atlas of Medieval Europe by Donald Matthew, which only refers to Compostela and we understand it to mean Santiago de Compostela. Santiago de Compostela is found on p. 1694 in CLG under the heading Santiago. The city is also found under the heading Santiago de Compostella on p. 978 in the Encyclop{ae}dia Britannica (1955 ed.) which says "In 1078 the erection of the present cathedral was begun and it was consecrated in 1211."
Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Emrys Tudur (New Name and Device)

Per pale gules and argent, two dragons combattant within a bordure embattled counterchanged

Name:

The submitter wants an authentic late 15th c. Welsh-English masculine name. He will not accept major changes.

Emrys is found on p. 30 of The Complete Anachronist #66 in a list of men's names. The heading Ambrose on p. 18 of Withycombe has Emrys as an undated Welsh name. Tudur is also in a list of men's names from The Complete Anachronist #66 on p. 31. This is the submitter's preferred spelling (not Tudor). The heading Tudor on p. 456 in R&W dates Tudur ap Llywelyn to 1391. The construction is cited from p. 28-30 of The Complete Anachronist #66; late period surnames being derived from earlier patronymics.

Baldwin's precedents state:

I have strong reservations about permitting either Tudor or Tudora. I'm afraid that no matter how harmless or common these may have been in period, most SCA members will see only an association with the House of Tudor, which they will perceive to be a claim "that one is a member of a royal family or is of royal birth." [BoE, 12 May 85, p. 4]

Device:
No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME RETURNED FOR PRESUMPTION
DEVICE PENDED FOR LACK OF NAME

Ínigo Missaglia (Device Change)

Purpure, a chevron between three grape leaves inverted Or, overall an orle of chain argent

Name:
forwarded to Laurel on the April 4 Caidan LoI
Device:

The previous submission, Purpure, a chevron between three grape leaves within an orle Or, was sent to Laurel on the April LoI. However, he has decided to alter his device to reflect his elevation to the Order of the Chivalry in February 2001 by changing the solid gold orle to an orle of silver chain.

No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Lyondemere, Barony of

Catalina Oro Sol (Laurel Resub Device)

Azure, a sun Or between three mullets argent and a bordure Or

Name:
registered May, 2000
Device:
Her previous submission: Gules, a sunburst Or issuant from clouds within a bordure Or was returned by Laurel in March 2000. This is a complete redesign. The bordure needs to be thicker and the mullets larger.

RETURNED FOR REDRAW WITHOUT A CONFLICT CHECK

Cristal Fleur Delamare (Device Change)

Per pale azure and Or, a fleur-de-lys and a bordure counterchanged

Name:
registered in March 1998
Device:

This is a change from her currently registered device Per pale vert and azure, a fleur-de-lys and a bordure embattled Or, which she wishes to have released upon the registration of this device.

No armorial conflicts were found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gerhart von Cynnabar (New Name and Device)

Lozengy argent and sable, a chevron inverted gules

Name:
Gerhart is found in the Academy of St. Gabriel's online article, "Late Period German Masculine Given Names" by Talan Gwynek: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/germmasc/plauen15.html. It is also found on p. 166 of Bahlow under the heading Gerhard(t) dated to the mid 1500's in the preferred spelling. von is a German locative preposition meaning "from". Cynnabar is the SCA name for the barony that encompasses Ann Arbor, Michigan which was registered by Laurel in July 1983 via the Middle.
Device:
The device conflicts with: Per pale and per chevron inverted Or and sable, a chevron inverted gules. [Erliss Greylizard (9/71)] There is only one CD for changes to the field.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Richard de Blakemore (New name)

Name:

Richard is found as a heading on pp. 253-4 of Withycombe, which says the name had great popularity in the Middle Ages, with dated spellings Ricard 1086, 1186-1220, 1273, 1306; and Rycharde c.1440.

Blakemore is found under the heading Blackmore on p. 47 in R&W, which gives Nicholas de Blakemore c.1307. Unfortunately, this name conflicts with Sir Richard Blackmore, English physician and writer (c.1650-1729), and the English novelist Richard Doddridge Blackmore (1825-1900), both of whom are found in the Encyclop{ae}dia Britannica.

NAME RETURNED FOR PRESUMPTION


Nordwache, Barony of

Conor de Carlton (New Name and Device)

Vert, a trident Or

Name:
Conor is found undated on p. 72 of Withycombe under the heading Con(n)or. The Gaelic version of the name is found under the heading Conchobar on p. 57 of ÓC&M and dated to 882. de Carlton is found in R&W under the heading Carlton on p. 84, with de Carleton dated to 1031, 1163, 1240-1, and 1379.
Device:

We advise the submitter to fatten up the trident. We cite the arms of Bedivere de Byron (6/99): Azure, a serpent entwined around a trident palewise Or. We believe it to be clear with a CD for the changes to the field and another CD for the removal of the serpent. We ask the College to make a visual check.

No armorial conflicts were found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Jamie Finnloech (New Name and Device)

Sable, on a cross formy Or a rosebud proper and in chief a natural salamander Or

Name:

The submitter wants a masculine name and will accept all changes. If the name must be changed, he cares most about the meaning, which he believes to be "fair hero".

Jamie is found on pp. 170-172 of Withycombe, as an undated diminutive of James, which is the heading. Jamie is also a heading in Black on p. 382 with the unmarked patronymic surnames Robert Jame dated to 1537 and Elizabeth Jamie dated to 1623. Finnloech is found on pp. 264-5 of Black under the heading Finlay, which states the name is spelled "in Marianus Scotus (c.1080, but text of later date) Finnloech". While the name would be more accurately rendered either entirely in Gaelic or entirely in English, combining the two is a registerable wierdness.

Device:
From the precedents of Da'ud's second tenure, part 2: "rosebuds are no longer registerable." (CL 11/94)

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR NON-PERIOD CHARGE


Starkhafn, Barony of

Magnus Mac Raith: House Black Talon (New Personal Name, Household Name and Badge)

Argent, a bird's leg erased a la quise within a bordure sable

Name:

Magnus is found as a heading on p. 132 in ÓC&M, which says the name "did not become popular until the late twelfth century." It is also a heading found in Black on p. 573, where Magnus Caddenheid is dated to 1633. It should be noted that Magnus was introduced by the Normans.

mac Raith is found as a heading on p. 128 of ÓC&M. It is also found as a heading in Black on p. 479, where dated examples include Makmekrathe (= son of Macrath) 1477; William McAge McRethe 1537; John Makcreith 1535, and Sir Robert McCraith 1545. The byname is also found as a given name in Woulfe on p. 424 under the heading Mag Rait, but not in the desired spelling. Because Mac Raith is a given name, we suspect a proper patronymic is formed by rendering the entire given name into the genitive case. This would give Magnus mac Mhic Raith. Rather than making such a large change, we chose to make the smallest possible change, and render the name in Scots: Magnus MacCreith. We beg the more knowledgeable members of the College of Arms to lend their expertise.

Household Name:
We do not have documentation at this time to support the household name. Colm Dubh's article on English Inn Names shows only heads and horns as body parts in such names.
Device:
No armorial conflicts found.

NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
HOUSEHOLD NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Michael Halsson (Laurel Resub Name)

Name:

The previous name submission, Michael Haroldsson, was returned by Laurel in Aug. 2000 for conflict with Mikjal Haraldson.

Michael is found as a heading in Withycombe on p. 219 and dated to 1196. We note, that the name Hallsson is a plausible Norse patronymic formed from the given name Halr. Halsson itself has not been discovered. Since the submitter allows neither major nor minor changes, we are therefore forced to return this name. We wish to advise the submitter that not allowing changes is counterproductive when requesting that your name be spelled in a particular way and the documentation you provide supports a somewhat different spelling.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Muirenn ingen mhic Mhàrtainn (New Name)

Name:

Muirenn is found as a heading and dated to 831 in ÓC&M on p. 141.

MacMhàrtainn is found undated under the heading McMartin on p. 541 in Black. Dated examples include Adam filius Gilmur Makmartin 1290, Fergus McMartin 1329, Gillaspic mac Marten c.1364, and Finlaw M'Mertin 1513. This was originally submitted as Muirenn ingen MacMhàrtainn. According to Gaelic name construction, the father's name needs to be in the genitive case. At the meeting, the name was changed to Muirenn ingen mhic Mhartain. This submission generated a great debate. It is unclear whether this is saying the father's given name is Martain or Mac Martain. The documentation also suggests the devotional name Mac Gillemartin. We beg the more knowledgeable members of the College of Arms to lend their expertise.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Wintermist, Shire of

Alan of the Dale (New Name)

Name:
This name is far too evocative of the well-known literary character Alan a'Dale, from the Robin Hood legends.

NAME RETURNED FOR PRESUMPTION

Malcolm Aikman (New Name)

Name:

The submitter wants a male name, cares most about the language/culture, which he didn't bother to specify, and will accept all changes.

Malcolm is a heading on p. 204 of Withycombe, though undated in this form, other spellings forms include Malcolum 1086, Maukolum 1207, Malculmus 1303, and Malcolinus 1316. Malcolm is also a heading on p. 576 in Black, where it is dated to 1204 as a given name in this spelling.

Aikman is a heading on pp. 11-12 of Black, where it is dated in this spelling to 1575, and the spelling Akeman is dated to 1286.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Martin FitzJames (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A sword inverted argent surmounted by a rose proper

Name:
registered in Jan. 2000
Badge:
No armorial conflicts were found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Móirín Chiardhubh ní Bhárdáin (Kingdom Resub Badge)

[Fieldless] On a demi-sun sable, a spiral hunting horn reversed argent

Name:
registered in Jan. 1997
Badge:
The previous submission, [Fieldless] A hunting horn reversed argent was returned for conflict at kingdom. No armorial conflicts were found with this new design.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


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