Minutes of the 8 July 2001 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Dec 2001 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

For the benefit of the newer heralds, Crescent notes that a change needs to be made in the current Herald's Handbook. All armory submissions must include 3 color copies and 2 black and white, not 3 color and 1 b/w. This is in addition to a file copy for each of the territories involved: barony, shire, canton, college, etc.

Next week is Lyondemere Anniversary. Lachlann needs assistance, as last year there was a severe shortage of heralds for the fields of the day. He also requests that all court business be given early, and notes that there will be a presentation court after the main court.

Darkwell War will be held July 27-29 in Dun Or. Golden Antelope requests assistance with crying camp and making announcements. James of the Lake will be staffing a consultation table part of the time as well.

The hostess, Astriðr, notes that there are three garbage receptacles; one for refuse, another for recyclable materials, such as paper and plastic, and a third for redeemable recyclables, like aluminum cans and soda bottles.

CP Prize Tournament was held yesterday. The kingdom with the best newsletter continues to maintain that position. Fundraising on the day brought in over $5000, with the arts auction netting over $1600, and the sheep-to-shawl workshop and raffle over $700.

Caid, Kingdom of

Caid, Kingdom of: for the Company of Clothiers of Caid (New Badge)

Azure, issuant from a maunche reversed, a hand maintaining a threaded needle argent

No armorial conflicts found.


Altavia, Barony of

Geoffrey of Ormond (Kingdom Resub Name [Returned June 2001])


Geoffrey is found as a heading in Withycombe on page 128 and dated as a given name in this spelling to the 12th C.

Ormond is an undated locative surname found as a heading on page 240 of MacLysaght. Also, under the heading Ormond, page 572 of Bardsley dates the names Thomas Ormu(n)de to 1379; William Ormond to 1602, and John Ormond to 1634.


Erenric of Devon (Laurel Resub Name)


Laurel registered the name Erenric of Devon, which was the form forwarded by the Caidan College in 1994. His intended spelling was Eranric of Devon. He then appealed Laurel's registered spelling without support, which the Caidan College returned for lack of documentation in 1996. The submitter is now appealing directly to Laurel for an opinion.

Eranric is proposed to be an Anglo-Saxon dithematic name. Eran- is an alternate spelling of æren, the A-S word for "brazen, made of brass", found on page 194 of Toller. The meaning was found under æren in Clark-Hall on page 9. -ric is an A-S deuterotheme, found as a heading on page 186 of Bosworth, and in Searle on page 399.

Devon is a shire in England, whose name in various spellings dates to the 9th C. The name is spelled as in the heading on page 143 of Ekwall.

We do not agree that the construction of the name is justified, but are forwarding the submission to Laurel as required. We ask for the College's help in documenting the submitter's choice of spelling.


Angels, Barony of

Estella Violant Isabella Lucretzia Borgen de la Borsas Blancas (Name Resub)


The previous name submission, Jehenne Borgen, was returned at kingdom in May 1999 for lack of documentation (apparently; but no reason is given in the file).

The submitter desires that this name be authentic for Spanish, and appears to be interested in retaining the initials of the name. We have no evidence that initials were a consideration in period naming practices. The pattern of this name apparently consists of four given names, a surname, and a locative (or possibly family name, but given the existence of the town, apparently a locative). Past Laurel precedents (Laurel Da'ud II) do not support a name this complex, even on the Iberian penninsula. Notes from Dame Elsbeth's class on Spanish naming practices (taught by Elsbeth Anne Roth, Pennsic XXVI) do not support such a complex name.


Soraya Evodía (Name Change)


Name registered in November, 1983.

The submitter wishes to simplify her existing name, Soraya Evodía of Odessa, by dropping the locative. The first two name elements are grandfathered to her.


Calafia, Barony of

Adelicia of Caithness (Kingdom Resub Name)


The identical submission was returned at kingdom in June 2001, for lack of documentation of the given name.

In Withycombe, under the heading Alice on page 15, Athelesia is dated to 1219-20. Adelisa is a heading on p. 42 in de Felice, with the variants Adelisia and Adelisio undated, as is common in de Felice. The submitter provided a consultation letter from the Academy of St. Gabriel (number 1753, cf.) which indicates that Adelicia is a Latin form of Adalhaidis, the Frankish root of several names, including Alice and Adelaide. It was popularized in Italy in the 13th century, and is currently in use in Northern and Central Italy, although it is not known if it was in use continuously. The specific spellings documented in this report are Adeliza, Atheleisia, Adelasia, and Adelagia. Finally, the submitter provided photocopies of Lisa J. Steele, Medieval France: A Compilation of People and Places from Charlemagne to Jeanne d'Arc, which shows Adelicia undated on page 268 as part of a list titled "Christian Women's Names". Combining the above evidence, it appears that the spelling Adelicia is not directly supported by the available evidence. However, it appears to be a reasonable variation; the protheme Adel- appears in several locations, and the variation of s to c parallels the evolution of the name to Alice.

Caithness is spelled as in the heading on page 125 of Black. Dated spellings include Catnes 1454, Cathnes 1650 and Caithness 1669. Caithness is also a heading on page 121 in Johnston, which includes Catness c.1150, Cathenes a.1130, and Cataneis c.1150.


David of Caithness (Kingdom Resub device)

Azure, a pall inverted Or between three beavers sejant erect argent, each maintaining an axe gules

registered October 2000.

This may be in conflict with Azure, a shakefork inverted Or (Dan of Hamildoon, Aug 83); the issue is whether a CD is granted between shakefork and a pall inverted. Since a shakefork is a "pall humetty" (per the PicDic), or "similar to a pall but couped and with each of the three ends pointed" (Brooke-Little), this would appear to be similar to the difference between a cross throughout and a cross humetty. While we have not found an explicit precedent regarding this, we believe that there is a CD between these two charges, and therefore we are forwarding this to Laurel for a decision.

We note that maintained charges are not required to follow the rule of tincture.


Eileen Dover of Calafia (Kingdom Resub Device)

Vert, two badgers combattant, in chief a roundel, in base a point pointed checky sable and argent

The name Eileen Dover was registered in Aug. 2000. Name change to Eileen Dover of Calafia approved by Caid CoH and forwarded to Laurel in Feb. 2001.
No armorial conflicts found.


Locklan Wick of Brindlemyre (Name Appeal/Resub and Kingdom Resub Device)

Argent, a bend sinister between a merman maintaining a trident and a shield and a mermaid azure


This name was originally submitted to the Caidan College as Locklyn Wick of Brindlemyre, with a "name analysis" from the Kabalarian's website as the only support for the given name in that spelling. The given name was changed to a documented spelling and the locative separated. The resulting name was forwarded to Laurel as Lachlann Wick of Brindle Myre, which was registered in April of 1999. The submitter wishes Laurel to register a spelling closer to that which was originally submitted, specifically in spelling the given name Locklyn rather than Lachlann, and spelling the locative Brindlemyre rather than Brindle Myre. She argues that Locklyn is acceptable, based on the claimed existence of Locklon/Locklan, Lochlon/Lochlan, Lachlan/Lachlann and various clan names based on a webpage provided (the URL of which, the Caid College has been unable to access). Unfortunately, even if these examples are correct, they do not support the desired form, since they show the first syllable Loch but not the second syllable -lyn. No evidence was provided that the letters o or a were used interchangeably with the letter y in period Scots or English naming. In the event that Locklyn is not considered acceptable, the submitter gives a permission to substitute Locklan. The Caidan College was unable to provide acceptable evidence to support Locklyn, and we are therefore substituting the submitter's stated alternative.

The submitter desires that the locative be spelled as a single word. Brindle is found as a heading on page 65 of Ekwall, with the spelling Burnhull dated to 1206, 1246. The next entry, Brindley, has the dated forms Birnedelegh, Burndelegh 1288, and Brundeley 1347, which appear to support the use as a first theme in a combined form. M?rr is a header spelling in Ekwall on page 335, based on the Old Swedish and Danish forms. The equivalent ME is mire, and the form is represented in the plural in Myerscough, which also supports the combination of the word as a second theme. Watson, on page 375, cites the use of the spelling myre as part of a discussion of the marshy nature of a particular area supported by Myres Castle and Nethermyres (unfortunately, neither spelling is dated).


This device as submitted has two basic design problems and an additional problem with the graphics. The minor graphic problem is that the bend sinister appears to have been done as a computer graphic but it is not aligned with the shield template on the form. The more significant problems are that the combination of the merman and mermaid violates the so-called "sword-dagger" rule, which prohibits the use of two charges that are similar but not identical (Laurel Bruce, Sept 1993, pg. 24 under Joanna d'Oléron). There is also an issue with the tinctures of the merfolk; their skin is of a tincture not used in SCA heraldry. This device is also in conflict with Argent a bend sinister between a chair, back to sinister, and a roundel azure (Thomas of the Isles, Mar 94). We have only change of type of the secondaries, there is not a 2nd CD.

For the submitter's benefit, in future resubmissions she should be aware of the three issues mentioned above. In particular, the merfolk need either to be clearly different charges (i.e. not both merfolk) or to be identical charges with minor variations due only to the placement on the shield. If the submitter chooses to use the artistic variation of two hues of the same tincture in drawing the merfolk, she should ensure that both hues are clearly of the same tincture, which is not entirely clear in the submitted emblazon.


Heatherwyne, Shire of

Alt Andreas von Sohren (New Badge)

Per bend embattled argent and vert, in bend sinister two stags springing counterchanged

registered in July 2000
No armorial conflicts found.


Elisabeth Goodchilde (New device)

Purpure, a unicorn and in chief three eagle's heads erased argent, armed Or

registered in March 2001
The choice to blazon the arming of the eagles and unicorn was made to increase the probability of an emblazon reproducing them; it does not contribute to heraldic difference. No armorial conflicts found.


Klaus von Mainz (Kingdom Resub Device)

Checky gules and Or, on a chevron sable five crosses formy argent

registered in November 2000
No armorial conflicts found.


V{o,}rsa-Ívarr mannvitsbrekka (New device)

Gules, on a pale between two wood chisels argent a hammer sable

forwarded on the July 10, 2001 Caid LoI


Lyondemere, Barony of

Sarvar Fatima al-Isfahani (New Name and Device)

Argent, three hearts gules, each clasped between a pair of hands inverted sable


Submitted as Sarvar Fatima isfaheni. Sarvar is an Irani-Zoroastrian feminine personal name. The submitter documents the name with a printout from the website http://www.avesta.org/znames.htm (p. 55 of 56), which is a compendium of names from J.S. Sorushian, Farhang-e Behdinan. We note that page 190 of Ahmed shows Sarwar as a masculine name, which appears to be a title as well: "leader, chief, master". Sarwari Ambiya is listed as the Chief of the Prophets, an epithet of Muhammad. Later, on page 325, Ahmed lists Sarwa, a feminine name meaning "fortune, wealth, riches".

Fatima is a feminine personal name listed in Da'ud's "Arabic Names and Naming Practices".

al-Isfahani is a toponymic, meaning "from the city or province of Isfahan". We found the placename Isfahan in the CLG on page 850. The CLG states that the city "1st achieved prominence as provincial capital under the Baghdad caliphs and in 11th cent. as temporary capital of Seljuk realm."

Unfortunately, we have no documentation for the formation of given-given-locative, nor given-matronymic-locative for women in Persia. We recommend that the submitter visit Da'ud's website, with a link off the Laurel website.


The hearts are indistinguishable, appearing as red blobs from any appreciable distance. We are returning the device for lack of identifiability. We note that the hearts would be easier to identify if the hands were separated from the hearts, touching only at the fingertips.



The meeting came to a close some time at or about 3:30 PM. Eirikr and Thomas performed data entry; editing and proofreading by Dietmar.


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