Minutes of the 18 March 2001 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Sep 2001 LoAR. Note that since the minutes were truncated, some items showing on the February "minutes" may actually have been considered in March.]

Notes and Announcements

Next month's meeting is scheduled for April 8, the weekend before Crown Tournament. May's meeting is tentatively scheduled for May 6. June's meeting is tentatively scheduled for June 10.

Njal Olaf Heraldsson has resigned as Bellows Herald. His deputy, Miguel Esteban Franco de los Rios, will be assuming the title and will be in charge of the field heralds at Crown Tournament.

Trumpet's Voice has up until now been written by Battlement Herald. He has to give up this small duty due to other obligations. Crescent is soliciting names of those who are interested in doing the article.

Policy Statement, re: Free Resubmissions -- we are going to now redefine timely as one calendar year from the original submission date for Kingdom Resubmissions. All outstanding returns hereby have one year from the next Crown Print's publication date to resubmit. Laurel's definition of timeliness for resubmissions remains a year from the time the submitter receives the official Laurel letter in the mail, though she does currently allow exceptions/extensions.

Crescent WILL be stepping down at 12th Night January 2002. If you think you might want to become Crescent, start preparing your resumé now. Remember, Dolphin does not necessarily become Crescent, so it is possible for another.

There is evidence that there was a substantive difference between a wolf and a dog in period. We are soliciting opinions as to the difference between dog's and wolves's heads. Master Bruce has found in his research that period heralds did distinguish between the two heads, with only one example, which seems to confuse or interchange the two. Baroness Ghislaine is of the opinion that there is not a difference, citing that we do not distinguish between lion, tiger, and cat heads. Former Laurel precedent states that there is not a difference between raptor heads, whether they be from eagle, hawk, etc. Master Eirikr notes that we distinguish between modernly drawn depictions of animals. Dietmar notes that cat's heads are not a good example because cat's ears are always erect and are similarly shaped between breeds/species, while dog's ears are distinct from one type to another and add to the identifiability of the charge. Eirikr also notes that wolves have rough fur while dogs have smooth fur, and that also adds to the ability to distinguish between the two. Laurel has solicited comments from the College at large, and Crescent has asked for a vote of the members present. 5 think there is a significant difference, 2 think there is not, and 3 are undecided.

Eridana has offered her services to log in any submissions before the next meeting, and would like to request all heralds who are able, to mail their paperwork to her thus saving several hours of prep time at the meeting.

al-Sahid, Shire of

Teka Turmanov (Resub Kingdom Device)

Per bend potenty sable and Or, a unicorn's head erased argent armed Or and a tau cross sable

Name:

The submitter's name was registered by Laurel 3/98.

Device:

The submitter's previous submission with the identical design and blazon was returned for redraw. This is a definite improvement.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Altavia, Barony of

Elspeth Colquhoun (Resub Kingdom Device)

Purpure, a panther passant guardant argent, incensed proper, spotted of roundels of diverse tinctures

Name:

The submitter's name is on the 04/04/01 Caidan LoI.

Device:

The previous device was returned for redraw to clarify the actual posture of the panther. It has been redrawn.

We note the badge of Sterling deSeincler, 10/99 (SCA), [Fieldless] A panther courant facing dexter argent. There is a CD for fieldlessness, and we argue a CD for courant vs.passant. In a precedent dated 11/90, Shayk Da'ud as Laurel gave a CD between two postures based on moving all the beast's legs. Between courant and passant we have moved at least half the legs (actually, three of the legs for a correctly drawn passant), and therefore should have a CD in this case as well.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Mercy the Potter (Resub Kingdom Name and Device)

Vert, a sea-fox guardant between in chief two pipkins argent

Name:

The submitter's previous name submission, "Mercedes de Santa Justa," was returned last month at kingdom for lack of documentation of the name "Mercedes." She has chosen a completely different name to try this month. We found "le Potter" in Reaney on pg. 359 under "Potter." Unfortunately,there was no documentation provided for "Mercy." Withycombe describes the name as first being used by Puritans in the early 17th Century, just out of period. As it is her real given name, we strongly suggest that she photocopy her driver's license and take advantage of the mundane name allowance.

Device:

There was no conflict with the device. It was pended last month due to lack of a name.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION.
DEVICE PENDED.

Calafia, Barony of

Kissa Irminwiht (Name Change, Device Resub Laurel)

Gules, in fess three ermines rampant argent

Name:

Change from Erna Ragnarsdottir, submitted on the 05/01/00 Caidan LoI. We have found Cissa in Searle, page 136. We argue that Kissa is a reasonable variant in Anglo-Saxon based on the following examples which clearly show the interchangability of C & K: Clac - Klac; Cine - Kine - Kini - Cyne; Cynath - Kinath; Cnapa - Knapa; Cilla - Killa. There are many more examples in Searle which the adventurous scholar may find. The submitter will reluctantly accept Cissa if Laurel can not approve the submitted form. Irmin- is a prototheme found in Searle, page 320. -wiht is a deuterotheme found in Searle, page 492. The submitter intends for Irminwiht to be an unmarked patronymic. We have no documentation for the use of surnames or patronymics for females in Saxony, but we have found a couple of examples used by men in 12th C England: Eche filius Wymeri also known as Eche Wimer (1160), and Willelmus filius Wimari also known as William Wymer (1212), both found under Wymer in Reney and Wilson, page 506 (from OE wigmær = battle-famous). The submitter wishes to release the old name [if in fact registered] should the new be approved.

Device:

No conflicts found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Elisabetta Paganelli (New Name)

Name:

Elisabetta is found in de Felice Nomi, page 141. Paganelli is found in deFelice Cognomi, page 185, under Pagani.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Leifr Jónsson (New Name)

Name:

Submitted as Leif Jonsson

Leifr is found in Gierr Bassi, page 13. Leif is the common anglicization of the name. Jónsson is the patronymic Jón's son, where Jón is found in Gierr Bassi, page 12. The submitter indicated on his form that he wished the name to be correct for 12th - 14th C Norse so we have corrected it as requested.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Kentsuki no Ujitora Kaito Tamashi (New Name and Device)

Argent,a cross gules, overall on a bend sable, three skulls palewise argent

Name:

The name is constructed according to conventions explained in Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan by Solveig Throndardottir. The kanji that make up the name Kentsuki are found on pg. 310 [Ken] and pg. 240 [tsuki]. No is found on pg. 34; it should not be capitalized. Uji is found on pg. 185. Tora is found on pg. 169. Kai is found on pg. 251. To is found on pg. 279. Ta is found on pg. 219. Ma is found on pg. 288. Shi is found on pg. 225.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Anne Lyse Maria von Marburg (New Name)

Name:

Anne is found in Talan Gwynek's online article of 15th-Century German Women's Names [http://s-gabriel.org/docs/german15f.html]. It is also found on pg. 25 of Withycombe. Lyse is found in Talan Gwynek's online article of 15th-Century German Women's Names [http://s-gabriel.org/docs/german15f.html]. Maria is found in Withycombe on pg. 211 under Mary. Marburg is found in Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer on pg. 1147. For the use of three given names and a locative, the submitter offers the example of Duchess Dorothea Sabine Maria of Sulzbach, d.1639. A History of Costume by Carl Kohler, p.287. The example falls in the "grey area" of documentation, and we feel should be acceptable. If not, we note that Bahlow, p.353, under the heading "Marien", cites the surname Marye dated to 1473; this could then be considered two given names, a surname and a locative.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Bjórn Hilditonn (New Name)

Name:

Bjórn is found on page 8 and Hilditonn on page 22 of Gierr Bassi. The latter is an epithet meaning "battle tooth".

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Halla Haustmyrkr for House Gullbjarki (New Household Name)

Name:

The submitter's name was registered 5/00.

Submitted as House Gull-bjarki, with a hyphen, which we removed.

Gullbjarki "gold bear cub" is a constructed byname, formed from themes in Geirr Bassi: Gull- is found on pg. 22, along with several constructions showing Gull- used as a prefix attached to nouns, while Bjarki is found on pg. 20 as a noun. The College's policy on household names, as outlined in the cover letter of the LoAR of 6/92, permits a personal epithet to be used as a plausible household name. (The lingua franca designator House was added in accordance with the Rules.)

HOUSEHOLD NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Leonora Morgana (New Device Change/Augmentation)

Per chevron inverted azure goutty d'eau and argent, a Celtic cross argent and two garden roses in saltire gules, slipped and leaved vert. For augmentation, surmounting the roses where they cross, an inescutcheon azure charged with four crescents conjoined in saltire, horns outward argent

Name:

The submitter's name and device were registered by Laurel 1/85.

Device:

The submitter received her augmentation from the Crown of Caid in 11/00, and has permission to use the badge of Caid. The submitter would like to maintain the wording of the original blazon.

DEVICE CHANGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Amice Percy (New Name)

Name:

Amice is found in Withycombe on pg. 19 under that heading dated to 1273. It is also found in Reaney and Wilson on pg. 357 under the heading of Pont citing Amice de Ponte dated 1268. It is also found on pg. 496 under the heading of Winston citing Amice Wynston dated 1303. Percy is found in Reaney and Wilson on pg. 347 under the heading Percy, with the example of Henry Percy dated 1332.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Eiríkr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson and Astriðr Selr Leifsdottir (New Badge/Joint Registration)

[Fieldless] A phoenix rising from an estoile of eight rays Or

Name:

Names registered 5/98 and 5/90, respectively. This is to be registered jointly between the two, who are husband and wife.

Badge:

The badge incorporates charges from both submitters' arms, and they prefer the submitted blazon for that reason.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Michael Robert Delamare (New Name)

Name:

Michael is found in Withycombe, page 219, and dates to 1196. Robert is found in Withycombe, page 254, and dates to 1086. Delamare is found under Delamar in Reaney and Wilson, page 130, and in Dauzat, page 185, and is undated in both sources. We note that Reaney dates the variant de la Mare to 1190, and shows several other variants which started were concatenated from three words to one over a period of two centuries (from the 12th to the 14th).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Isles, Shire of

Katayama Chikara (Kingdom Resub Device)

Sable, a phoenix and a chief embattled argent

Name:

Laurel registered this name in Jan. 1997.

Device:

Note to the submitter: the embattling need to be taller (thicker). No conflicts found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Starkhafn, Barony of

Starkhafn, Barony of: The Defender of the Flames of Starkhafn (Kingdom Appeal Name)

Name:

The Barony has not included a letter of support from the Baron, Baroness and seneschal of Starkhafn in support of the order name.

In addition, the Barony has not provided a cogent argument for the use of the term Defender as an order designator. The inclusion of the designator "The Order of [the Defenders...]" might make this submission passable. We recommend that the Barony reconsider whether they need a separate name for what has been described to us as an augmentation of an existing order. The submission as entered constitutes the creation of an entirely new order. If that is not their intent then this submission is superfluous. There is no need to register what amounts to ranking within an order, as that designation may be implemented at the whim of the Baron and Baroness without the College of Heralds' approval.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF PERMISSION

Boris Ironoak (New Name and Device)

Per fess argent and sable, an oak leaf inverted and an anvil counterchanged

Name:

Boris is found in Thanet, 3rd ed, page 35, and dates to 1304. Ironoak is a constructed name, using Iron- and -oak. The former is found in OED, page 1483, and dates to 1677 in this spelling. The latter is also found in OED, page 1960, and dates to 1598 in this spelling. Unfortunately the submitter has supplied no documentation for this form of construction, and we are unable to justify it.

Device:

The oak leaf is unrecognizable and needs to be redrawn. Please consult a standard reference for a clear depiction.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Emeline Vigamerr (Kingdom Resub Device)

Azure, six bees in annulo tails inward proper, on a chief embattled Or a weaver's slea proper

Name:

The submitter's name was approved and sent to Laurel last month 2/01.

Device:

This same device was returned last month for redraw of the tertiary as it was too easily confused with a ladder. The submitter has added the thicker bars at the outside edge of the slea to match the depiction in the Pictorial Dictionary. The weaver's slea proper is made of brown wood with black iron wires.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Melisande de Frayne (Laurel Resub Device)

Or, a bend sinister vert between a tree proper and a tower vert

Name:

Name registered 11/97.

Device:

The device was accidentally returned and accepted on the same LoAR; a subsequent LoAR made clear that the return was what was intended. This is a complete redesign.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

The meeting ended at 4:05 pm. Minutes were taken by Ghislaine Dolphin, Thomas Trident Emeritus, and Bruce Oak Leaf, and amended by Madawc Crescent.

Bibliography

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De Felice, E. (1986). Dizionario dei Nomi Italiani. Arnoldo Mondadori Editore S.p.A, Milan.

Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. 1977. The Old Norse Name. Studia Marklandica: Olney, MD.

Oxford University, editor 1971. The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. Oxford University Press, Oxford.

Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. 1995. A Dictionary of British Surnames. Oxford University Press, Oxford, third ed.

Searle, William George. 1969. Onomasticon Anglo-Saxonicum. Facsimile edition from an original in the Niedersächsischen Staats-und Universitätsbibliothek Göttingen, originally published Cambridge University Press, 1897.

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Solveig Throndardottir. Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan

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Withycombe, E. G. The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names 1977. Third. Oxford University Press: Oxford.

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