Minutes of the 27 August 2000 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 2001 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Crescent called the meeting to order at 11:04am.

The next meetings are September 10th, October 22nd (?), November 5th(?), and December 17th.

Crown Tourney is Sept. 16th. We will need field heralds all day long. Please be there! Please volunteer!

October 4-9 is GWW. We will need some heralds there.

Silver Abacus is moving to Madrone, An Tir. We will need a scribe to take minutes. Please contact Crescent to volunteer. No experience required, but it helps if you're a good typist. The college has some computers, or you can bring your own if you prefer.

Crescent has been unable to use a computer lately. If you haven't received a response, he apologizes. He will reply as soon as he is able to.

Collegium Caidis is coming up Sep. 30-Oct 1. There is a Sunday schedule. We are doing a road show there. We'll need heralds and scribes. Please be there! If you are bringing submissions for the road show, be sure you have the submitter's permission for it to be discussed w/in Caid. We need the submissions the day before. Please give them to Trident. We will have books.

Seleny is now Sable Fret. The previous holder of the office has moved to Calafia.

Trident would like help with morning cries at Potrero war.

The current Crown has changed Kingdom law back. If one is going to fight in Crown Tourney, one must have a name and device registered or in submission. Both the fighter and the consort. Next meeting is one week before Crown tourney. The general policy has been that the last meeting is the last opportunity to have something "in submission." Returns from that meeting are still considered to be in submission.

It is your responsibility to notify submitters in writing of returns from Kingdom meetings.

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Calafia, Barony of

Julianna Neuneker Hirsh von Schutzhundheim (New badge)

[Fieldless] A furison inverted, Or

Name:

registered by Laurel 6/92

Device:

The defining instance of this is from a badge for the Order of the Golden Fleece. We believe this depiction is not in conflict because of the orientation of the charge and the lack of field. Further, we do not believe that the badge of the Order is currently protected.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Darach, Shire of

Ciana Messina della Luna (New device)

Azure, on a pale sable fimbriated three crescents argent

Name:

registered 3/2000

Device:

Conflicts with James of Wealdsmere, 1/97, Azure, on a pale sable fimbriated three annulets conjoined argent

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Mons Draconis, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Catrin ferch Madog (New device)

Lozengy vert and argent, three roses sable barbed and seeded Or and a bordure gules

Name:

registered by laurel 3/2000

(ACTION NOT RECORDED; BUT DEVICE REGISTERED ON 03/01 LoAR)

Donnchadh Kethe (New device)

Argent, a sword gules between in chief two reremice displayed sable

Name:

registered by laurel 3/2000

Device:

Crescent sites William the Sinister, 12/98, Argent, a sword inverted between reremice displayed sable. This is clear because of the tincture and orientation of the sword.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Christiaen de Groote (Resub kingdom device)

Or, on an eagle within a bordure embattled sable a cross formy fitchy Or

Name:

sent to laurel 4/2000

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Grégoire d'Échauffour (New name and device)

Per bend sinister argent and vert, a lion rampant guardant counterchanged

Name:

Grégoire is found under Gregory in Withycombe, page 139, and in Dauzat, page 306. Both entries are undated. Colm Dubh also lists the name in the submitted spelling on page 5 of his paper "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris" (KWHS, June 1996). d'Échauffour attached a photocopy from a reference by R. Allen Brown, Professor of History, King's College, London, in his book "The Normans". The name is that of a young Norman knight contemporary to William(1066), and is recorded in Orderic Vitalis' "Ecclesiastical History" written in the 11th C. In addition, Dauzat's "Noms de Lieux" lists the placename Échauffour on page 258, with early variants of the spelling dating to 1050.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lyondemere, Barony of

Richard Drakemoor (New name and device)

Per chevron gules and sable, a dragon segreant Or, between three swords argent

Name:

Richard may be found in Reaney, page 377 and dates to 1276 c.e. in this spelling. Drakemoor = "dragon's fen" is a constructed name following the form of Drakelow = dracan hlaw = "dragon's mound" (942 c.e.), Dartmoor = Dertemora = "the fen by the river Dart" (1182 c.e.) and Exmoor = Exemora = "the fen by the river Exe" (1204 c.e.) (see Ekwall, pages 150,139, and 171 respectively). We note that "drake" dates to 1275 c.e. and "moor" to the 17th C in the OED. The closest period spellings include a final "e".

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Starkhafn, Barony of

Isidora Ell'eva (New Name and device)

Or, on a sun gules a swan rousant or

Name:

Submitted as Isidora Eill'eva

Both names are Russian, documented from Wickenden's book, 3rd ed. Isidora is the feminine name of a 4th C saint, from page 122. Ellii is the masculine given name of a 4th C saint, from page 82. The addition of 'eva follows Wickenden's example on pg. 387, forming the feminine patronymic from Vasilii to Vasil'eva (see Sof'eia Vasil'eva Dmitreevicha, 1391 c.e). On page xxii, Wickenden states that to construct the masculine patronymic for names ending in "ii", first remove the double "i" and then add the 'ev.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

The minutes were scribed by Thomas Brownwell and Silver Abacus, edited by Crescent

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