Minutes of the 23 January 2000 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Jun 2000 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Future meeting dates are February 13 and March 19.

Crescent called the meeting to order at 11:10 AM

As promised, there is a short diagnostic quiz that should take 15 minutes. Everyone will be allowed a full half hour to do the quiz. Everyone will receive back their quiz next month so that they may learn from it those areas in which they need more study. This will also give Crescent an idea of the general knowledge level of each active member of the College.

Estrella War is February 19-22. There is a signup list for those individuals who wish to help with consultation and duty heralding. James and Honor will take their books and be available Saturday and Sunday. Duty Heralds will also be needed very much to cry the camp.

Jeanne-Marie has a couple of articles which she wrote if anyone is interested. Lachlann is now Lyondemere's herald.

The Kingdom CoH now has two new herald's names. Silver Abacus and Silver Astrolabe.

There are two LoAR's from Laurel's office, from the November and December meetings. Crescent went over those Caidan submissions which were passed or returned. The list was very long and took over 30 minutes to read...

Calafia, Barony of

Arthur the Red (New name)

Name:

Arthur is found in Withycombe, page 32, and dates to the 16th C. Red is an epithet referring to the submitters hair color, and in this usage dates to Eric the Red. Reaney dates this usage to 1332 with le Red.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Brian Brock (New device)

Per pale argent and azure, a hand grasping a sheaf of arrows fesswise reversed counterchanged

Name:

Registered by Laurel 07/97 in Atenveldt

Device:

Device returned by Laurel in Atenveldt. [The CoH does not know the reason for return]

Note to artist: the arrowheads and fletching should be drawn larger. Arrows drawn with such small points and fletches have been a cause for return from Laurel in the past.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Colin MacKenzie of Eilean Donan (New name)

Name:

Colin is found in Withycombe, page 71, dated to 1379. MacKenzie may be found in Black, page 525. Eilean Donan is found in Johnstone, page 172. We note that Eilean Donan is land held by the MacRae's for the MacKenzies, but as it was and is not the Clan seat we believe there is no presumption present (see "Clans and Tartans of Scotland", Robert Bain, page 230). In specific, Eilean Donan is not mentioned in the entry MacKenzie in Bain. Finally, we note that there have been several Colins of Clan MacKenzie, but as the prenom is a common Scottish name we believe again that there is no presumption.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Cristina Danapoli (resub kingdom device)

Purpure, a butterfly and a chief embattled argent

Name:

Registered 03/99

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Eileen Dover (New name and device)

Vert, two badgers combatant argent marked sable, between in chief a roundel checky argent and sable and in base a dance Or.

Name:

Eileen is found in Withycombe, page 96. It is a modern English translation of the Irish Eibhlin. Dover is a placename in England, found in Reaney, page 140, dated to 1223. Unfortunately, the submitter does not allow any changes to the name, and because of the modernity of the name we must return the submission. As the submitter's mundane name is Eileen, this could be accepted with proof of her mundane name.

Device:

We note that the roundel has far too many checks. They should be fewer and larger. In addition, the dance is too skinny. Finally, we believe the coloration of the head and feet overly obscures the identity of the creature. Because of all these problems, we are returning it for redraw. We recommend that the submitter put the dance between the badgers (above) and the roundel (below).

NAME RETURNED FOR MODERNITY
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW.

Fortuna Norreys (New name)

Name:

Fortuna is found in deFelice-Nomi, page 174. Norreys is found in Reaney page 324. We note that the surname is similar in sound to Norroy Herald, and could be in conflict. The French translation of the title is Norreys, and an early English usage is of the Norreis, i.e. "of the Northmen" ("The College of Arms, London, 1963"). We would argue that there is no conflict, otherwise the College of Arms would have to restrict all such names, e.g. Lion vs. Lyon, (Reaney, page 289) and Clarence vs. Clarenceau, (Reaney, page 98).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Isabel de Kelsey (New name)

Name:

Isabel is found in Withycombe, page 164. de is the Norman locative in common use throughout England from the time of the Norman conquest until the present. Kelsey is found in Ekwall, page 270 under Kelsale. Reaney, page 262 lists early variants of this surname, e.g. de Kelesey and de Kelleseia. The earliest variants date to 1179.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Jamie MacKenzie (New name)

Name:

Jamie is found in Withycombe, page 170-172, as a diminutive of James undated. MacKenzie is found in Black, page 525, and as the header spelling is undated.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Kean de Lacy (New device)

Per pale sable and argent, three lacy knots bendwise counterchanged argent and azure

Name:

Registered 11/98

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lasairíona inghean Ghéibheannaigh (New name)

Name:

Lasairíona is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire page 121 under Lassar Fhína, popular in the later Middle Ages. Ghéibheannaigh is the lenited patronymic form of Géibheannach found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, page 110, under Gébennach. This name is also supported in Wolfe's "Irish Names and Surnames" on page 366, where he lists, the unlenited patronymic mac Géibheannaigh.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Tarla the Twin of Dartford (Laurel Resub name)

Name:

Tarla is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, page 169, under Tairdelbach, and in Woulfe, page 202, under Toirdealbhach. Neither book dates the usage of this spelling but claims the usage is "modern". Twin is an English word dating to 1590 in the OED. Dartford is a town in England, found in Ekwall, page 139, and dates to 1194.

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Zofeia of Kiev (New name)

Name:

Zofeia may be found in Thanet, page 224, as a variant of Sof'ia which he dates to 1396. Kiev is a city in southern Russia, found in Columbia Lippencott, page 944. The citation dates the city to the 8th century.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Darach, Shire of

Pythias Of Rotterdam (New name and device)

Per pale azure and sable, a cock statant dexter leg elevated and on a chief embattled argent three crosses formy sable.

Name:

Lempriére, p. 540 shows Pythias as a classical name. Rotterdam is in Columbia Lippencott p. 1606, as having received its charter in 1328.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Rebecca Mary Robynson (new name change and badge)

[Fieldless] Perched on a sun Or, a robin contourny proper

Name:

Name change from Rebecca Marie Robynson registered 12/94.

Withycombe, p. 211-212, shows Mary dated to 1440. Withycombe, p. 251, shows Rebecca, undated. Reaney & Wilson, p. 380, shows Robynson dated to 1426 under Robinson.

Badge:

Crescent cites The Art of Heraldry, Origins, Symbols and Designs, by Peter Gwynn-Jones, p. 101, George Robinson, granted in 1528, [Fieldless] Perched on a sun Or, a robin proper. While there is only one CD for the change of position of the bird, we do not feel George Robinson is sufficiently important to protect.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Darius von Tannenberg (Laurel resub device)

Per pale argent and sable a cross clechy fitchy and a bordure counterchanged

Name:

Registered 11/99

Device:

The previous design "Argent five piles inverted in point throughout gules overall a cross clechy fitchy sable" was returned for unidentifiability. This is a new design.

DEVICE PASSED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dun Or, Barony of

Dun Or, Barony of - Order of Dúnmor (Kingdom Resubname)

Name:

Dúnmor is Gaelic for "Great Tower". Unfortunately it conflicts with the SCA House Dunmore, registered by Laurel March 1978, to Brann Morgan Dunmore of Galloway et al.

RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Gyldenholt, Barony of (new badge)

[Fieldless] A tree within and conjoined to an annulet Or

Name:

Badge is for The Order of the Forêt d'Or registered 07/86

Badge:

Petition is included

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of (New group name Guardians of the Golden Grove)

Name:

Name for a fighting unit. Petition is included.

Ekwall, p. 200, shows Golden Valley or Vale dated to 1150. It also shows Grove on page 207, dated to 1197. We feel that since Grove is period, and since Golden + place is a period form , this is a plausible construction.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Alric Rolf von Merzig (New name)

Per fess Or and paley sable and Or, a weasel salient sable

Name:

Reaney & Wilson, p 6 shows Alric dated to 1066, under Aldrich. Withycombe, p. 256 shows Rolf dated to 1273. Bahlow, Geographische Namenwelt: p. 332 shows Merzig.

Device:

Conflict noted, Aelfwyn Gyrthesdohtor, 5/81, [Tinctureless] A sea otter erect. The posture is a mixture of passant, rampant and salient, and the posture cannot be blazoned.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Hilderun aus dem Alpenwald (New Alternatename for Aline le Fey)

Name:

Name, Aline le Fey, registered 12/97

Hilderun is found in Bahlow, page 247, and dates to 1227. aus dem is the German preposition meaning "out of the, from the". Alpenwald is a constructed German word, from Alp-, meaning "mountain", and Wald, meaning "wood". "Cassell's New German Dictionary", page 24, shows the prefix alp-, and indicates that it acquires the "en" in such phrases as alpenbirke ("mountain birch") and alpenrose ("mountain rose"). Bahlow, page 589, shows the suffix -wald(er), as used in the names Finsterwalder and Hinterwaldner. The submitted name follows the same construction, with the "-er" ending becoming superfluous with the addition of the prepositions used here. The submitter will also accept the preposition vorm in place of aus dem, noting under the same heading the surname vorm Wald dating to 1474.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Margot of Annandale (New name)

Per bend sinister sable and vert, an open book and a dragon Or

Name:

http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html, 1292 Paris Census shows Margot. Black, p.25 shows Annandale. "Elspet Annandale in Nether Tullo, 1657..." The entry is neither clearly a birth or death record, so the name may fall in the gray area.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Mary Catherine of Mull (New name and device)

Or, a crow contourny sable, a base rayonny gules.

Name:

Mary is found in Withycombe, page 211, and dates to the 1440s. Catherine is also found in Withycombe, page 186 under Katherine, undated. We note that Catherine of Aragon married Henry VIII in the early 1500's. Mull is a placename in Scotland and may be found in Johnstone, page 259.

Device:

Crescent notes SCA armory "Or, an owl sable and a base rayonny gules" (Gaucelm de Chambonnieres, Oct. '96). We believe this is clear by type and position of the primary charge.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Svanhildr Valdimarsdottir (New name)

Purpure, two winged cats sajant respectant dexter paw raised and in chief a decrescent argent

Name:

Geirr Bassi, p. 15, Svanhildr. Valdimar; p. 17, ibid. "Valdimarsdottir, patronymic formed based on Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name"

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Fenwood Knoll, College of (Gyldenholt)

Anselm the Bald (New name and device)

Vert, an increscent and a decrescent interlaced and a base argent

Name:

Withycombe, p 27 shows Anselm dating to 1033. Reaney & Wilson p. 24 shows Le Bald dating to 1199 and 1178.

Device:

The period documentation calls these braced, but we are blazoning them as interlaced for clarity.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Ailidh inion de Osrainge (New name)

Name:

Submitted as Ailidh Inion de Osrainge.

Conway, DJ The Celtic book of Names, shows Ailidh as "kind or noble". Markdale, Jean Women of the Celts / Le Femme Celte (trans by A. Mygind, C. Hauch, P. Henry, pub 1986 by Inner Traditions Int. LTD) shows Osrainge as "The people of the Deer". Submitted wants to be "Ailidh, daughter of the Deer People." We have no documentation showing this as a period naming practice. Reminder to submitter, we need title page and bibliographical data from the books used for documentation.

RETURNED FOR DOCUMENTATION

Alexander Macrae (New name)

Name:

Alexander is found in Withycombe, page 13, dated to 1189. Macrae is the header spelling in Black, page 560, and Reaney, page 293, and is undated in this spelling.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAURELs

Melisant de Elphinstone (New name)

Name:

Melisant is found in Withycombe, page 220, under Millicent and dates to 1213. De Elphinstone is found in Reaney, page 154, and dates to 1250.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lyondemere, Barony of

Ungust Filius Antonii (new name and device)

Azure, a triangle inverted and a triangle conjoined in pale voided within the astronomical sign for Taurus argent.

Name:

The submitter documents the given name and overall form from Harpy's "A Consideration of Pictish Names", which indicates "Ungust" cognate with the Irish "Oengust". While "Ungust" is marked as a reconstructed form, Harpy notes that it is one of the 10 most common Pictish names attested. Harpy also notes that period manuscripts use the Latin terms of relationships, giving the example of "Bridei filius Mailcon" from the Latin-language Pictish Chronicle. Harpy also notes evidence that the father's name need not have been Pictish, although the example attested is Anglo-Saxon, rather than Classical Latin. Withycombe, p. 28, shows Antonius under Anthony. Lempriére p. 56, shows Ant{o-}nii as a Patrician and plebeian family which were said to derive their origin from Antones, a son of Hercules.

Device:

For use of astronomical signs in armory, submitter cites LoAR precedent of Bruce Draconarius, 09/93, p.11.

"The use of astrological glyphs heraldically in period can be seen on the crest of Bull, watchmaker to Queen Elizabeth I: On a wreath argent and gules, a cloud proper, thereon a celestial sphere azure, with the circles or; on the zodiac the signs of Aries, Taurus, Gemini, and Cancer. (Parker, A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry, p. 547). It has long been the College's policy to allow the use of elements from crests and supporters, if period usage is documented, as charges for SCA armory although there is no documentation of their use as charges in period armory (cf. yales)."

Recommendation to submitter is to draw the triangles much more boldly.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Southron Gaard, Barony of

Havelok MacClellan (Kingdom resub device)

Sable, a chevron argent fretted gules between three dog's heads couped contourny argent.

Device:

We can see by the submitted blazon that the secondary charge group is intended to be dog's heads, but the emblazoned devices are not clearly dog's heads. Without this verbal clue, several members of the College would have blazoned them as dragon's heads, drakkar prows, or demon's heads. As these could not be identified from the emblazon, and the College of Arms registers the emblazon, not the blazon, this is being returned for redraw.

RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY

Starkhafn, Barony of

Starkhafn, Barony of; Order of the Illumination of Starkhafn (kingdom resub order name and badge)

Azure, a bowl of oil Or enflamed proper.

Name:

Petitions signed by Baron, Baroness, seneschal and exchequer included on both forms

The compact OED, p. 1375, dates Illumination to 1563 as the action of illuminating. However, we could find no evidence that this word would be used in this context as a name element in period. A more likely construct would be the 'illuminators of Starkhafn.' However this might imply that the order consists of scroll artists.

Device:

The badge is being returned for redraw, as the flames are not properly drawn. They need to be equal parts, alternating tongues of gules and Or, with the outermost flames Or on the azure field. There should be NO orange color in the device. The bowl of oil needs to be of the same size as the flame (or larger) and more recognizable.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION WHICH SHOWS THIS AS A PLAUSIBLE PERIOD CONSTRUCT
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Aengus O'Flaherty (kingdom resub device)

Argent, pellety a bulls head cabossed gules

Device:

The Pellets are so large, and the bull's head is almost completely on one pellet that the contrast between the red and black is insufficient. Please draw the pellets smaller, using the form of semy in which they are randomly scattered.

RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Járnskeggi Kelduskítr (New name)

Name:

Geirr Bassi, p. 12 shows Járnskeggi as a given name. Gierr Bassi, p. 24, shows Kelduskitr as an epithet.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Michael Haroldsson (New name)

Name:

Michael is found in Withycombe, page 219, and dates to 1196. Haroldsson is an English patronymic meaning "the son of Harold", or "Harold's son". Harold is found in the "Domesday Names", compiled by K.S.B. Keats-Rohan and D.E. Thornton, page107. We form the genitive by adding an "s", then the patronymic by adding "son". See Reaney for Williamssone (under Williamson), Hobbekynessone (under Hobkinson), Jonessone (under Johnson), Pattisson (under Pattinson) and Hendisson as numerous examples of this construction.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Teleri of Gwynedd (New badge)

[Fieldless] A wooly-bear caterpillar proper

Badge:

The device, which is an attempt to render a brown and gray caterpillar, appears to be a bent oval or a cartouche elongated, bent fesswise brown, a pale gray. There is nothing about the drawing which identifies it as a caterpillar, nor can Crescent offer any suggestions as to how this could be drawn to be so identified. Furthermore, scribes and heralds probably could not properly draw 'a wooly bear caterpillar proper' without recourse to research on insects.

RETURNED FOR LACK OF IDENTIFIABILITY

Wintermist, Shire of

Moririn Chiardhubh ní Bhárdáin (new badge)

[Fieldless] A spiral hunting horn reversed argent.

Name:

Registered by laurel 01/97

Badge:

Crescent notes Nicaret Grindal de Foix, 6/84, Gyrony gules and vert, a spiral hunting horn reversed argent, with only 1 CD for the field.

RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Postmeeting

The meeting drew to a close at 5:00 PM. Scribed [laboriously] by Christopher Thomas and Thomas Brownwell, edited by Crescent, James of the Lake, Dietmar and Jeanne Marie.

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