Minutes of the 12 December 1999 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the May 2000 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Future meeting dates are: 1/23/2000, 2/20/2000,

Eirikr: We're going to Party today. Reminder, please get your paperwork in early so that the typists can enter the data in time for an early start on the meeting. There is a rules change on submissions to Laurel. Does anyone want to be on Laurel staff as Morsulus Herald? [ Good luck on fulfilling the criteria. ] And we wish to thank Jeanne-Marie for a donation to the College. Crescent will be changing office at 12th Night. All Doomsday reports are due to Eirikr before that date.

Madawc: There is a diagnostic test that all heralds will be required to take, so that when Crescent, he will have an understanding of each herald's level of knowledge. It will be 1/2 hour long only. Know the arms of Caid and the SCA. There is no longer a Pursuivant Extraordinary, only Cornets, Pursuivants and Heralds. We also distinguish between territorial and "at large" heralds, giving those who wander the Designation "Extra-ordinary." Those who wish to be elevated to Pursuivant must know: basic ordinaries and peripheral charges, any charges used in SCA offices, basic charge attitudes, and basic animal postures.

Caid, Kingdom of

Via Agatha of Tintagel; Heraldic Title: Scimitar Herald

Name:

This heraldic title is being submitted by the Kingdom of Caid for the use of the Canton of Tanwayour, Calafia, Caid. "Scimitar" dates to 1562 in "OED", page 2668. We note that the submission included a document giving consent from the Herald and the Baron and Baroness of Calafia, and the Seneschal and herald of Tanwayour. But, since the Canton only holds incipient status the College is returning the submission. The College has deferred making a decision on whether Cantons and other subordinate groups may have heraldic titles assigned to them. Eirikr has expressed his personal opinion that such titles should be allowed.

NAME RETURNED DUE TO INCIPIENT STATUS.

Altavia, Barony of

Ann Travers of Amberlye (New badge)

[Fieldless] A dragonfly vert winged Or

Name:

Registered by laurel 5/8/99

Device:

Crescent cites "Gunnar Mulcha of Odin's Seat", 9/71, Counter-ermine, a butterfly Or. Crescent is of the opinion that there is a CD between butterflies and dragonflies, but cites: Precedents of Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane, p. 76, LoAR 6/18/89 p.12, "The difference in shape between the moth and the dragonfly were not tantamount to a major point of difference." Since we don't use major points anymore, we request a definitive ruling.

Note to artist: please use a more pure yellow or gold.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Thomas Edward Dudley (Name Change)

Name:

Change from Seth Alexander Kygheley

Laurel approved the name "Seth Alexander Kygheley" (Ansteorra, December '93). All three of the submitter's names may be found in "Reaney", "Thomas" on page 443, "Edward" on page 151, and "Dudley" on page 144.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angels, Barony of

Anna Grace MacKenna (New name (Change))

Name:

"Withycombe" includes the name "Anna" (page 25, dated 1218) and "Grace" (page 138, dated 1562). "MacKenna" may be found in "MacLysaght", page 175.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Calafia, Barony of

Eilís Ó hÁdhmaill (New name and device)

Vert, a candle argent flamed Or and a base wavy barry argent and sable

Name:

Submitted as "Eilís Ó hÁdhmaill" "Eilís" is in Woulfe -Irish names for Children, p. 36.

Eilís is a feminine name. "ÓhÁdhmaill" is in MacLysaght p. 143, and is a marked patronymic.

In order to make this name registerable the patronymic would have to be changed from the masculine to the feminine. This would be a major change, and as the submitter will not accept major changes, we have no choice but to return the name.

Device:

The flame should be colored a more distinct and vivid yellow. The form of the complex line in the base may not be period. We recommend redrawing it as more clearly wavy, or submitting documentation that the line is a period form.

NAME RETURNED FOR INCOMPATIBLE STYLE
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME

Lothar der Hämisch (New name)

Name:

"Lothar" is in "Bahlow", page 344. "der" is the German article. "Hämisch" is in Cassell's German Dictionary, page 270 and means "malicious, mischievous, or spiteful". The name appears to be appropriately constructed, following the same form as "Karl der Grosse".

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Liudmila Vladimirova doch' (New name)

Name:

All name elements are from "Thanet". "Liudmila" may be found on page 125, and "Vladimirova" may be found on page 262. The ending may be a modern form but appears to be acceptable. The use of "doch'" is documented on page xviii, and indicates that Given-Patronymic-"doch'" is a very common form for feminine name construction.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Magge Rose (New Name)

Name:

"Magge" is found in Withycombe, page 207 and dates to 1273. "Rose" is found in Reaney, page 383 and dates to 1279.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Raphael of Tempo (New name and device)

Per pale argent and sable an hourglass counterchanged and a chief gules

Name:

Submitted as "Rafaél De Tempo". "Raphael" is in Withycombe p. 250, dated to 16th and 17th C. England.

"Tempo" is a place name found in CLG p. 1891". "De" was changed to "of" as submitter indicated no language preference and we could not justify "Rafaél" with the article "de" and maintain language compatibility.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Wolferam der Karmesín (New name)

Name:

This spelling of "Wolferam" is found in Bahlow, page 621 under "Wölfel", used as an unmarked patronymic dated to 1395. Other spellings are found under the heading of "Wolfram" on the same page, used as a given name. "der" is the masculine article. "Karmesín"is German for "Crimson", found in "Cassells" and is used as a descriptive byname.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Carreg Wen, Shire of

Kevin MacColin O'Gallagher (New name and devices)

Vert, a lion rampant Or within an orle of eight trefoils argent.

Name:

"Kevin" is found in Withycombe p. 186, the name of an Irish Saint, common as a Christian name in Ireland. "Colin" Withycombe p. 71, dated in English to 1379. We feel this is a plausible byname for the son of Colin because MacLysaght surnames p. 51 has "Mac Collin". We think this is a reasonable variant. "O'Gallagher" MacLysaght surnames p. 117. A clan name.

Device:

Crescent cites "Laszlo Oroszlanveri", 7/71, vert, a lion rampant dismembered Or, multiply vulned gules. No CD, as this is an artistic variation.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Craigdon on the Water, Canton of

Amicia Sennet deBruger (New device)

Purpure, a castle and on a chief wavy argent, three terriers statant sable.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 3/98, Artemesia

Device:

Note to artist: the waves could stand to be larger in amplitude.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dun Or, Barony of

Zefiryna Mikhailovna (New device)

Or, a Russian firebird's head erased contourney and achief gules

Name:

submitted on the Caidan LoI of 11/15/99

Device:

Crescent cites "Myrddin de Munro" 1/84, Or, an eagle's head erased to sinister within a double tressure gules. Crescent argues that there may be a second CD for the number of peripheral charges. He is giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt in forwarding this to the college for discussion. Part of the reason that this is a judgement call is that we are accustomed to seeing a double tressure fleury counter-fleury where the flu-de-leis provide a unifying element making the entire artistic motif appear to be a single charge. It is also possible that there is a CD for change in type of head. However, the fact that one of the distinguishing features of an eagle's head, or a phoenix's head is a tuft, it is not clear whether these would be considered artistic variations or if this should be considered a CD.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Ceara ingen Conaill (New device)

Per chevron azure and vert a chevron enhanced Or and in base a compass rose argent.

Device:

The chevron needs to be a bit smaller, and a bit lower.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Cera in Luch (New name and device)

Azure, a mouse rampant contourney argent.

Name:

"Cera" is found in OCM p. 50. "in" "Luch" Makcolm MacLennan, Gaelic Dictionary, means "a mouse".

From submitter's e-mail conversation with Talan Gwynek:

"...probably the closest she can come in a Gaelic name is "Ceara", pronounced roughly \KYAH-ra\....The word is "luch", and it goes back to the very early Irish, so it was at least available. The Dictionary of the Irish Language Based Mainly on Old and Middle Irish Materials has no instance of "luch" as a byname, but it does mention one early instance of the word as a feminine personal name; this seems to me significantly to increase its plausibility as a byname. However, it's probably more likely at an early date, before the forename's spelling changed from "cear" to "Ceara", and the one clear instance of an animal byname that I've seen uses the definite article, so I'd recommend the name as "Cera in Luch". I really think that it ought to be registerable - I'd have registered it, anyway! - and it may even be moderately authentic."

Device:

Crescent cites "Acelin O'Comraidhe" 1/90, Azure, in pale three gerbils salient to sinister argent. He also notes "Grace Emeline of Ravenswood" 10/95, azure, in fess a mouse sagreant erect contourney argent supporting a chalice Or.

NAME APPROVED
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Elizabeth de Grobi (New name)

Name:

"Elizabeth" may be found in Withycombe, page 99 and dates to 1205. "de" is the Norman locative. "Grobi" is a town noted in the Domesday Book, and is cited in Johnson, page 282.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Osanna de Fries (New name and device)

Azure, on a fess between three fish argent, a fish gules

Name:

"Osanna" Bahlow p. 396, under "Osann", dated to 1380. "de" is not an uncommon article when used with a place name. See 'de Aken' 1300 (under Aaken, p. 1); "de Alefeld' 1320 (Ahlefeldt, p. 7);'de Alen' 1303 (Ahlen. p. 7); 'de Alvensleben' 1163 (p. 13), and many additional examples. "Fries" Bahlow p. 147, under "Fries(e)".

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Rhael Anedd (New badge)

Sable, a heart gules fimbriated Or between the tines of a heart's attires argent

Name:

Registered by laurel 7/98

Badge:

We note the blazon of a badge jointly held by the submitter and one other, Sable, a lightning bolt Or between the tines of a heart's attires argent.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Alt Andreas von Sohren (New name and device)

Quarterly per fess indented vert and argent, in bend two stags springing Or.

Name:

"Alt" is German for "old". "Andreas" may be found in Bahlow, page 27 under "Bahlow". These two elements mean "Old Andrew" and follow the same construction as "Althenne" ("Old Hans") on page 13. We are unsure if the submitted name needs to be conjoined to follow the documented forms and are leaving it as submitted. "Von" is the German locative. "Sohren" is also found in Bahlow, page 528, under "Sohr". It does appear to be spelled with an umlaut on the "o" when couched in the locative form, but the submitted form is also given so we are leaving it unchanged.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Isles, Shire of

Myfanwy ferch Rhys Cethin (New name)

Name:

"Myfanwy" is a Welsh name found in Tangwystl's article on Welsh Women's Given Names, found at http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/tangwystl/welshWomen16/given.html. "ferch" is the Welsh feminine patronymic. "Rhys" is a masculine given name and "Cethin" is a descriptive byname meaning "swarthy". Both are found on Tangwystl's page on Name Elements at http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/tangwystl/welshWomen16/elements.html

The name in toto follows the form of "gvmb", or Given-ferch-Masculine given name-Other byname which Tangwystl supports on her page: http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/tangwystl/welshWomen16/patterns.html. We did find additional supporting evidence of this name's construction, but have refrained from providing it because of the submitted documentation's clarity.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Southron Gaard, Barony of

Southron Gaard, Barony of: L'Ordre du Coeur Loyal (New order name and badge)

Gules, a Canterbury cross and in chief three mullets argent

Name:

Registered by Laurel 7/86

Submitted as "Order of the Coueur Loyal", changed to be entirely in French, with permission. Baronial award meaning Order of the Loyal Heart. Petitions attached.

NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Southron Gaard, Barony of: Order of the Tour D'Or (New order name and Badge)

Per pale gules and Or, a tower within a bordure embattled counterchanged

Name:

Petition included.

Badge:

Crescent notes "Gareth Nikodemos Sommerset", 88, Per pale gules and Or, a tower counterchanged.

Note to submitter: Master Gareth's address can be found in the Crown Prints if you wish to contact him for a letter of permission to conflict.

RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Chrétienne de Haverington (Device resub kingdom)

Azure, a fret couped Or interlaced with a quill pen palewiseargent, a bordure Or

Name:

Registered by Laurel 10/98

Device:

Submitter wishes to use the term "harrignton" instead of "fret" in the blazon as a cant. We have blazoned it this way in the interest of clarity in the ordinary. Note to submitter: Your registered name is spelled "Chrétienne" not "Chrehenne".

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ethelind of Darkwood Keep (New name and device)

Gules, three pomegranate Or seeded gules, on a bordure Or a tressure gules

Name:

"Ethelind" Withycombe p. 109, under Athelinda, Considering the referes to the Old English Aethelind. We feel that changing the AE diphthong to the E is an acceptable modification. For example, St. Ethelburga, from Aethelburh (died 767). There are several more examples on Withycombe p. 108.

"Darkwood Keep" is a constructed place name in the style of Whitham(???), Blackmoor, Grimlow(???) as topographic name + keep = manner or the building at Darkwood.

The name doesn't seem to be a valid period form. The two problems are "Dark-" and "Keep". We find no examples of "Dark" as a descriptive in period place-names; the more common term would be "Black". And while we find an example in Reaney & Wilson of "atte Keep", the keep is a specific part of a castle. If one specifies that one is from the keep, then the name of the castle is not necessary; if one must specify the name of the castle, the specific place in the castle becomes irrelevant. There are terms that refer to a homestead, notably "-house" and "-hall": Blackwood Hall would be fine, Darkwood Hall would be one leap from known practice, and Darkwood Keep is two leaps. We feel sure the name would be returned by Laurel, and so cannot in conscience forward it.

Device:

Checking precedents on this particular design, we note the precedents of Bruce Draconarius of Mistholm, p. 110, LoAR 8/93, p.10, "...The equal width of the outer three stripes, and the fact that the central stripe is of the field, give this the appearance of a bordure voided not of an orle within a bordure. Bordures voided and fimbriated have been disallowed since 8/83. Playing with the widths a bit, to make this a bordure cotised, would be equally unacceptable. On the other hand, a bordure charged with a tressure is a perfectly legal design. In the end, we decided that the latter blazon is the most accurate and reproducible description of the submitted emblazon -- and since it appears to be legal, we've accepted it. ...

NAME RETURNED FOR STYLE
DEVICE PENDED FOR LACK OF NAME

Postmeeting

Except for putting away files, the meeting ended at about 5 p.m.

In service to Caid.

Madawc ap Caradoc, Dolphin

Bibliography

Bahlow, Hans (1967). Dictionary of German Names. Max Kade Institute for German-American Studies, University of Wisconsin, Madison. Edda Gentry, trans., 1993.

MacLysaght, E. 1985. The Surnames of Ireland. Irish Academic Press: Dublin, sixth edition

Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire 1981.Gaelic Personal Names The Academy Press: Dublin.

Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. 1995. A Dictionary of British Surnames Oxford University Press, Oxford, third ed.

Seltzer, L. E., ed. 1952 The Columbia Lippincott Gazetteer of the World Columbia University Press: Morningside Heights, NY

Thanet Paul Wickendon of, 1996. Dictionary of Period Russian Names. FTPW: Mountain View CA. Second ed.

Withycombe, E. G. (1997) The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Oxford University Press: Oxford. Third ed.

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