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Minutes of the 17 October 1999 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 2000 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Meeting called to order at 11:20.

Crescent would like to invite territoral heralds to bring their regalia to GWW, and at some court yet to be determined, to process in a Pelican ceremony. Please join Crescent as he gets the bird. The exact court will be known before the event, we hope.[Late breaking news: it's currently scheduled for Grand Court, Saturday morning at 9:30.]

We have received the 8/1999 LoAR. Laurel commented on the standard she will use to protect mundane arms. She will use some combination of the importance of the person and the importance of the arms. She also discusses the use of mixed languages, "There are 4 categories of mixed-language names." See the LoAR for details.

The next KWHS will be in Houston, TX. There is a new roster, and a new address for changes to the roster.

There is a new rules letter. There are three proposed rule changes. See the LoAR for details. Commentary on proposed changes is invited. It will most likely be posted to the Laurel web site when the LoAR is posted there.

The war herald for GWW III wants volunteers for consulting and crying the camp. Crescent heartily encourages you to volunteer.

Coronation and Queen's Champion are in Heatherwine. If you need crash space contact Jeanne Marie.

The College's CIO, Lord Christopher Thomas, is forming a computer committee to explore how we can best use computing resources within the college. He is asking that anyone interested contact him at nomad@castle.org.


Submissions Considered

  • Aidan MacBain. Quarterly argent and erminois, a hand azure and in the 4th quarter a thistle proper within a bordure gules.
  • Annora verch Llwyd Bryneirian.
  • Antònio di Marco. Per chevron argent and azure, two demi-horses rampant respectant sable and a goblet argent.
  • Battista de Lagos.
  • Brictrec du Montaigne. Purpure, a wolf countourney rampant and a chief argent.
  • Caid, Kingdom Of. [Fieldless] An acorn proper.
  • Caid, Kingdom of. Furison Pursuivant
  • Cedric Myles Madoc. Quarterly sable and azure a stemmed four-leaved shamrock argent.
  • Cyneburh æt suðhamtun. Per pale vert and argent, a chevron counterchanged.
  • Halla Haustmyrkr.
  • Jeanne-Marie la Verriere. [Fieldless] A jocelyn wreathed argent and azure, belled Or.
  • Líadan of Seahaven. Argent, on a fess wavy azure, a whelk pierced by an arrow fesswise point to sinister argent.
  • Lochlan Erskine of Comarty. [Fieldless] A sinister hand proper grasping in saltire a banner sable and a teasel Or.
  • Luighseach nic Lochlainn. Vert, semy of lucys haurient Or two natural tigers sejant respectant argent marked sable.
  • Móirne inghean Étaín. Per saltire argent and azure, a goute within a bordure gules.
  • Móirne inghean Étaín. Quarterly, lozengy Or and purpure, and purpure, four triquetrae inverted argent.
  • Sarra the Gipsie. [Fieldless] A goat statant guardant Or atop a tambourine proper.
  • Sarra the Gipsie. Argent, a raven striking afrontie sable maintinging in its beak a bezant and in base an ankh purpure, a bordure sable.
  • Sigmund Svertingsson. Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron argent between a lion's head cabossed and a lance palewise Or.
  • Tiarnán ua Séaghdha.
  • Zefiryna Mikhailovna. Or, a Russian firebird's head erased controurny and a chief gules.
  • Zhivana Anastasiia Svemirovna. Gules, a comet fesswise argent and an open book Or.

Caid, Kingdom of

Caid, Kingdom Of (New badge)

[Fieldless] An acorn proper.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 2/75
Badge:
For the Order of the Acorn, whose name was registered in November 1989.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Caid, Kingdom Of (Furison Pursuivant [New Heraldic Title])

Name:
A furison is fire steel, a common tool which accompanies a flint for starting a fire. See figure 309 in the [Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, and Akagawa Yoshio; (1992) ]. The Compact OED Pg 1097 dates to 1536 'the flint and furison.'

HERALDIC TITLE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Altavia, Barony of

Battista de Lagos (Name Resub Laurel)

Name:

The submitter's previous name submission, Battista Kie De Lagos, was returned by Laurel for inappropriate capitalization of the particle De (The submitter did not allow even minor changes). The submitter has corrected the errant capitalization and taken Laurel's suggestion that the name would be more authentic without the inclusion of Kie.

Battista is found in [De Felice, Emidio; (1986) , page 73] under Battisti. Lagos is a city in the Algrave province of Portugal dating from the 14th century in [Seltzer, L. E.; (1952) , page 1007] as a favorite residence of Prince Henry the Navigator.

The submitter has been advised that Battista is a masculine name.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Angels, Barony of

Antònio di Marco (Resub device)

Per chevron argent and azure, two demi-horses rampant respectant sable and a goblet argent.

Name:
Approved and sent to Laurel 8/99
Device:

Submitted in lieu of device withdrawn last month.

Crescent cites Eillisis Kormaksdottir, 5/84, Per chevron, argent and azure two pegasi combatant sable and a rose argent. We feel this is clear by X.2 due to the change between a pegasus and a demi-horse being a substantial change.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Móirne inghean Étaín (New Name and Device)

Quarterly, lozengy Or and purpure, and purpure, four triquetrae inverted argent.

Name:
Móirne may be found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 138]. inghean is the feminine patronymic. Étaín may be found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 90].

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Móirne inghean Étaín (New Badge)

Per saltire argent and azure, a goute within a bordure gules.

Badge:
No conflict found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Calafia, Barony of

Halla Haustmyrkr (New Name)

Name:
Both of the following names are found in [Geirr Bassi Haraldsson; (1977) ]. Halla may be found on page 10, and Haustmyrkr on page 22.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Jeanne-Marie la Verriere (New badge)

[Fieldless] A jocelyn wreathed argent and azure, belled Or.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 3/98
Device:

Note to artist: The form drawn mixes the two major forms of this charge. It would be better to draw it one way or the other.

Crescent cites Trimaris, Kingdom of, 6/97, [Fieldless] A jocelyn wreathed azure and argent, belled argent.

BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Tiarnán ua Séaghdha (New Name)

Name:
Tiarnán is found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 170]. ua is the patronymic for "the son of the son of". Séaghdha is found in [MacLysaght, E.; (1985) , page 269].

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Zhivana Anastasiia Svemirovna (New device)

Gules, a comet fesswise argent and an open book Or.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 11/98
Device:
Note to artist: Please make the comet larger.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Luighseach nic Lochlainn (Device change (redrawn/reblazon))

Vert, semy of lucys haurient Or two natural tigers sejant respectant argent marked sable.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 1/96
Device:

Resubmission to petition for reblazon from vert, semi of fish naiant Or, two domestic cats sejant respectant argent marked sable. Laurel previously declined to specify the charges as lucys and tigers given the emblazon. The submitter has redrawn the emblazon to make the charges clearly what she intends.

Crescent realizes that the default position for a lucy is haurient, but feels it should be blazoned specifically.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sarra the Gipsie (New name and device)

Argent, a raven striking affronty sable maintinging in its beak a bezant and in base an ankh purpure, a bordure sable.

Name:

Sarra Withycombe p. 263-264, under Sarra. Dated to 1189.

Gipsie OED vol 1, p 174, dated to 1620.

Device:
Note to artist: The feathers need to be hairier to be more recognizably a raven.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sarra the Gipsie (New badge)

[Fieldless] A goat statant guardant Or atop a tambourine proper.

Name:
approved and sent to Laurel at this meeting
Device:

The goat is not identiafiable without the horns. The feet need to be drawn with cloven hooves and the tufts of hair. In summary, it needs to be drawn as a heraldic goat.

This armoury was not conflict checked.

Badge returned for redraw


Dun Or, Barony of

Sigmund Svertingsson (New Name and Device)

Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron argent between a lion's head cabossed and a lance palewise Or.

Name:
Sigmund may be found in [Bahlow, Hans; (1993) page 524] under Siegmund. It is dated to the Niebelunglied. Svertingsson is the correct patronymic for Svertingr, which is found in [Geirr Bassi Haraldsson; (1977) , page 15]. We note that Sigmundr is found in GierBassi on page 14. While the name would be more authentic in old Norse to retain the "r", since Sigmund is the normal Anglicized version of the name and is documentable in German, we are forwarding it in the submitted spelling.
Device:
We note to the artist that the lion's head should be drawn larger with the tongue smaller, and the spear thicker.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Zefiryna Mikhailovna (Change of holding name; New device)

Or, a Russian firebird's head erased controurny and a chief gules.

Name:

Name change from Esmeralda of Dun Or 8/96, Caid.

Zefiryna Hoffman and Helon p. 357.

Mikhailovna Wickenden p. 139-140, under Mikhail. Dated to 1523.

Per the Admin Handbook, no fee is required for a change of holding name.

Device:
The head is not identiafiable. We can't tell it is a bird's head, much less a firebird's. Please make sure it looks like a Russian Firebird if that is what the submitter desires. Note that there will be a conflict if the bird's head is changed to dexter.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Aidan MacBain (New Name and Device)

Quarterly argent and erminois, a hand azure and in the 4th quarter a thistle proper within a bordure gules.

Name:

Aidan is found in [Withycombe, E. G.; (1977) , page 7], undated in this spelling. The name is also discussed by Arval Benicoeur at http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/problemnames/aidan.html, in "Concerning the Names Aidan, Aédhán, Aodh, and the Like"

"The name was only very occasionally used outside Ireland. We have found only one very early example in Scotland, a king of Argyll who lived around 600 AD [2]. The name also appears in 8-10th century Welsh records as Aidan or Aedan, in Cornwall in an Anglo-Saxon context as Ae?an, and in other Anglo-Saxon records as Æthan [1, 6, 7]."

MacBain is found in [Black, George F.; (1946) , page 457], undated in this spelling. The earliest version noted dates to 1638. The submitter will not accept major changes.

Device:
This is a textbook example of marshalling and as such is unacceptable for SCA use.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR APPEARANCE OF MARSHALLING


Heatherwyne, Shire of

Cedric Myles Madoc (Kingdom resub device)

Quarterly sable and azure a stemmed four-leaved shamrock argent.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 6/92
Device:

Resub from a Kingdom return 3/92.

Crescent cites Eilis ni Roibeard O'Boirne 8/77 [tinctureless] A quatrafoil knot. Crescent feels that the space within the knot is equivalent to voiding, and gives a CD.

Crescent cites Medwed Janos 8/98, Vert fretty Or, a quatrafoil argent. Fretty is not a field treatment, therefore this gets one CD for the fretty (LoAR 11/92 cover letter), and one for change in tincture of the field.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Lyondemere, Barony of

Líadan of Seahaven (Badge resub kingdom)

Argent, on a fess wavy azure, a whelk pierced by an arrow fesswise point to sinister argent.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 11/98
Badge:
Crescent notes Robert MacFlandry of Dundee 8/79, Ermine, on a fess wavy azure a dolphin naiant argent, Clear by X.4.j.2 (simple armoury).

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lochlan Erskine of Comarty (New badge)

[Fieldless] A sinister hand proper grasping in saltire a banner sable and a teasel Or.

Name:
Registered by Laurel 2/90
Device:
Submitter releases [Fieldless] Four comets conjoined in saltire, heads to center, Or on registration of this badge.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Naevehjem, Barony of

Cyneburh æt Suðhamtun (New device)

Per pale vert and argent, a chevron counterchanged.

Name:
On the Caidan LoI dated 08/01/99
Device:

Submitter would like her previous device Per bend vert and purpure, a yale's head couped argent retained as a badge.

From Papworth Stokes of Ireland Per pale vert and argent a chevron counterchanged. While there is an Irish Stokes listed in Webster's Biographical, the difference in the dates of the sources between the two entries show that they do not seem to be connected. We do not feel that there is sufficient grounds to protect these arms.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Western Seas, Barony of

Annora verch Llwyd Bryneirian (New Name)

Name:
Annora may be found in [Withycombe, E. G.; (1977) , page 154] under Honor. verch is the Welsh feminine patronymic. Llwyd is modern Welsh spelling of Lloyd, and is also found in [Withycombe, E. G.; (1977) , page 197]. Bryneirian appears to be a plausible Welsh construction using the elements bryn = hill, and eirian = bright, beautiful. The latter element is asserted by the submitter's online documentation (by Alan Terlep, ximinez@umich.edu, for the Academy of St. Gabriel, June 14, 1996, but we cannot verify it with our The New Welsh Dictionary: Y Geiriadur Newydd, H. Evans and W. Thomas, ed.)

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Wintermist, Shire of

Brictrec du Montaigne (New Name)

Purpure, a wolf countourney rampant and a chief argent.

Name:
Brictrec is old English, found in the [Von Feilitzen, Olaf; (1937) , page 208]. du Montaigne is found in [Dauzat, A.; (1951), page 439].

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Postmeeting

Except for putting away files, the meeting ended at about 4:15 p.m. Scribed [and nicely, too] by Christopher Thomas and Thomas Brownwell. Commentary added by Master James and Eridanna.

In service to Caid.
Madawc ap Caradawc, Dolphin


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