Minutes of the 12 September 1999 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 2000 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Meeting called to order at 11:18.

Remember each territorial herald is responsible for either attending a college meeting or submitting a quarterly report once per quarter. Send reports to Crescent's address, or email them to . Event reports do not count as quarterly reports. This may change to requiring quarterly reports period. It needs to consist of at least the current date (including the year), your name (SCA and legal), what quarter the report is for, and any heraldic activities happening in your territory.

First and early announcement: Domesday reports are due to Eirikr no later than 12th night. Do not turn them in before the December CoH meeting.

The GWW III herald would like help, she needs criers (once in the morning, once in the evening). Large site, needs lots of heralds to do the cries. Contact Aurum. James will be bringing books to the war for consulting, Aurum has a pavilion for it.

James is bringing books to Crown tourney for consulting as well. It's next weekend, we need people to help on the fields and make announcements. Tabards are encouraged, but if you are over heating, use a baldric.

Mini-collegium is October 2nd. Territorial officers are strongly encouraged to attend. Non-territorial officers are encouraged to attend. New territorial officers are Vehemently, Strongly Encouraged to attend.

Names in Sanscrit, etc, can now be researched. Thanks Master James. He also got a book from Down Under, A Tudor Book of Arms. From the period of Henry VI, via a few other books. Published in 1904. Looks wonderful.

The College thanks Master Giles for a book on Middle Earth languages (while Professor Tolkien's languages are no longer acceptable for names, they are an interesting historical footnote to the history of heraldry in the SCA). We also thank Astriþr for a book on French Conjugations.

We're looking for a high-end (AMD K6-2 or Pentium II, 32MB RAM and 4GB disk at least) host to run the College's Web Site. If you have anything, contact Christopher Thomas at ct@castle.org.

Crash space is available for coronation/Queen's Champion. Contact Jeanne Marie Lacroix at , or [phone number deleted] and leave a message.

During a moment of extreme silliness, CT was heard to sing (To the tune of If I Were a Rich Man), If I were consulting / I would tell all my submitters better bigger bold and butch / All day long we'd color in the forms / leaving not a line untouched. Whereupon he was soundly beaten by the College.

In the May, 1999 minutes of the CoH, Trident was credited and gave thanks to all of the people who assisted with the Caidan Scribal and Heraldic Symposium. It was the most recent past Trident, Lord Christopher Thomas, not the current Trident.

Submissions Considered

• Andrés Miguel Rodriquez de la Rosa. Argent, on a pile throughout sable a winged rabbit rampant wielding in its sinister paw a rapier argent.
• Antonio di Marco.
• Catalina del Sol de Oro. Gules, a sunburst Or issuant from clouds argent within a bordure Or.
• Christiana de Mandeville. Azure, a chevron between two escarbuncles argent and a fleur-de-leis Or.
• Deirdre inghean Dhomhnaill mhic Madwc.
• Eos Du.
• Forveleth MacChruiter.
• Ghislaine d'Auxerre. [Fieldless] A spur fesswise Or.
• Ghislaine d'Auxerre. [Fieldless] a cross potent Or.
• Guinevere of Lyonesse. Azure, a lioness statant guardant Or within an orle of increscents argent.
• Jacopa Maria de Matteo Adimari.
• John Morgan of Caerleon+.
• Karol Johanna Gartenheit. [Fieldless] A jonquil blossom Or.
• Líadan of Seahaven. [Fieldless] A whelk argent.
• Lancelot of Burgundy.
• Qara Unegen.
• Red Lórien of Oak River. [Fieldless] a compass star gyrony Or and gules within and conjoined to an annulet Or.
• Red Lórien of Oak River. Vert, a zebra rampant argent marked sable and in chief a compass star Or.
• Robert Camulos Brigantius. Per bend sinister vert and sable, a falcon striking and maintaining by the blade a rapier between three fleurs de lys Or.
• Rowen Seer. Per chevron inverted argent and azure an Orca embowed sable marked argent and three double-bitted axes argent.
• Sorcha Spottiswood. Argent, on a bend sable between two frogs vert, a heart between two keys bendwise argent.
• Tiarnán ui Shea.

Altavia, Barony of

Catalina del Sol de Oro (New name and device)

Gules, a sunburst Or issuant from clouds argent within a bordure Or.

Name:

Catalina Elspeth Anne Roth's article, 16th Century Spanish Names, Pennsic XXVI, page 2.

del Sol de Oro a locative meaning the Golden Sun. Spanish Surnames by Melcons p. 103, section 96, Oro Sol is documented from 1219. It appears that Oro is the given name. Since we can document Sol as a surname, and this appears cognate to the various inn sign names we know of in English, we feel that this is a valid construction.

We note Catalina d'Orieux, 2/94, East, but feel the addition of the secondary name phrase is sufficient difference.

Device:

We note Cordelia FitzRobert of York, 8/96, Gules, a demi-sun in splendor Or issuant from a cloud Argent. Crescent feels there is a CD between a sunburst and a demi-sun issuant from clouds, but requests a visual check. Note to artist: The Border needs to be drawn larger.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Deirdre inghean Dhomhnaill mhic Madwc (Name Change Resub (K))

Name:

The submitter's current name is Anastasia mac Donald. For the new name, Diérdre is found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 71]. inghean is the lenited feminine patronymic for Irish Gaelic. Dhomhnaill is the lenited form of Domnall found on page 75 ibid. mhic is the lenited masculine patronymic mac in early Irish Gaelic. Madwc is a Welsh name found in [Black, George F.; (1946) , page 573] under Maduc. We note the fact that there appears to be a cognate name in Irish, Máedóc, but as we allow the combination of names from two Gaelic cultures we are leaving the spelling of the last name element unchanged. We do not know if it should be lenited... Finally, we note, but believe that this name does not conflict with, the name Deirdre inghean Dhomnaill, registered by Laurel in November 1997.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Guinevere of Lyonesse (New name and device)

Azure, a lioness statant guardant Or within an orle of increscents argent.

Name:

Guinevere Withycombe p. 140-141. Requester asks that if name has to be changed, she would prefer Gu over Gw.

Lyonesse A location in England (probably), now unknown. It was in Cornwall and was submerged into the ocean. It is unclear if this was a mythological event or a historical one. The location is documented in the Arthurian legends, and mentioned in other accounts. The King Arthur Companion, Phyllis Ann Karr, privately published, ISBN 08359-3698-8, p. 131, which appears to make it clear that this was a land where humans lived, at least in fiction if not in historical fact.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Robert Camulos Brigantius (New Name and Device)

Per bend sinister vert and sable, a falcon striking and maintaining by the blade a rapier between three fleurs de lys Or.

Name:

Robert is the submitter's mundane name (see attached DL photocopy). It dates to 1066 in [Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M.; (1995), page 380]. Camulos is a Roman place name in Britain. The submitter cites a book not in our library, Placenames of Roman Britain by Rivet & Smith, which information was provided by Tangwystl through e-mail. Brigantius is a Latinized name found in Die Kosenamen der Germanen by Franz Stark, page 118. We note that this last name is a form of address which could be used by Brigantia Herald and would like commentary by the College. Crescent would like to note that it was common for English Heralds to use Latinized forms of their titles, and for them to use their Heraldic title as a surname (the latter practice continuing to the present day; Heraldry and the Heralds, Rodney Dennis, page150). These facts together give rise to a reading of this name that Robert Camulos is claiming to be Brigantia Herald. We are therefore concerned that this name is presumptuous. We note that the actual denotation of the name claims a tribal affiliation with Brigantes, a people in the northern parts of Britain, as found in [Wright, F. A.; (1984) , page 110]. Nor is it necessarily clear that, absent any other connection with either the East or the heralds, that the name is therefore unregisterable.

Device:

The sword/rapier should be drawn with a wider blade, and the fleurs de lys should be drawn significantly larger.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angels, Barony of

Antonio di Marco (Withdrawal of submission)

Device:

Device approved at kingdom last month. Submitter withdraws the submission.

DEVICE WITHDRAWN BY SUBMITTER.

Red Lórien of Oak River (New badge)

[Fieldless] a compass star gyrony Or and gules within and conjoined to an annulet Or

Name:

Registered by Laurel 4/99

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Red Lórien of Oak River (Device resub Laurel)

Vert, a zebra rampant argent marked sable and in chief a compass star Or.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 4/99

Device:

Note to artist: make the compass star much larger.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Rowen Seer (Name and device resub kingdom)

Per chevron inverted argent and azure an Orca embowed sable marked argent and three double-bitted axes argent.

Name:

Rowen Woulfe p. 151. Anglisized version of the Gaelic Ruarþin.

Seer Middle English Surnames of Occupation 1100-1350 by Gustav Fransson p. 201, an Old English toponymic meaning from or of the sea.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Calafia, Barony of

Eos Du (New Name)

Name:

Eos is found in [Wright, F. A.; (1984) , page 251] and is the Greek cognate of the Latin/English name Aurora. Du is a surname found in [Morgan, TJ and Morgan, Prys; (1985) , page 87] documented to Elizabethan London. Note that this name rhymes with Dee. This submission purports ths use of the name of a Greek goddess in late period England. We have found several of Latin and Greek names commonly used in England and would argue that Eos, while not found in any of our books, follows the same usage. In particular, Hercules (1567), Dyonisia (1279), and Diana (1580).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Forveleth MacChruiter (New Name)

Name:

Forveleth may be found in [Black, George F.; (1946) , page 275] dated to 1271. MacChruiter is found on page 468, ibid. This is the header spelling which is undated and is derived from the occupation cruiteir = harper (Scots Gaelic). Black claims that the name dates to the 13th century but all of the variants given are from the 16th C and later.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Lancelot of Burgundy (New Name)

Name:

Lancelot is found in [Withycombe, E. G.; (1977) , page 190] and dates to the 13th Century in England. Burgundy is the Anglicized spelling of the French region of Bourgogne. According to The King Arthur Companion, by Phyllis Karr, Lancelot of the Lake, the famous knight of the Arthurian romance, was the son of Ban and Elaine of Benwick (page 56). The author then identifies on page 115 the region named Benwick in France as being the more commonly named region of Burgandy (or Burgogne).

NAME RETURNED FOR PRETENSE. **Note: this entry was cited as being approved on the hard copy of the minutes. This name was in fact returned.**

Tiarnán ui Shea (New Name)

Name:

Tiarnán may be found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 170] under Tigernán. Ua is the Irish clan patronym found throughout period according to Tangwystl's article, "A Name-Research Cheat-Sheet" which she handed out at Pennsic XXVI. Shea is the Anglicized form of Séaghbha [MacLysaght, E.; (1985) , page 269]. Unfortunately, the submitter has selected that no changes may be made to the name so we are returning it for his approval.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF LINGUISTIC CONSISTENCY

Darach, Shire of

Andrés Miguel Rodriquez de la Rosa (Device resub Laurel)

Argent, on a pile throughout sable a winged rabbit rampant wielding in its sinister paw a rapier argent.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 11/98

Device:

We note Traidenis Vilkas of Winter Oak 3/78, Argent, on a pile Sable, a wolf's head cabossed argent.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

John Morgan of Caerleon (New Name)

Name:

John Morgan may be found under Morgan in [Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M.; (1995) , page 314], dated to 1214. Caerleon is a town in Wales, and is found in [Johnson, James; (1994) , page 180]. Variant spellings have been in use since the 12th century.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Qara Unegen (New Name)

Name:

This is a Mongolian Name. The submitter cites the web-page http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/baras-aghur/mongolian.html as the primary source and submitted a printout of the entire document, which indicates that Qara means black and Unegen means fox (see pages 6 and 7). On page 4 the article clearly shows that this name combination is correctly composed, Period names of the n+n pattern are combined of two elements, both of which can stand on their own... Animal names may be combined with names that are of a different type (i.e. a name could be constructed of black wolf, but not tiger wolf. We note that the original article On the Documentation and Construction of Period Mongolian Names, Baras-Aghur Naran, was published in the KWHS proceedings, Meridies, AS XXXI. In addition, Mistress Marta sites the name Qara Budang = Black Bear in her article Mongolian Naming Practices Revisited, page 176 of the KWHS Tir Ysgithr, AS XXXIII.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sorcha Spottiswood (New Name and Device)

Argent, on a bend sable between two frogs vert, a heart between two keys bendwise argent.

Name:

Sorcha may be found in [Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981) , page 167] and was common in medieval Ireland. Spottiswood may be found in [Black, George F.; (1946) , page 742] and dates to 1565.

Device:

We note that the default SCA position for a key is fesswise, wards to dexter base. We note that this bendwise orientation is that which a palewise key would rotate into, but since the SCA default for a palewise key is wards to base which would put the wards to sinister base. So, we want to make the distinction and not simply blazon it as ... two keys between....

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Christiana de Mandeville (New Name and Device)

Azure, a chevron between two escarbuncles argent and a fleur-de-leis Or.

Name:

Christiana Withycombe p. 65, under Christiana, dated to 1199.

Mandeville Reaney p. 296, header of the same spelling. Dated to 1086.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ghislaine d'Auxerre (other)

[Fieldless] A spur fesswise Or.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 7/90

Badge:

Submitter releases this badge.

RELEASE OF BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ghislaine d'Auxerre (new)

[Fieldless] a cross potent Or.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 7/90

Badge:

Submitter releases [Fieldless] a cross potent engrailed Or upon registration of this badge.

Not in conflict with Brenchesle, Azure, a cross potent Or, Papworth. Also Alleyn, Baronetcy granted in 1629, Sable, a cross potent Or. There are other conflicts in Papworth, none of which appear to be significant enough to warrant protection.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Jacopa Maria de Matteo Adimari (New Name)

Name:

Jacopa is an Italian name which the submitter has documented from the webpage http://www.sca.org/heraldry/Laurel/names/italian.html Italian Renaissance Women's Names, Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale. According to the attached documentation all of the names contained there date to the 14th or 15th century in Florence. We have also found it spelled Iacopain [De Felice, Emidio-Nomi; (1986) , page 187], under the heading of Giácomo. Maria is an Italian name dated to 1203 in [Withycombe, E. G.; (1977) , page 211]. The submitter has documented Matteo in Women, Family and Ritual in Renaissance Italy by C. Klaplisch-Zuber, page 296, dated to 1435. In addition we have found it in [De Felice, Emidio-Cognomi; (1978) , page 164] under Mattéi. Adimari is found in [ibid., page 44].

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Líadan of Seahaven (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A whelk argent.

Name:

Registered by Laurel 11/98

Badge:

Badge for the Royal Bard, Kingdom of Atlantia, 6/98 [Fieldless] A whelk shell palewise argent.

BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Karol Johanna Gartenheit (Name change, resub Laurel; New Badge)

[Fieldless] A jonquil blossom Or.

Name:

This is a resubmission of a name change, releasing the old name.

Karol: Submitter appeals to the Grandfather Clause for this name element. A Polish form of Karl found in Drosdowski p. 127-128, undated.

Johanna: Drosdowski p. 123, dated to 15th-16th Century.

Gartenheit: Submitter appeals to the Grandfather Clause for this name element.

Badge:

Submitter includes a letter of Permission to Conflict from the Barony of Winter's Gate for the Order of the Gilded Lily, Sable, a lily blossom Or.

Submitter releases old badge Per bend sinister Or and azure, in fess a card pique inverted and a jonquil blossom counterchanged once this badge is registered.

NAME CHANGE AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

Except for putting away files, the meeting ended at about 5 p.m. Minutes scribed by Christopher Thomas and Thomas Brownwell, edited by Crescent and Dolphin.

In service to Caid.

Madawc Caradoc, Dolphin

Bibliography

Black, George F. (1946) The Surnames of Scotland: Their Origin, Meaning, and History. New York: The New York Public Library Ninth printing, 1989.

Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme, and Akagawa Yoshio (1992) A Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry as Used in the Society for Creative Anachronism. Caid: Privately published 2nd..

De Felice, Emidio (1986) Dizionario dei nomi Italiani. Milan: Arnoldo Mondadori.

De Felice, Emidio (1978) Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani. Milan: Arnoldo Mondadori.

Dennis, Rodney, (1982) Heraldry and the Heralds. London: Jonathan Cape, Inc. [reprinted 1984]

Drosdowski

Johnson, James (1994) Place Name of England and Wales. London: Bracken Books Apparently a reprint of the 1915 edition pub. by John Murray.

Kerr, Phyllis, (?) The King Arthur Companion.

Keridwen ferch Morgan Glasfryn (Heather Rose Jones) (1991) "Names and Naming Practices in the Merioneth Lay Subsidy Roll 1292-3" Knowne World Heraldic Symposium, Atlantia, A.S. XXVI. pages 75-120. JuneSCA-Free Trumpet Press West.

MacLysaght, E. (1985) The Surnames of Ireland. Irish Academic Press, Dublin, sixth edition.

Morgan, TJ and Morgan, Prys (1985) Welsh Surnames. University of Wales Press.

Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire (1981) Gaelic Personal Names. The Academy Press, Dublin.

Oxford University, editor (1971) The Compact Edition of the Oxford English Dictionary. Oxford University Press, Oxford.

Reaney, P. H., and Wilson, R. M. (1995) A Dictionary of British Surnames. Oxford University Press, Oxford, third ed.

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(1987) Cassell's Latin & English Dictionary. New York: Macmillan.

Talan Gwynek (1996) "On Feminine Patronymics in Gaelic" Caidan Heraldic and Scribal Symposium, AS XXX, Vol. II. pages 51-57. Upland, CA. Caidan College of Heralds.

Withycombe, E. G. (1977) The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Oxford: Oxford University Press Third.

Woulfe, Patrick (1967) Sloinnte Gaetheal ir Gall: Irish Names and Surnames. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company.

Wright, F. A. (1984) Lempriére's Classical Dictionary. Routledge & Kegan Paul.

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