Minutes of the 18 July 1999 Meeting
[Note: These submissions appear on the Dec 1999 LoAR]
Notes and Announcements
Future meeting dates are: 22 August, 12 September, 17 October, 7 November,
and 12 December.
Meeting was called to order at 11:22. The last name was considered and closed
at 16:15. There were 37 actions considered.
On the matter of Her Majesty's name. She has a new name in submission. She
prefers to be called by this usage, so when you speak to or of her, you should
use the nickname "tSeanachaidhe" [pronounced:
Shannahie]. Even when reading official documents, use her nickname.
She will correct you in court if you do not use her preferred
pronunciation.
Their Majesties have expressed their intent to change kingdom law with
regards to eligibility for crown tourney. The new requirements are only those
stated in corpora. The requirement that the fighter and consort have name and
arms registered or in submission, letter of intent, and 6 events in previous
reign are all being removed.
It has been Caidan tradition for quite some time that only fighting titles
are called on the field. This tradition was reviewed at the last pan-peerage
meeting, and it appears that the tradition was re-affirmed. However, the exact
interpretation of this has never been clarified, given that there are several
kinds of "fields" and several sets of titles. The issue having been
raised, Crescent has decided that fighting titles can be transferred between
fields. Knights can be called on the rapier field, Dons can be called on the
heavy weapons list, etc. Keep in mind that only fighting titles (AoA from
Gauntlet, for example) will be called Lord on the field. One whose
honorific comes from a non-fighting AoA level award shall not be so styled. It
is up to the fighters to decide which, if any, title will be called. Only one
title will be called. Palatine Barons - those who who win Baronage in a
heavy-weapons contest - call their titles during their reign, but not when made
court barons following their reign as Palatine Barons.
A Gaelic Dictionary has been donated by Lady Aislinn from the Shire of
al-Sahid. The College thanks her.
Great Western War III is coming up. We need consulting and field heralds
(criers for the morning and evening announcements). Herald's point will be in a
rented pavilion. Banners to dress it up would be nice. Please contact Aurum to
volunteer. If you are interested in learning how to do this job, contact her as
well.
Darkwell War is coming, the end of this month. Please come. Heralds will be
needed.
Anyone who is working an event which has a Royal Presence, please get
announcements with awards to Dolphin or Mannus, we'd like to publish the
information. Please send it to
if you wish to email
it. Please send them as plain-text email. Event reports should be sent to
Crescent, Golden Rose, and Manus.
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KWHS was last month. De-facto transition of Laurel's office has happened.
Dejure transition will be soon. New Laurel is Elsbeth Ann Roth who lives in the
East. Next year's KWHS might (will probably) be in Ansteorra.
Happy Birthday dear Crescent!
Altavia, Barony of
Dierdre nyn Donald ap Madoc (New Name (Change))
- Name:
"Deidre" may be found in Ó Corráin and Maguire
pg. 71, but we have no reliable documentation for the submitter's spelling.
"Donald" may be found in Ó Corráin and Maguire pg.
75. "Madoc" is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire pg.
156.
Unfortunately, the submitter mixes the Gaelic article "nyn" with
an English name "Donald" which we cannot plausibly document. We
recommend that the entire name be in a single language (i.e. Scots Gaelic),
or at least that the name "Donald" be given in the Scots variant.
At the same time it is necessary to change the second article "ap"
to "mac" or "map" to be consistent with the location of
the first half of the name. The submitter does not explicitly state her
intention for the old name so we assume that she wishes it to be
released.
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
Gertraud von Wuerzburg (New badge)
Quarterly argent and vert, a cross bottony gules
- Name:
- Registered 01/98
BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Simon the Rock (New name and device)
Vert, a Celtic cross within a bordure embattled argent
- Name:
- This submission is considered presumptuous as the name is one of the
apostles from the Christian Bible. We cite Mathew 6:16-19. Wherein St. Peter,
referred to as Simon-Peter is called the rock by Christ.
- Device:
- We cite "Theron de Caermon" 4/96, Vert, a tau cross within a
bordure embattled argent.
NAME RETURNED FOR PRESUMPTION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Calafia, Barony of
Amanda O'Kellahan (New Name and Device)
Azure, a horse passant and on a base pointed argent a drop spindle
azure
- Name:
- "Amanda" is the submitter's mundane name, and she has supplied a
photocopy of her driver's licence. According to Withycombe, pg. 18 the name
is a 17th C invention. "O'Kellahan" is found under
"O'Kelaghan" in Maclysaght pg. 174. Both of these names are
variants of "Kealaghan", on page 170.
NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Antèa Francésca da Santa Lucia (New Name)
- Name:
Submitted as Antea Francesca de Santa Lucia.
"Antèa" is the feminine form of "Antèo",
found in de Felice-Nomi, pg 68. "Francésca" is the feminine
form of "Francesco", also found in de Felice-Nomi pg. 175.
"da" is the Italian locative "from the town of", and she
claims her origin as "Santa Lucia", a town in Italy, which we found
undated in Columbia-Lippencott, pg. 1690.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Charles Laighléis (New Name)
- Name:
"Charles" can be found in Withycombe pg. 62, and dates to the
1273.
"Laighléis" is found in MacLysaght pg. 191 under
"Lawless".
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Éblenn ingen meic an Úcaire (New Name)
- Name:
- "Éblenn" is from Ó Corráin and Maguire pg.
82 under "Ébliu". "ingen" means "daughter
of" from Talan-Feminine. "Mac an Úcaire" is a surname
from MacLysaght pg. 116.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Maelduin Mac Corby (New name and Device)
Argent, vêtu a corby displayed sable
- Name:
- "Maelduin", is found in Black p. 573, under Maeldun, died 1055.
Ó Corráin and Maguire shows this as "Máel
Dúin" dated to 722. "Mac Corby", is found in MacLysaght
p. 58. Ó Corráin and Maguire p. 129.
- Device:
We note "Cealmhain Realt Dubh" 11/81, argent
vêtu-ployé sable and "Magnus Boskin" 1/92 Caid,
argent vêtu-ployé a sword fesswise sable. These are
clear because of X.1. (addition of primary) and X.2 (complete change of
primary). Additionally, Da'ud [1] says "there is a CVD for...modifying
the line of division of the field from straight to 'ployé' or embowed
to base." LoAR 3/91, p. 3.
Further, crescent cites "Monfred, King of Sicily" important
non-SCA arms registered 12/94, Argent, an eagle displayed sable and
"Germany" important non-SCA arms, 12/94, Or, an eagle displayed
sable. "Rurik of Mirkwood" 8/71, Quarterly gules and
argent, a falcon displayed sable. There are 2 CDs, one for the field,
one for the eagle or falcon to the raven.
Lastly, Crescent cites "Bran of Cornwall" 8/72, vair, a
raven displayed sable. If the submitter draws it as Sable, on a
lozenge... (not throughout), it should be clear of this.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Patrick of Avebury (Badge resubmission Laurel)
[Fieldless]: A compass-star within and conjoined to an annulet sable
charged with a crux ansata argent
- Name:
- Registered by laurel 03/99
- Badge:
- This is not sufficiently conjoined to the annulet. This can be corrected
either by showing all of the arms of the compass-star distinctly touching the
annulet, or putting it on an argent field.
RETURNED FOR REDRAW
Runa Ragnarsdottir (New badge)
[Fieldless]: On a maple leaf vert a decrescent Or
- Name:
Registered by laurel 12/97
Note:This is the badge for a new household. House name is being registered
by a different submitter. - Badge:
- Crescent cites "Siobhan O'Riordain" 5/91, Atlantia, [Fieldless]
On an elm leaf vert an apple Or and "Stevyn of Beinn nam
Faoghla" 10/93 Trimaris, [Fieldless] on a blackthorn leaf vert an
increscent argent as well as a number of other examples of charged
single lobed vert leaves. These are clear for 1 CD for fieldlessness, one CD
for type of leaf. By precedent, (Da'ud 2, 5/94 p. 9) there is a CD between a
single-lobed leaf and it appears reasonable to extend this to a CD between
any single-lobed leaf and a maple leaf, we consider these to be clear.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Seaan Dowe (New Name)
- Name:
- "Seaan" is a variant spelling of "Sean", found in
Ó Corráin and Maguire pg. 163. "Dowe" is from Black
pg. 218 and is found under "Dove" and dates to 1370 in this
spelling. No variants (such as John Doe, Jean D'Eaux) were found in the
Armorial.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Tycho Kepler (New name and device)
Azure, a swan contourny argent and in chief three wheels Or
- Name:
- "Tycho" is found in Webster's Biographical p. 185, dated to
1546. "Kepler" is found in Webster's Biographical p. 815, dated to
1571.
- Device:
- Crescent cites "Brendan McCarrel" 6/93 Merridies Azure, a
swan rousant contourny and a chief embattled argent. Clear by number and
color.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Valerianus Magnus (New device)
Per bend rayonny azure and Or
- Name:
- submitted on the Caidan LoI of 04/15/99
- Device:
- Please feed the rayonny. Bigger, fewer, healthier.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Zhivana Anastasiia Svemirovna (New Household Name: House of the Amber
Moon)
- Name:
Submitter's name registered 09/98.
"Amber" is a color. See its entry in the OED pg. 67, and in
specific the phrase "amber tresses", dated to 1594.
"Moon" may be found in the OED pg. 1845.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Dreiburgen, Barony of
Elaine of Elswicke (New: name change and device change)
Per chevron per pale azure and purpure and argent plumetty sable in chief
a crescent between two stags salient respectant argent.
- Name:
Changing primary persona from "Elaine of Elswicke" to
"Sigrid Svanjharta Einarsdottir". Wants to retain previous persona
as secondary.
"Sigrid" found in GeirrBassi p. 14, spelled
"Sigriðr". This appears to be the anglicized form.
"Svanjharta" is found in Modern Svensk-Engelsk Ordbok p. 455, svan
(swan), p. 183-183, -hjärtad (found under hård) means hearted (the
entry is for "hårdhjärtad" meaning
"hardhearted". Intended meaning is swanheart. Old Norse names do
not tend to the abstract. After discussion with the submitter, the name is
being returned for better research. "Einarsdottir,"
"Einar" is found in GeirrBassi p. 9. This construction follows the
rules as found on p. 17. - Device:
No instructions are given for the submitter's previous device.
The field could be described as per-pale inverted, but the given
blazon gives a more accurate description of the emblazon given.
Note: Crescent cites RfS 8.2.b.v "Elements equally divided in three
tinctures must have good contrast between two of their parts" and
8.2.a.iii "Good contrast exists between an element equally divided of a
color and a metal and any other element as long as identifiability is
maintained."
NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Dun Or, Barony of
Ciar ní uí Mhaoildeirg (New name and device)
Per chevron throughout argent and vert, a stag statant at gaze
argent
- Name:
"Ciar" is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire p. 51.
"ni ui" means "daughter of a descendent of", and is
formed per "Talan-Gwynnek" Feminine patronymics p. 51.
"Mhaoilderig" is found in MacLysaght p 225 under "Ó
Mulderrig" and is undated. - Device:
Note: Crescent notes "Enright" Papworth p. 59, Vert a
hart statant at gaze argent. He does not feel this person is important
enough to protect.
Older versions of the armorial show "Earl of Morris" 1/73
Checky per saltire sable and gules, a hart trippant argent. Later
armorials do not appear to have this entry, the current blazon Lozengy
sable and gules a hart rampant argent registered 9/97.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Doria Tecla (New Name (Change))
- Name:
"Doria" may be found in de Felice-Nomi pg. 131, where the
author claims that it is of medieval origin (from "d'oro", "of
gold"). "Tecla" is an unmarked matronymic, and the name is
found in de Felice-Nomi pg. 341. Fucilla: Our Italian Surnames, pgs
18, 19 asserts,
"Although the bulk of personal names are patronymics in that
they are taken from parents or grandparents on the male side of the family,
there is also a very considerable number of metronymics [sic] furnished by
parents or grandparents on the distaff side".
There are several examples of marked metronymics given, and one or two
unmarked ones. Note in particular that of "Alberta" at the bottom
of the page, which later was turned into a "false patronymic" of
"Alberto". Others include Pietra, Michelina, Faustina, and
Teresa.
The submitter wishes that her old name of "Thecla Doria of
Andritsaena" be released upon passage of this new name. (Please see the
rear of her name form)
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Morwyn of Bran Ærie (New Name and Device)
Argent, three ravens sable and a bordure vert
- Name:
- "Morwyn" is found in Gruffudd pg. 73, Under "Morwen."
"Bran" is Welsh for "raven". "Ærie" is
from medieval Latin for a raptor nest or stronghold. Her intent is to have
the locative "Raven's Nest". Unfortunately we can not justify the
mixing of Latin and Gaelic within a single phrase. We are returning the name
for linguistic inconsistency.
- Device:
- We found the following, Argent, three roosters sable, beaked and armed
gules, the arms of "Marco Polo", added to the armorial in Dec
'94. We believe this is clear, with one CD for the change from rooster to
raven, and one for the addition of the bordure.
NAME RETURNED FOR LINGUISTIC INCONSISTENCY
DEVICE PENDED FOR LACK OF NAME
Lyondemere, Barony of
Lachlan Erskine of Cromarty (New Name (Change))
- Name:
All three names may be found in Black. "Lachlan" is the
header spelling, found on pg. 410. "Erskine" is the header spelling
on page 246. "Cromarty" is the header spelling on page 186, and
also is recorded as a town in Scotland in Columbia-Lippencott pg. 466. Though
none of the specific spellings shown here are dated in Black, all of the
names existed in period with variant spellings.
The submitter wishes that his former name of "Lachlan Llewelyn"
be released upon registration of this new name.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Naevehjem, Barony of
Cyneburh Æt Suðhamtun (New Name)
- Name:
"Cyneburh" is a femininne Anglo-Saxon name, found in Searle
pg. 154 and dates to 680 AD. "æt" is the Anglo Saxon
preposition for "at". "Suðhamtun" is an Anglo-Saxon
spelling of "Southampton" found in Ekwall pg. 431, dated to 962
A.D.
Please note that the submitter wishes to release her old name of
"Brigit"
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Eochaidh MacPheadarain (New name and device)
Per bend Or and gules, a lymphaid sable and a mermaid affronty
Or
- Name:
- "Eochaidh" is found in Black p. 490, under
"MacEochagain". "MacPheadarain" is found in Black p. 557,
under MacPhedrain. Meaning "Son of little Peter". It is vaguely
referenced to 1349.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Hob Calvin (New Name)
- Name:
- "Hob" is found in Withycombe pg. 254 under "Robert".
"Calvin" is found in Dauzat, p. 80, [undated] as the Latin form of
"Cauvin," the family name of Jean Cauvin (John Calvin) the
reformer. [1509-64]
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Nordwache, Barony of
Seanach an tSeanachaidhe (New name and device (change))
Sable, between the horns of a crescent argent two stag's attires
Or
- Name:
Registered as Seanach Ó hAoadha 11/97.
"Seanach" is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire p.
164, under "Senach" early Irish name.
"tSeanachaidhe" is Gaelic for "The Storyteller".
From the LoAR 4/93:
"The occupational byname [Seanachaidhe] uses incorrect
grammar: the article "na" is the female genitive form, it should be
the masculine nominative form "an". It should also prefix a T to
nouns beginning with S + a vowel, so the correct form should be "an
tSeanachaidhe." - Device:
We cite "Sir Thomas Belsham" Sable, a crescent
argent. Papworth p. 594.
We do not consider this an important enough person to protect.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Southron Gaard, Barony of
Beatrice Caterina Fontanella (Device resubmission kingdom)
Per saltire argent and azure, an estoile within a bordure
counterchanged
- Name:
- Registered by Laurel 7/96
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Starkhafn, Barony of
Starkhafn, Barony of (New Badge)
Or, a rabbit salient armed with a stag's attire sable
- Badge:
There is not a CD between a "jackalope" and a
"rabbit" by Da'ud, LoAR 5/92, pg. 24, as denoted in his precedents,
Vol.2, pg. 48.
We have a conflict with SCA armory of "Ellyn Dawndelyon d'Azay",
Or, a coney rampant to sinister sable.
BADGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
Siobhán Faolscatha (New device)
Per saltire gules and sable, two swords throughout in saltire between
four Celtic crosses in cross bases to center argent
- Name:
- approved at kingdom 6/99
- Device:
- The swords are not completely throughout, however, Crescent considers the
difference to be negligible and they are certainly not what a competent
artist would render from two swords crossed. He also notes that the
reproduction of the blazons is smudged, but not sufficiently to confuse the
issue.
APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Wintermist, Shire of
Katrín Brjánsdóttir (New Name)
- Name:
- Both names come from GeirrBassi. "Katrín" is found on
page 12. "Brjánsdóttir" is the patronymic for
"Brjánn" and may be found on page 9.
NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
Postmeeting
Except for putting away files, the meeting ended at about 5 p.m.
In service to Caid.
Madawc Caradoc,
Dolphin
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