Minutes of the May 1999 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Nov 1999 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Future meeting dates are: 6 June, 18 July, 22 August, 12 September, 17 October, 7 November, and 12 December.

We do need to start thinking about the Collegium Heraldry tracks for this fall. Crescent encourages all heralds to consider signing up before he has to strongarm us into submitting (proposals, that is). [According to the scheduler of classes, there will not be a fall Collegium. Prepare your classes for the next Spring collegium, which will occurr in central Caid--Dolphin]

Trident vehemently thanks all of those who helped out at the Heraldic Symposium. Crescent thanks Trident for his efforts as event steward.

Aurum suggests that we send a card to the Kingdom of the Outlands to express our sadness over the death of their king, HRM Otis. It was also suggested that we make a quilt square (?).

Heatherwyne anniversary is coming up, and Jeanne-Marie invites those interested to see her to set up crash space.

We note that November 17 is a Wednesday, that November 14 is GWW III, and November 21 is Queen's Champion, so Crescent must change the proposed date to one which doesn't conflict with these dates. Crescent notes that his calendar shows the November meeting on the 7th. Crescent also entreats any noble who wishes to volunteer as the War herald to please see him or Aurum.

al-Sahid, Shire of

Katherine nic Canna (New Device)

Argent, in pale a domestic cat couchant gardant gules and a rose azure, barbed, slipped and leaved vert, seeded argent.

Name:

Registered by Laurel April 1996

Device:

This device conflicts with the SCA armory owned by "Alyanora of Vinca", Argent, a periwinkle (Vinca minor) proper.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Altavia, Barony of

Robindra of the Isles (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A sun azure eclipsed barry of eight argent and azure.

Name:

Registered July 1989

Badge:

Crescent cites "Ansteorra, Kingdom Of", 4/81, [Tinctureless] A mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouts. As this is a sun eclipsed, there is a CD for the tertiary of the implied roundel.

Conflict called against "Solveig Throndardottir" 10/92, East, [Fieldless] A sun azure eclipsed argent. While the number of the barry is insignificant for conflict, the submitter desires the count, so we are including it in the blazon.

RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Angels, Barony of

Bartholomew Marchant of Studley Green (Administrative: Name Release)

Name:

The submitter first registered "Berthold Leverenz", via The East in 1995.

In January of 1998, he submitted "Bartholomew Marchant of Studley Green". The intent at that time was to change his name from "Berthold Leverenz". Caid's College misunderstood his intentions and registered "Bartholemew ..." as a new name. He wishes at this time to officially release the first name, "Berthold Leverenz", and that his armory (Sable, a boar rampant contourny checky Or and vert.) be transferred to his current name of "Bartholomew Marchant of Studley Green".

RELEASE APPROVED AND FORWARDED TO LAUREL

Elayne MacKay (New Name)

Name:

"Elayne" is documented by "Talan-Feminine", dated to 1296. "MacKay" is found in "Black", pg. 522. Variants of this name date to the 13th C.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Honorée la Charmante (New Name)

Name:

"Honorée" is a French name, the feminine form of "Honoré" and is found in "Withycombe", pg. 154 under "Honor". Variants date to the 12th - 14th C. "harmante" is the feminine adjective form of "charmant", "the charming" from Cassell's Compact French Dictionary, pg. 65.

ACTION?

Jehanne Borgen (New name, new device)

Per pale argent and sable two domestic cats sejant respectant within a bordure counterchanged

Name:

Submitted as "Jehenne Borgen". "Jehanne" changed to reflect submitter's desire for a feminine form. Submitter's surname is "Borgen", but no documentation was provided. We can't document the requested spelling, so we are returning it to her to allow her to provide documentation, or decide between "Borgne" (really "Leborgne"), "Burgen", "Borken", "Börger", or "Borgeln". "Jehanne", dauzat, noms de family, p. 343, under Jean.

Device:

Crescent notes that the cats in the emblazon are langued gules, which is an artistic detail he does not feel necessary to blazon.

NAME RETURNED FOR DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE PENDED FOR NAME

Jordana Aveline i'Ancre de la Haye Belouze of Erroll (New name)

Per bend purpure and vert, a bend between eight fleurs-de-lys Or

Name:

Submitted as "Jordana Aveline i'Ancre de la Haye Belouze of Erroll. Changed because of presumption. "Jordana", submitter claims MNA, and provides a copy of her driver's license to document. "Aveline", dauzat, noms de Famille, p. 18, under "Avelaine". Withycombe, p. 113, under "Evelina", common in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. "i'Ancre". It is not clear that l'ancre would be an acceptable epithet as it appears to mean "the anchor." "Haye" "Belouze"

The submitter's documentation for de la Haye-Belouze appears plausible, as does their documentation of Erroll. However, the combination appears presumptuous.

The submitter does not allow major changes. Returned for presumption against the Hays of Erroll. Crescent also questions the pattern of the name, being Given, Surname, Epithet, Locative.

Device:

The device is returned for redraw, specific for color. The use of the quasi-metallic gold causes the device to be muddy and difficult to read. Using a somewhat lighter shade of green and a more vivid yellow for the gold would resolve the problem.

NAME RETURNED FOR RFS VI.1. NAMES CLAIMING RANK
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Michael Patrick Morgan (Device resubmission, Kingdom)

Per bend sinister embattled argent and azure, a rapier bendwise inverted counterchanged,overall a heart per bend sinister embattled gules and argent.

Name:

submitted on Caidan LoI of 03/16/99

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Calafia, Barony of

Calafia, Barony of (New Order name: Order of the Serpent's Fang)

Name:

"Serpent" dates to the 14th century in the "OED", pg. 2738. "Fang" dates to the 16th century in the "OED", pg. 960. While Crescent is doubtful of the period usage of this name formation, he notes that it follows the pattern of previously registered names belonging to this territory (e.g. "Serpent's Talon, Serpent's Flame").

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ariana Irene De Caro (New Name)

Name:

"Ariana" is found in "DeFeliceNomi", pg. 74 under "Ariano". "Irene" is found in "DeFeliceNomi", pg. 214. "De Caro" is found in "DeFeliceCognomi", page 94 under "Caro".

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Elspeth Avelyn de Lacy (New Name)

Name:

"Elspeth" is found in "Withycombe", pg. 100 as a Scottish variant of "Elizabeth" which dates to Biblical times. "Avelyn" is found in "Withycombe", pg. 113 under "Evelina" and dates to 1379. "de Lacy" is found in "Reaney", pg 269 under "Lacy"and dates to the 11th century.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Guy Rand Gallandon (New name)

Name:

"Guy" is found in "Withycombe", pg. 143, and dates back to the Norman conquest in England. "Rand" is found in "Reaney", pg. 371 and dates to 1275. "Gallandon" is found undated in "Dauzat", pg. 275 under "Galland". We note that it appears to come from the diminutive form of "Galland".

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Madeleine Ashbury (New name)

Name:

"Madeleine" may be found in "Dauzat", page 403. "Ashbury" is found in "Reaney", pg. 15, under "Ashbery", and in "Ekwall", pg. 14. No attested dates are given for this spelling.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Patrick of Avebury (Device resubmission Laurel)

[Fieldless] On a compass star elongated to base sable a crux ansata Or

Device:

Crescent cites "Astra Christinia Benedict" 6/82, [Tinctureless] On a mullet a cross crosslet. Once CD for fieldless, one for the mullet to compass rose. "Eliahu Ben Itzhak" 12/92, Or, on a mullet of six points sable, a griffin segreant contourny Or.

RETURNED FOR CONFLICT WITH ELIAHU BEN ITZHAK

Tadhg o'Murchadha the Wanderer (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A harp reversed sable.

Badge:

We note that the strings should be bendwise sinister (attaching to the soundbox) in order to get sound from the harp. We note that his registered arms are drawn correctly.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

St. Isidore, College of (Calafia)

Andre de la Mer (Device resubmission Laurel)

Quarterly vert and azure a seahorse and a bordure Or.

Name:

Registered by laurel 5/98

Device:

The device was returned at that time because:

The seahorse as drawn is not in a blazonable position. The upper (horse) part of the boy appears to be the default erect, but the lower (fish) part of the body is essentially naiant. It needs be in a standard heraldic position.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Darach, Shire of

Ismay of Giggleswick (New device)

Gules, two squirrels sejant erect respectant vair en point maintaining in chief a nut Or

Name:

submitted on Caidan LoI of 03/16/99

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Basil von Köln (New badges (2))

[Fieldless] A bell argent

[Fieldless] A cross clechy sable shrouded argent

Device:

Versus "Dorothy of Caer-Myrddin", 1/73, Argent, a cross paty sable and Papworth, "Sir Thomas Banaster" "KG", Argent, a cross clechy sable. Crescent feels that the shrouding is a significant visual addition to the design, and therefore worthy of being a CD. Crescent also cites "Darya Kazakova" 10/96, [Fieldless] A cross of four ermine spots conjoined sable. As this will be the defining instance of this charge in the Society, documentation that it is a period charge or artifact is required. As we are not able to find a veiled reference at this time, the badge is being returned for documentation.

[Fieldless] A bell argent APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
[Fieldless] A cross clechy sable shrouded argent RETURNED FOR DOCUMENTATION

Blóð-Úlfr inn Berserki (Name resubmission Laurel)

Name:

Change of holding name from "John Norris of Dreiburgen" registered by Laurel 9/96. Submitter will not accept any changes.

"Blóð-Úlfr". Note to the submitter: in Old Norse, there is almost always a reference to parentage in the name. "Lindorm", on the SCA-Heralds mailing list, cites the following: "Thorkell Rekkr i/ Lni" (="Thorkell (the) Warrior in Lund") and "Ulfr Litli a/ Lundi" (="Ulfr Little in Lund") from Danish coins dated to 1065-75. Also "O, zurr landhirdhir Kuggis sonr" (="O,zurr Estate-Steward, Kuggir's son") and "Gunna thann go/dha Gyrdhar arfa" (="Gunni the good, Gyrdhr's heir") from two Danish runestones. The first is dated to the "post-jellinge" period and the second to 1050-1150. My source is Rundata, a PC based database of Scandinavian runic inscriptions from Uppsala University. It's the inscriptions with signa DR M104, DR M116, DR 134 & DR 365 respectively.

"inn Berserki", submitted as "Berserkr", changed for construction.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Constantia Maria von Köln (New Name and device)

Sable, a sun in its spendor Or between three sunbursts in pall, rays to center Or issuant from clouds argent.

Name:

We have found"Constantia" under "Constance" in "Withycombe", pg 72. Several other sources date this spelling to early period in Germany, including an article by Talan Gwynek titled "German Given Names 1200-1250", a compilation of names from "Arnsburger Personennamen" by Roland Mulch. "Maria" may be found under "Mary" in "Withycombe", pg. 212 and dates to 1203. "von Köln" is a locative referring to being from Cologne. This may be found on page 431 in the CLG. There is a 9th century church on the site, and the name itself is dated to 1248. Note that "Köln" is the German spelling of this city.

Device:

We note the existence of Sable, a sun or in mundane heraldry, but do not believe it is significant enough to conflict. We recommend that the submitter clearly draw all of the sunbursts as issuant from the corners. The first OR is probably unnecessary in the blazon, but in order to reduce confusion with the sunbursts Crescent is explicitly blazoning the tinctures to reduce confusion. The college may, of course, reblazon it as they see fit.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Deirdre inghean Cananaich of Skye (New name and device)

Per chevron argent and vert, two thistles crossed in saltier inverted proper and an hourglass argent framed Or

Note: The discussion of the name is irrelevant as the College mis-read the form and researched "Deirdre ingean Cavanaigh of Skye." The submission is supposed to be "Deirdre inghean Cananaich of Skye." Dolphin is returning the submission to be considered at the June meeting.

Name:

"Deirdre", Ó Corráin and Maguire p. 71, under "Derdriu". Also referencing Concerning the Name Deirdre, Arval Benicoeur, 1997. "Skye", Placenames of Scotland, Johnstone p. 296, dated to 1292 as "Skey", under "Skye".

Eilidh Og (New name and device)

Argent, on a bend cotised azure three dogwood blossoms palewise argent

Name:

"Eilidh" is found in Morgan, Peader and Whyte, Donald, pg.22 under "Aileen". Neither date the name but indicate that it is a commonly used diminutive. "Og" is found in Focloir Gaelige-Bearla, Ó Dónaill, Niall, pg. 921 and in modern Gaelic means "young", supporting the submitter's intended meaning of "the younger". Apparently in period the meaning also meant "the virgin", etymologically related to our "egg" and we will inform the submitter of this.

Device:

The device conflicts with the SCA armory Argent, on a bend cotised azure, a lily palewise Or between two others argent. (Rowan le Beau)

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Gregory de Savel (New Name)

Name:

Submitted as "Gregory de Saville" "Gregory" is found in "Withycombe", pg. 139, dated to the Norman Conquest. "Savel" is a family name in France, found in "Dauzat", pg. 543 and is undated. We have changed the submitter's spelling to preserve the pronunciation as per his wishes, keeping the name to Norman-French origin and not Spanish.

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Luther Anshelm (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A dog passant Or collared gules sustaining in its mouth a flagstaff flying a banner of the Cross of St. George

Badge:

We had a difficult time deciding upon a blazon for this badge. As a form of display indicating English usage, this would clearly be acceptable. This form of display of a national cross is well established historically and does not appear to be a form of pretense when the armory display falls into a limited group of national badges. In this case the flag is clearly of a form used by the English people to indicate that nationality. However, acceptability as a form of display does not necessarily indicate registerability. This display of armory does not appear to indicate arms of pretense (since it parallels a historical display of nationality) and thus is not clearly unacceptable under RFS XI.4. We are therefore forwarding it for discussion by the College and ruling by Laurel.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Morgan Athenry (New badge)

[Fieldless] A cross flory pierced of a lozenge within and conjoined to an annulet Or

Badge:

The submitter needs to draw this to clearly show the cross more readably pierced of the lozenge - the arms need to come together at right angles and be of equal width throughout. Or it can be drawn as a lozenge with points that erupt into fleur-de-lys. The current emblazon, while a very pretty piece of art, can not be blazoned in such a way as to ensure its reproducibility as required by RfS VII.7.b.

RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Cormac MacSeamuis (Device resubmission Kingdom)

Or, a Greek Helm vert and on a chief enarched azure five mullets of four points Or.

Name:

Registered by laurel 9/97

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Darius von Tannenberg (New name and device)

Argent, five piles inverted in point throughout gules overall a cross clechy fitchy sable

Name:

"Darius", Lamprière, p. 193, under Darius. Dauzat, Noms p. 176. "Tannenberg", CLG p. 1875, site of battle in 1410. Talon says,

"There is evidence of the name Darius being found in France before the 11th Century, however [he] does not believe that this is good justification for a later German name."

He goes on to say,

"Brechenmacher actually has an entry for "Darius" as a surname, but it turns out that this is a corruption of surnames derived from "Dorius", a shortened form of "Isidorius".

He mentions "Tilse Darys" 1467; it wouldn't greatly surprise me if "Darys" could be justified as a forename as well; I'd be inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. "Darius", on the other hand, deems likelier to be a modern reinterpretation of the name."

Device:

Crescent cites Papworth, "Sir Thomas Banaster", "KG", Argent, a cross patty pointed sable. Crescent does not consider Sir Thomas important enough to protect, we are merely noting the point that it does exist.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Astrid Thorkelsdottir (Name Change)

Name:

Registered as "Arianrwydd of the Mists", March 1992 via the Outlands.

"Astrid" is found in "Withycombe", page 34. "Thorkelsdottir" is a patronymic, using "Thorkel" and "dottir" (daughter) are both found in GierrBassi, pg. 17, and the name is constructed according to the rules outlined in "Old Norse Name. We have found a couple of SCA names that are close in pronunciation but we believe this name is sufficiently different from all of them -- "Astridr Thorgeirsdottir" and "Astrid Thorvardsdatter". If this name is approved by Laurel, the submitter requests that she might keep her previous name as an alternate persona name.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sarah Kilpatrick (Name change)

Name:

Registered as "Sarah Winterbourne", July 1992 via Caid.

The submitter is changing her surname to match that of her husband. "Sarah" is grand-fathered to her, but may be found in "Withycombe", pg. 263 and has been popular since Biblical times. "Kilpatrick" is grand-fathered to her husband, "Sean Anthony Kilpatrick", but may be found in "Reaney", pg. 265, dated to 1302.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ursella of Rowantree (Device resubmission Laurel)

Vert, on a bend sable fimbriated, three suns in their splendor palewise Or

Name:

Registered by laurel 7/98

Device:

The returned device, Per saltire, sable and vert, four suns in splendor in cross Or was returned for conflict. This is a new design. Crescent notes "John Peregine of Restormel" 12/97, Azure, on a bend sable fimbriated, three mullets bendwise sinister Or. There is one CD for change to the field, and one CD for change of the type of the tertiary group. [RfS X.4.j.ii]

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Heatherwyne, Shire of

Jeanne Marie Lacroix (New badge)

[Fieldless] A unicorn's head couped sable.

Name:

Registered by laurel 11/98

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Isles, Shire of

Angus le Todde Mac Donnell (New Name and Device)

Per bend sinister engrailed argent and azure, three sprigs of three cherries proper and a comet bendwise sinister inverted argent

Name:

"Angus" is from "Withycombe", pg. 25, the anglicization of the 9th century saint. "le Todde" means "the fox" and is found in "Reaney", pg. 449 under "Tod", dated in the submitted spelling to 1275. "Mac Donnell" is found in "Reaney", pg. 291, under "Mac Donald".

Device:

Crescent recommends that the submitter make the engrailing much more defined. He also notes that the depiction of the comet is one of many variants found in period.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angus le Todde mac Donnell (New Badge)

Per bend sinister engrailed argent and azure, a sprig of three cherries overall proper.

Badge:

Crescent chooses to regard the central charge as being a single sprig of three cherries, and therefore to be acceptable on the neutral field, rather than three individual cherries conjoined, in which case there might be an issue with those cherries lying on the azure parts of the field. We recognize that this is a judgement call on Crescent's part, and are forwarding it to the College for comment.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sciath ingen Cuain (Name Change)

From Sciath Nichuanachtaigh of Clan MacRath, registered by laurel 7/94.

Name:

"Sciath" is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire p. 162. "Cuán", Ó Corráin and Maguire p. 65. Submitter recognizes that "Chuain" is the correct modern lenition. However, the "h" of "Chuan" was dropped for temporal compatibility. (She wishes an old Irish name.)

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Naevehjem, Barony of

Peter of Dun Calma (New Badge)

Per pale embattled gules Or

Name:

Registered by laurel 9/85

APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Starkhafn, Barony of

Siwan ferch Rhys ap Hywel (Name resubmission Kingdom, Device, release Kingdom pend)

Per fess argent and sable, a sprig of three holly leaves vert fructed gules and a daisy Or eyed sable

Name:

"Siwan", "Rhys", and "Hywel" are all found dated in Gryffudd, on pages 86 (13th C), 83 (1170 a.d.), and 58 (1197 a.d.) respectively.

Device:

This device was originally submitted in March 1999. It was pended due to lack of name. The submitter has now submitted a new name and we are releasing the pend.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

Except for putting away files, the meeting ended at about 5 p.m. Scribed by Christopher Thomas and Thomas Brownwell. In service to Caid.

Madawc ap Caradoc, Dolphin

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