Minutes of the 11 October 1998 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Mar 1999 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

This Chapter started at 11:13 on the 11th day of the month, being the day of Saint Gomer

The PE tests are in the process of being rewritten, thanks to "Seraph" aka Nicolette. The previous tests were "write for your life" -- 3 hours being considered excessive; Crescent is hoping to fix this aspect. The senior heralds are discussing revamping the structure of the college, so there is a possible problem with publishing the test and then having to republish it a few months later. These tests are diagnostics; they are not pass-fail. They assist the college in determining your skill level. Crescent wants to have the CoH rank structure more closely follow period practice.

A new version of the handbook is being put together. Please see Chevron if you want to write something for it. The decision point is soon, so do this now. We need to either republish the first edition or print the second soon. We're almost out of copies. If you have an idea for something, Chevron will ask you to try writing a draft. That doesn't mean it won't be edited, and there is no promise of publication. However, it is always a good exercise. Ideas are always welcome; if needed we might be able to find someone else to write it. (Being willing to write a draft increases the chances of it being included.)

Thanks to the heralds who volunteered at Crown Tourney. There were 20+ volunteers, and some were being turned away. (Not counting senior heralds.) Many thanks to all! When Queen's Champion comes around in November, help will be again much needed.

The Ministry of Children's office is putting a book together. If you have articles, they would be appreciated.

The September Laurel meeting considered Caid's May LoI; the results of which were discussed.

The next Kingdom Heraldry meetings are 8 NOV, 6 DEC, 24 JAN, 21 FEB, and 21 MAR.

Assuming his submission of this month passes, it is correct (and preferred) to address His Highness as al-Caid al-Tomüki, and after his coronation, as Ya-Malik al-Tomüki. To refer to him after his coronation (as opposed to addressing him), al-Malik al-Tomüki is the preferred form. Her Highness will continue to use the European (Latin) form, and will use the regnal name Luciana Regina.

Submissions Considered

1. Alix MacAlpine

2. Ricohard Bach

3. Wolfgang Neuschel der Grau Gules, on a lozenge within a bordure Or, a sackbut sable

4. Ælfwyn Wodende

5. Goldwyn of Britain; [Fieldless] A horse rampant contourny Or sustaining in its forehooves a baker's peel ermine

6. 'Abd al-Hakim ibn 'Abd al-Rahman Shaddad al-Tomüki

7. Ainéislis Mac Lachlainn

8. Diego Vincente Segovia

9. Joia de Tarleton

10. Cristina Da Napoli

11. Elwyn Raney

12. Patrick of Avebury Per chevron throughout sable and argent, on a compass star overall counterchanged a crux ansata Or

13. Patrick of Avebury; [Fieldless] On a compass star sable a crux anasata argent

14. Morgan the Fellwalker Per fess wavy sable and barry-wavy argent and azure, a mermaid erect to dexter torso armored argent tailed vert maintaining a crossbow proper bowed and stringed argent

15. Christall Gordon Or, a rapier sable piercing a sprig of three holly leaves fructed proper

16. Christall Gordon: Aggregation of Kith Azure, a dove volant wings elevated and addorsed argent sustaining in its beak a ladle palewise Or

17. Jane Godwin

18. Antonio Polo

19. Líadan Caille Purpure, on a pile argent between in chief two crescents inverted Or, a deer's massacre gules

20. Eleanor Hazleberie Ermine, on a bend azure, three eagle's heads bendwise sinister erased argent

21. Eleanor Hazleberie; [Fieldless] On a tower azure an eagle's head erased argent

22. Shimazu Kinuko Ayame Argent, a bend wavy between two carp urinant azure

23. Shimazu Kinuko Ayame Azure, a carp urinant argent and in base three escallops in fess Or

Unknown

1. Alix MacAlpine (New Primary Name)

Name:

Alix is a Norman variant of Alice found in (Withycombe, E. G.; (1977)), o)).15. MacAlpine is found in (Black, George Fraser; (1949)) on page 451.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

2. Ricohard Bach (New Name)

Name:

Ricohard is found in (Withycombe, E. G.; (1977)), p.253 under Richard. Bach is a common German surname, dated to at least 1555 by the Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians. While this name is similar to that of Richard Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull), we do not feel that this author's name is important enough to warrant protection.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

3. Wolfgang Neuschel der Grau (New Primary Name and Armory)

Gules, on a lozenge within a bordure Or, a sackbut sable

Name:

Wolfgang is found in (Bahlow, Hans; (1993)), page 621 where the Bishop of Regensburg is mentioned who died in 994 (noted as not being common in the middle ages). The Bishop Wolfgang of Regensburg is also mentioned in (Farmer, David H.; (1987)) on page 444. The submitter provided documentation from The New Grove Dictionary of Music and Musicians page 156 for the name Neuschel, the name of a family of instrument makers in Nuremberg. Neuschel is also found under Nuschke in (Bahlow, Hans; (1993)) page 388, dated to 1370 in this spelling. Der Grau comes from the German, meaning the gray. We considered the issue of pretention and decided that the family was not important enough to warrant protection. In addition we found no evidence that there was anyone in that family with the prenom Wolfgang.

Device:

This device conflicts with Gules, on a lozenge Or a pomme within a bordure Or Anastasia von Ansbach, Dec, '83. The submitted device has one CD for change of type and tincture of tertiary charge.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Altavia, Barony of

4. Ælfwyn Wodende (New Name Change)

Name:

The submitter's current name, Affelin of Wodende was registered January 1995. If this new submission is registered, the old one is to be retained as an alternate name. Her original name was submitted as Aeflin of Wodende. When Laurel registered Affelin of Wodende, she appealed the decision with a submission of Ælflin Wodende which was subsequently returned by Laurel in October 1995.

We have found Æflwyn in (Searle, William George; (1969)), p.29, dated 878. Wodende is dated to 1316 in this spelling by (Ekwall, Eilbert; (1960)), page 531, under Woodend. Note that the submitt er explicitly permits changes to the forms Ælflande Wodende or Ælflaed Wodende. Retaining the Æ at the beginning of the given name is important to her. She wishes to drop the particle of found in her currently registered name.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

5. Goldwyn of Britain (Resub (Laurel) Badge)

[Fieldless] A horse rampant contourny Or sustaining in its forehooves a baker's peel ermine

Badge:

Crescent refuses to blazon this as A steed rampant to sinister maintaining an ermine peel.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angels, Barony of

6. 'Abd al-Hakim ibn 'Abd al-Rahman Shaddad al-Tomüki (Resub Name)

Name:

The submitter's name is currently registered as Mahmoud al-Taifi, which is to be released on registration of this name. This is a resubmission of the name 'Abd al-Rahman 'Abd al-Hakim Tumanbay al-Tomüki, which was returned by Crescent in August 1998. This name contains one laqab, an epithet based on a laquab, a given name(ism), and a locative (nisba). These elements are documented in the article "Arabic Names and Naming Practices" by Shaik Da'ud ibn Auda in the Midrealm Symposium Proceedings of 1993, vol. 2 pp.23-26.

In particular, Shaik Da'ud notes that laqabs of the form 'Abd [epithet of Allah], "servant of [epithet of allah]", are quite common and cites 'Abdullah, "servant of God", 'Abd ls-Aziz, "servant of the Powerful", and 'Abd al-Rahman, "servant of the Merciful". The latter is specifically described in the article as "one of the best names in the sight of Allah". The first laqab is also of this style and uses one of the epithets of Allah documented in the article "The One Hundred Most Beautiful Names of God" by Mustapha al-Muhaddith ibn al-Saqaat, in the Caidan Symposium Proceedings of 1989, pp.111-113. He cites both Rahmaan "The Merciful" and Hakim "The Wise" or "the Judge". The submitter intends the laqabs to mean "servant of the Just (or servant of Justice), the servant of the Merciful", and Hakim seems closest to his intent. The combination of two laqabs separated by the patronymic particle ibn is found in the Fihrist of al-Nadim, pp.940-941 the names cited are 'Abd al-Rahman ibn 'Abd allah ibn 'Abd al-Hakam, and Abd al-Rahman ibn al-Hakam ibn Hassan al-Asadi.

The given name or ism is Shaddad, found in "Arabic Names and Naming Practices," op.cit., p.29.

The nisba is based on the town of Tomük (Modern name Elvanli), in Turkey. It's cited in the Times Atlas of the World, Seventh Comprehensive Edition, p.204. Shaik Da'ud found this for us (many thanks!), and also stated that the Turkish placename could have been used in Arabic naming conventions. Thus "the man from Tomük would be al-Tomüki

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

7. Ainéislis Mac Lachlainn (New Name)

Name:

Ainéislis is found in (Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981)), p.20.

MacLachlainn is found under MacLachlan in (Black, George Fraser; (1949)), p.533.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

8. Diego Vincente Segovia (New Name)

Name:

Diego is found in Spanish and Mexican Given Names by S. Pollack, p.21.

Vincente is found in (Farmer, David H.; (1987)), p.425 under Vincent Ferrer, dated to 1350. Segovia is a city in old Castille found in (Seltzer, L. E.; (1952)), p.1727, dated to 1087.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Calafia, Barony of

9. Joia de Tarleton (new name)

Name:

Joia Withycombe p. 182, under Joy, Dated to 1199. de Tarleton Reaney and Wilson p. 440. Dated to 1332.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

10. Cristina Da Napoli (new name)

Name:

Submitted as Cristina Di Napoli. Cristina Dizionario dei Cognomi Italiani p. 110, under Cristini. Napoli CLG p. 1284, under Napoli.

Decision not recorded. Presume approved? [Note: It was registered on the 3/99 LoAR, so it seems this was a correct assumption.][

11. Elwyn Raney (new name)

Name:

Elwyn Reaney and Wilson P. 9, under Alwin, used as a first name, dated to1200s. Raney Reaney and Wilson P. 370. Under Rainey, Dated to 1200s.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

12. Patrick of Avebury (new name and device)

Per chevron throughout sable and argent, on a compass star overall counterchanged a crux ansata Or

Name:

Patrick, Withycombe p. 239, under Patrick. Common in North of England from the 12th Century. Avebury CLG p. 127, under Avebury, Village and Parrish of N. Central Wiltshire has a Saxon and Norman Church.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

13. Patrick of Avebury (new badge)

[Fieldless] On a compass star sable a crux anasata argent

Badge:

Crescent notes that while the drawing is elongated to base, it doesn't appear to be "long enough" to be blazoned. He cites Anstiora Tinctureless, a mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouttes apr. '81. Crescent says this is not in conflict per RFS 4.iii. The rules are clear and match precedent.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

14. Morgan the Fellwalker (new name and device)

Per fess wavy sable and barry-wavy argent and azure, a mermaid erect to dexter torso armored argent tailed vert maintaining a crossbow proper bowed and stringed argent

Name:

Morgan, (Morgan, T. J., and Prys Morgan; (1985)) p. 168 under Morgan. The name became Morgan in the med. period. Also, (Withycombe, E. G.; (1977)) p. 222, under Morgan. Fellwalker is the submitter's legal last name. Submitter checked no changes.

Device:

The crossbow is not identiafiable across the field. According to Precedents during the tenure of Bruce Draconarius, p. 26, "While artistic details are not as strictly bound by the Rule of Tincture as are primary charges, this submission still does not permit ready identification of all its charges." In this case, the brown stalk of the crossbow is unidentifiable against the sable field. Recommendation to the submitter is that the crossbow be changed to argent.

Other potential problems Crescent notes Colin of Duntamknackan Tinctureless, a merman, bow in dexter, an arrow in sinister hand, tail raised to sinister, Aug, '79, and would request a visual check against this device, if it were passed in this form. He also cites Kriemhild Walther Azure, a mermaid erect to dexter sustaining in her dexter hand a spear argent. He feels this is not in conflict.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONTRAST PROBLEM

15. Christall Gordon (new device)

Or, a rapier sable piercing a sprig of three holly leaves fructed proper

Device:

This conflicts with Kathryn Lavender of Lesbos Or, a lavender plant in bloom stalked and leaved proper surmounted by a sword sable registerd May, '83.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

16. Christall Gordon; Aggregation of Kith (New household name and badge)

Azure, a dove volant wings elevated and addorsed argent sustaining in its beak a ladle palewise Or

Household Name:

Aggregation, in the sense of a concrete assemblage, is dated to 1547 (in the spelling aggregacions. The spelling aggregation is dated to 1638, specifically in the quotation ...the Church being nothing else than an aggregation of Believers...., which also demonstrates (in the grey area) the use of the term to refer to a group of people.((Oxford University, editor; (1971)) Vol. A, p. 46, supra aggregation) Crescent also notes that the Society of Friends is dated to 1648 in (Oxford University, editor; (1971)) vol 2, p. 2382. Kith is dated c. 1000 in (Oxford University, editor; (1971)) Vol. A, p. 719. Crescent is dubious about the overall effect of this name. However, since the component pieces appear to be period, and an approximation of the overall construction is dated to the grey area, he gives the submitters the benefit of the doubt, and is forwarding this for comment.

Device:

Note to artist: Please don't color the bowl of the ladle in. A dove has special heraldic characteristics that must be shown. NOTE TO DOLPHIN include description of heraldic dove characteristics. Submitter was called and the emblazon was fixed to show a dove. Crescent cites Nyilas Kazmer Azure, a goose volant wings elevated and adorsed issuant from base a demi-sun Or Mid, '90.

HOUSEHOLD NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL, WITH RESERVATIONS

17. Jane Godwin (new household name?)

Household Name:

Conflicts with John ap Griffin household name Griffin Freehold Mar '78.

HOUSEHOLD NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Isles, Shire of

18. Antonio Polo (New Name)

Name:

Antonio is found in (De Felice, Emidio; (1978)), p.70, dated to 1231. Polo is an Italian variant of St. Paul, op.cit., p.187-8, under Pàoli.

NOT RECORDED!! [Note: Must have been approved and forwarded, as it was registered on the 3/99 LoAR]

19. Líadan Caille (new name and device)

Purpure, on a pile argent between in chief two crescents inverted Or, a deer's massacre gules

Name:

Líadan Submitted as Liadan. (Ó Corráin, D. and F. Maguire; (1981)) Personal Names, p. 122, under Liadan. Caille OCM p. 127, under Mac Caille.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

20. Eleanor Hazleberie (new primary name and device)

Ermine, on a bend azure, three eagle's heads bendwise sinister erased argent

Name:

Eleanor Withycombe p. 96, under Eleanonr(a). Eleanor of Castile, d. 1290, wife of Edward I; a common spelling of the given name from the 12th through 15thC. Hazleberie Ekwall a constructed place name using Hazelmere (as Hazle mere) p. 228 and p. 366 Pilesberie under Pilsbury, "Pil's Burg."

Device:

Note to artist the Eagle's heads should have a tuft. NOTE TO DOLPHIN include description of heraldic eagle. Crescent cites Le Viste, Patron of the Unicorn Tapistries Gules, on a bend azure three crescents argent important non-SCA arms. He also cites Westonstone Ermine, on a bend azure three lion's heads erased.... Papworth p. 247. Not considered important enough to protect.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

21. Eleanor Hazleberie (new badge)

[Fieldless] On a tower azure an eagle's head erased argent

Badge:

Note to artist See note above.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

22. Shimazu Kinuko Ayame (new name and device)

Argent, a bend wavy between two carp urinant azure

Name:

Administrative note. The forms were not properly filled out. "society name" should be the new primary name. If the submitter is submitting an alternate name, the alternate name goes in the "name being submitted" and the primary name goes in the Society Name field.

The name elements can be found in O'Neill's Japanese Names

Shimazu. Listed as both a surname and masculine given name on p. 300;

Kinuko. Listed as a feminine given name on p. 243.

Ayame. Listed as a feminine given name on p. 198. However, this is an indication that the name may be modern. According to Solveig Throndardottir, Name Construction in Mediaeval Japan- p. 376 lists "Kinu" (1600; Silk) under Historical Feminine Names beginning with "Ki", but not "Kinuko". As to the suffix "-ko", on p. 195, Solveig states, "This ("-ko" = child) is one of the characters commonly found at the end of the names of high ranking women. It was originally attached to the names of men and was later attached to the names of women. It appears to be an honouric suffix similar to princess (hime)." Thus, the element "Kinuko" seems quite plausible. p. 373 has "Ayame" (dated 793 and 1332) under Historical Feminine Names. "Shimazu" is listed on p. 325 as a Historical Surname, dated to 1332. As to the actual name construction, Lady Solveig, p. 4, in her discussion of "What is a Japanese Name?" gives a masculine order as surname - yobina - nanori. The yobina was/is a name used informally whereas the nanori was the formal, "official" name. She says that females had surname - nanori where the nanori was a simplified one character name with a rank suffix, such as "-ko" or "lady" ("-ko" being a quasi-titular suffix common in the Kamakura period (ca. 1332)). Thus, "Kinuko" resembles a nanori. Ladies did have yobina-either a simplified form of their nanori or a modified masculine yobina. Females apparently did not use distinctly different yobinas and nanoris as did their aristocratic male counterparts. Consequently, a name like Shimazu Kinuko would be quite appropriate for a Japanese lady in the Kamakura period. We are not certain about Shimazu Kinuko Ayame (or Shimazu Ayame Kinuko, either, though the -ko suffix would appear to be appropriate for a feminine nanori). However, it will probably be registrable

Device:

Note to artist Please draw the edges (outline) the carp to make them a coherent whole.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

23. Shimazu Kinuko Ayame (new badge)

Azure, a carp urinant argent and in base three escallops in fess Or

Badge:

Note to artist Please draw the edges (outline) the carp to make them a coherent whole.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

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