Minutes of the 16 November 1997 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the March 1998 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

The November chapter of the Caidan College of Heralds took place on the 16th day of the month, and was called to order at 11:10-ish.

Announcements: Next month is the annual Caidan herald's Christmas party. Bring your tabard for the Family photo. Bring a gift if you wish to participate in the exchange.

Martin has donated a copy of Foster's Book of Arms - many thanks.

Battlement Pursuivant is going to start a series of articles in the Crown Prints on the various local awards throughout Caid. Please contact him concerning your local area's awards.

Aurum is holding a contest. She would like to see people design a piece of Armory or a Name that is creative, shows a pun, etc. Please submit them at the December meeting. These will be included in the April Fools submission. Have fun! Prizes to be announced.

Crescent comments that Mistress Eowyn is writing an article on Caidan heraldic display customs.

Chevron asks Crescent to look into LoAR letters to clients, from complaints that members of the populace have not received them in a timely manner.

Not identified as to territory at the time of writing

Alix de Beaumont (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A rose purpure barbed and seeded proper

Name:

Registered April 1997

Badge:

Two conflicts were found. Alyanora of Vinca's arms (2/75) Argent a periwinkle proper and Elspeth of Harilow's badge (4/85) [Fieldless] A heartsease proper. The former has one CD for change of field, and the latter is a direct conflict.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Artusio Joscelinus (New Name and Device)

Per chevron purpure and sable, a wolf rampant contourny between three triskeles argent

Name:

Artusio is found in De Felice (Nomi), page 78 under Arturo. The submitter prefers that if the given name must be Latinized, we give him the version Artusius found in De Felice (Cognomi) page 62. Joscelinus may be found in Morlet, page 107. We believe that the two names are compatible, as Arthur is of Celtic origin, and Joscelin is Gaulish.

Device:

The submitter will be informed to draw the line of division slightly higher.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dietmar Reinhart von Straubing (New Device)

Or, a cross moline azure between four seeblatts, points to center, vert

Name:

Registered May 1994

Device:

We have agreed to process this submission without charge, and remind Laurel of her personal communication to the submitter wherein she agreed to the same.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Donnell ap Enyon (New Name)

Name:

Donnell is found in Morgan and Morgan, page 88, under Dyfnwal. Enyon is found in Morgan and Morgan, page 92, under Einion, dated to 1538 in this spelling.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Garrett O'Doherty (New Name)

Name:

Garrett is found in Withycombe, page 131. O'Doherty is found in MacLysaght (Surnames), page 84.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Muirenn Dorcha (New Name and Device)

Per chevron sable and Or, three harps counterchanged

Name:

Muirenn is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, page 141. Dorcha is found in MacLysaght (Surnames), page 88, under (O) Dorohy. The submitter is present and knows that the last name will probably need to be aspirated. There is a close SCA name, Muirenn Dubh, registered 4/94 in Calontir. This is clear of the new submission because of a complete change of pronunciation, despite the similarity of meaning.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Piaras Mac Cana (New Name)

Name:

Piaras is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, page 152. Mac Cana is the early Gaelic form in MacLysaght (Surnames), page 36, under Mac Cann.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Thomas the Potter (New Name, Device and Badge)

Device: Per bend sinister rayonny sable masoned argent and gules masoned argent, a dragon's head couped at the shoulder, and a wine amphora argent

Badge: [Fieldless] A wine amphora within and conjoined to an annulet argent

Name:

Thomas dates to 1100 in York, from Withycombe, page 279-280. Potter, in this spelling, dates to 1100 in the Compact OED, page 1194, with the meaning of a maker of pots. We also found Thomas le Potter, dated 1263, in Fransson (Middle English Surnames of Occupation), page 184. In this text, we could not specifically find the use of the English definite article the, but believe that this anglicization is plausible.

Device:

There is a precedent of Da'ud (page 26 from 1991) under Lines of Partition, wherein a device was returned for the unidentifiability of the line of division because of poor contrast. His comment indicates that the colors gules and purpure should not be used together with a complex line of division. In an effort to justify the complex line of division, we have found the arms of Harssyke, Per bend indented Sable and Gules, found in Chesshyre and Woodcock's Dictionary of British Arms, Medieval Ordinary, Vol. One, page 319. We note that it would be preferable to draw the head of the dragon as couped flat rather than scooped, and will inform the submitter of such.

Badge:

We note that this is clear of the submission of Julien de Montfort, [Fieldless] An amphora argent, pending on the 24 August 1997 Atlantian Letter of Intent. There is a CD for the fieldlessness and a CD for the addition of the annulet. We also believe this is clear of the arms of the Meridien Order of the Argent Shield, [Fieldless] An escutcheon within and conjoined to an annulet argent, as an amphora is visually clearly different from an escutcheon.

NAME, DEVICE AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

al-Sahid, Shire of

Xantha Ekaterina Glinskaya (New Badge)

Per pale Or and purpure, a double-headed eagle counterchanged

Name:

Registered November 1994

Device:

We have found the arms Per pale vert and Or, a double-eagle counterchanged, belonging to Stefan der Strassinrauber (Jan '73) and note that it does not conflict.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Altavia, Barony of

Cristal Fleur Delamere (New Name)

Name:

Cristal from Dauzat (noms de famillie), p. 162. Fleur, p. 258. We were unable to document the submitters original name, del la Mer, so we are correcting it to Delamere [Dauzat (noms de famillie), p. 415, under Mare], since the submitter allows this.

NAME APPROVED AS MODIFIED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sven Orfhendur: House Vixen's Lair (New Household Name)

Name:

Personal name registered by Laurel 9/94. Vixen is found in OED, p. 272 of volume V, "Vixen as a female fox dates to 1410." Lair Compact OED, p. 1560, meaning "a place for animals to lie down in" dated to 1513. Ekwall, p. 186, cites "foxhole" dated to 1254, as a place in England meaning "foxes' burrow." This shows that the meaning Vixen's Lair is a period concept for place names and therefore for household names.

HOUSEHOLD NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Angels, Barony of

Eric von Drachenholz (Device Resub)

Per chevron, argent and sable, two dragons segreant coward adorsed gules and a tower argent masoned sable

Name:

Registered by Laurel 9/96

Device:

Originally returned for conflict. Submitted with a letter of permission to conflict from Thomas Blackkeep.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Raphaela of Bere Glen (New Name)

Name:

Withycombe documents the use of some men's names, including some that are apparently of Hebrew origins, with a documentary form created with suffix a while the name itself was aparently used by women in its unchanged masculine form. See pages xxvii and xxviii. Withycombe, in her entry on Raphael, shows no examples of such use with this name. We note that Dunkling and Gosling, in their entry for Raphael, assert the use of Raphala. De Felice (Nomi) gives examples of Raffaela as an alternate spelling of Raffaele and also Rafaela. In terms of the by-name the submitter is attempting to combine an English spelling of Bere found in Reaney and Wilson, p. 264, with a Cornish spelling of Glyn. While this spelling of Glyn appears in English post-period, we have been unable to document it in period in this spelling. We are therefore changing the spelling of the final word to a documented English spelling in period.

Submitted as Raphaela of Bere Glyn, changed to Raphaela of Bere Glen. Ekwall, p. 38, cites Bere as old English for Barley and among the citations is Bere Forest, which supports the formation of Bere Glen. Ekwall, p. 198, cites Glen to 1365.

NAME APPROVED AS MODIFIED AND SENT TO LAUREL

San Ambrogio, College of (Angels)

Uilleam òg Mac Dhòmhnuill (Name Resub, New Device)

Vert, a bend embattled between a lymphad and a cross formy fitchy argent

Name:

Name was originally submitted as Uilliam Mac Dhòmhnuill 3/97, returned for conflict. Uilliam: Ó Corráin and Maguire, p. 175. Mac Dhòmhnuill: Black, p. 486. òg: MacLennan, p.249. We cite Rules for Submission, VI.3 'Names claiming specific relationships'. Returned for conflict with Uilleam Mac Dhòmhnuill under rule VI.3. Suggestion is to change the name to something that unambiguiously does not claim relationship. Possibility includes adding a locative.

Device:

No conflict found at this time. Suggestion to artist is to make both the lympad and cross larger. You can make the bend narrower to allow space.

NAME RETURNED FOR CONFLICT
DEVICE PENDED FOR LACK OF NAME

Calafia, Barony of

Christopher Thomas (New Device)

Argent, a flat cap purpure plumed and on a chief azure three commedia del'Arte masks argent

Name:

Christopher Thomas Registered by Laurel 9/94. Please release Laurus Mercator.

Device:

Submitter requests that his old device, registered under the name Laurus Mercator, Argent, seme of laurel leaves bendwise sinister inverted vert, a leather moneybag proper and a chief triangular azure bezanty, (An Tir, '87) be retained as a badge. The Commedia del'Arte mask was deemed an acceptable charge in the registration of Gino di Palcoscenico.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LARUEL

Geoffrey de Steele (New Name and Device)

Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bend sinister between a compass star and a patriarchial cross counterchanged

Name:

Geoffrey, Withycombe, p. 128, "was common in England from the 12th to 15th C." The particle de is often used with a place name, c.f. John de York, 1324, Reaney and Wilson, p. 508. Steele: Ekwall, p. 441, cites Steel as a placename -- spelled "Stele" in 1269 -- and notes that it may be synonymous with 'stile', from the OE 'stigol'. Ekwall says that '"Steel" is a regular development of OE "stigol" in many dialects', and indeed the OED cites 'steele' as a variant spelling of 'stile' dated 1601 (v. 'stile'). Based on all this, we believe Steele is an acceptable form.

Device:

We note that the bend sinister and the cross need to be drawn thicker -- more boldly.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

William Wood of Kirkcaldy (Name and Device Resub)

Or, a fir tree sable surmounted by a carpenter's square, point to base gules, a bordure sable

Name:

Formerly submitted as William the Woodwright. William Wood found in Webster's Biographical Dictionary, p. 1594, 1671-1730. Wood: from Black, p. 822. Kirkcaldy: Black, p. 405, a town in Fife, John of Kirkcaldy, 1531. William: from Withycombe, pp. 293-294.

Device:

Pended 10/97 under William the Woodwright.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Darach, Shire of

Emrys FitzRainold de Venoix (Device Resub)

Per fess rayonny azure and gules, three vanneaux Or

Name:

Passed Laurel 6/97

Device:

Previous device, Per fess rayonny argent ermined azure and gules a vanneau Or was withdrawn 10/19/97. Precedent of Master Da'ud ibn Auda, June 1990-June 1991, p. 26, regarding complex lines of divison on a two-color field may apply, but we feel that the example of West c. 1470, Quarterly indented azure and gules, a bend argent shows that a complex line may be used for a field parted azure and gules.

The charges are winnowing fans, which we blazoned as vanneaux (or vannots) to preserve the cant.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Dreiburgen, Barony of

Ceara nic Fhaolain (New Device)

Argent, an arrow gules between two horses' heads couped addorsed sable

Name:

Registered by Laurel 12/96

Device:

Please coup the heads cleanly.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Mons Draconis, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Canton of Mons Draconis (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A dragon's tail couped vert

Name:

Canton name registered by Laurel 6/97

Device:

[Notes to Artist on the form says "All details on wyvern's tail are gules."] We cite the precedent of Bruce Draonarius of Mistholm, p. 77, dated August, 1992, that dragon's tails must be drawn in a period manner and that period dragons did not have flukes at the end of their tails.

{Dolphin: No mention of what the action was on this one -- thumbs up or thumbs down; sounds like thumbs down... jotl}

Christina Ebenstein (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A Phoenix azure, rising from flames proper

Name:

Registered December 1986

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gyldenholt, Barony of

Ghislaine d'Auxerre (Release of Alternate Name, Transfer of Badge)

[Fieldless] A fox rampant to sinister sable marked argent estencelé

Name:

Raisa Sofronievna Chernookovna

ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION FORWARDED TO LAUREL

James Andrew MacAllister (New Badge)

[Fieldless] A cross crosslet fitchy quarterly vert and argent

Name:

Registered March 1989

Badge:

James requests that his badge Vert, an oak tree and in chief five goutes in chevron Or, be released upon Laurel's approval of this new badge.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Nordwache, Barony of

Irina Tolochkova (Name and Device Resub)

Per chevron throughout rayony Or and sable two fireballs gules and a phoenix Or

Name:

Irina: Tumanova, pg. 25, under Irinarkh. Tolochkova is a patronymic (daughter of) from Tolochko, a masculine given name. Thanet, p. 243. Tolochkov is a patronymic (son of) dated to 1506. We are forming the feminine patronymic by using the rules found on p. xviii.

{Note to Dolphin: Irina is also listed in Thanet, p. 86, as a feminine given name meaning "peace" and dated to 866. (I'd ditch the Tumanova ref.)}

Device:

Please draw the fireballs bigger.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ronald the Restless (Device Resub)

Sable, a stag's head cabossed argent and a base argent masoned sable

Name:

Registered in West, Sept. 90

Device:

Second consideration of this device, as it was returned for "no name" previously.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Southron Gaard, Barony of

Beatrice Caterina Fontanella (Device Resub)

Per pale argent and azure, an estoile within a bordure counterchanged

Name:

Name registered by Laurel 4/91

Device:

Conflict with Per pale argent and azure, a mullet of four greater and twelve lesser points between in bend two tankards within a bordure counterchanged. Hays of Border Vale Keep, 7/87.

Per Rules for Submissions, X.4.f which states "Significantly changing the number of charges in any group placed directly on the field or overall is one clear difference." Crescent suggests swapping the colors, azure and argent, instead of argent and azure.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT

Starkhafn, Barony of

Aldgytha of Ashwood (Device Resub)

Per saltire gules and sable, four roses argent barbed and seeded proper

Name:

Name approved and sent to Laurel September 1997

Device:

Submitter will be notified that the per saltire line of division should emanate from the corners.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Postmeeting

The meeting was called to a close at x:00 p.m. Minutes were typed by Thomas Brownwell and xxxx, edited by Moucheture, then further mangled by

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