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Minutes of the 14 July 1996 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Dec 1996 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

The regular monthly chapter of the Caidan College of Heralds took place on 14 July 1996. In attendance were: Agnes of Ilford, Albyn Buckthorne, Christopher Leyland D'Eyncourt, Damien of Baden, Elisabeth Scott of Berwick, Ghislaine d'Auxerre, Griffin Crosthwait, Kelan McBride of Arainn, Lizabeth Scott, Manus le Dragonier, Marie Elaine de Womwell, Morgan O'Daire, Murieadbach OhEidneachain, Nicolette Caramelle Avelaine, Nigel the Byzantine, and Tonwen ferch Gruffyd Aur.

The LoARs received since the last meeting were briefly discussed.

Florigelium: Gules, an ogre proper, on a chief a semy of trefoils vert is the corrected blazon for Crimson, and clover over an ogre.


Calafia, Barony of

Brianna Je Nell Aislynn of Blue Shadows (New badge)

Per pale azure and Or, two eagle-winged wyverns combattant, a bordure counterchanged

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Sept. '90
Badge:
See below.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Brianna Je Nell Aislynn of Blue Shadows (New badge)

Per pale Or and azure, two eagle-winged wyverns combattant, a bordure counterchanged

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Sept. '90
Badge:

The eagle-winged wyverns are based on her device,Pean, a mullet of four greater and four lesser wavy points Or surmounted by an eagle-winged wyvern passant to sinister azure, registered by Laurel on or before July '82 (the Caidan College of Heralds letter of approval is dated then, but it did not give the date of the Laurel Letter of Acceptances and Returns (LoAR), and the Armorial does not show a date). Considering their similarity to cockatrices we did check and did not find any conflicts with them.

We consider this badge clear of the question of marshalling by RfS XI.3.b; while the charges are not identical, the effect of the two combattant charges does not give the impression of marshalled arms.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Randwulf de la Terre d'Ete (new badge)

Per pale gules and argent, two wolves combattant within a bordure counterchanged.

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Sept. '90
Badge:

This is essentially identical to the submitter's own device except he has reversed the tinctures. This provides the two CD's that are required to clear any conflict. Not that the submitter really needs it as he presumably gives himself permission.

We consider this badge clear of the question of marshalling by RfS XI.3.b; while the charges are not identical, the effect of the two combattant charges does not give the impression of marshalled arms; this is further confirmed by the similar design motif in his (registered) arms.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Carreg Wen, Shire of

Collette Vitraria (Resub [Caid] name, Resub [Caid] device)

Per pale azure and Or, a vol inverted counterchanged, dependent there from a hawk's lure argent.

Name:

The submitter's previous name submission was returned twice by kingdom (10/94 and 8/95), both for lack of documentation. The submitter has changed the name to one that is more easily documented.

"Collette" is found in [Withycombe, 1977] on p. 70 under the heading of "Colette". This spelling is dated to 1379.

"Vitraria" is based on the Latin "Vitrearius" meaning "glass worker", found in Lewis and Short, Harper's Latin Dictionary: A New Latin Dictionary founded on the Translation of Freund's Latin-German Lexicon (New York: American Book Company, unk.) (photocopies provided by Baron Bruce Draconarius). The base word appears to be "vitrar-", and the submitter declined it to account for her gender.

Device:

The submitter's device was previously returned at the kingdom meeting of 8/95 for lack of a name.

The position and conjoining of the wings produced considerable discussion at the meeting. The conjoining of a pair of wings appears reasonably common in heraldry, but there is some disagreement among modern authors on distinctions of blazon (compare the discussion in [Parker, 1970, page 622] with [Brooke-Little, 1973b], entries "vol" and "wing"; Brooke-Little, 1973a, page 77]; and [Fox-Davies, 1976]. We understand the SCA to blazon two wings conjoined in lure with their tips up a vol (combining the English default position with the French blazon), and two wings conjoined in lure with their tips down simply as two wings conjoined in lure.

Given this apparent default, what we have here is reasonably clearly a vol inverted; that is to say a (well drawn) vol which has been completely inverted.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Darach, Shire of

Vivian of Silverlake (New name, New device)

Per bend vert and Or, a drop spindle threaded argent and a dog's head contourney in trian aspect proper.

Name:

"Vivian" is dated to 1544 under this spelling in [Withycombe, 1977, pp. 290-1].

The submitter originally had "Silver Lake", but we could not find a period example of 'silver' + 'locative' where the locative is a separate word. The submitter cites the examples of "Silverdale" (1382) and "Silverton" from [Ekwall, 1960, p. 423] as examples of 'silver-locative'; the former appears to actually be based on the color silver, while the latter seems to have a different origin.

Device:
We are returning this for the trian aspect drawing of the dog, plus the drawing is ambiguous enough (some present thought that it was a fox) that the breed is unidentifiable. We will also advise the submitter to draw the spindle and its thread much larger.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE.


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Ceara nic Foalán (New name)

Name:
"Ceara" is found on p. 50 of [Ó Corrain and Maguire, 1981] under the heading "Cera: Ceara" meaning "red". "Foalán" is found on p. 92 of [Ó Corrain and Maguire, 1981] under the heading of "Fáelán: Foalán" meaning "wolf".

NAME IS APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Collegium Sancti Geronimi (New group name) (Dreiburgen)

Name:

This is a name for a new college in the Barony of Dreiburgen (U.C. Riverside). "Collegium" is Latin for "college" in the nominative case. "Sanctus" is Latin for "Saint" in the genitive case so it modifies the noun "Geronimus" which is found on p. 175 of [Withycombe, 1977] dated with this spelling to 1219, as a latinization of "Jerome".

A petition of support is included.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Elizabeth Scott of Berwick (reblazon of a registered device)

Argent, a rose bendwise sable, slipped and leaved vert, between two bendlets gules.

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Sept. '89
Device:
Currently the submitter's device is registered as Argent, a "garden" rose bendwise sable, slipped and leaved vert, between two bendlets gules. She wishes to omit 'garden' and we cite Master Da'ud's precedent set in the LoAR dated Nov. 29, 1994. We support this change and forward it to Laurel.

REBLAZON FORWARDED TO LAUREL.


Drachenfeld, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Roderick Stannard (New name, New device)

Argent, three panthers rampant guardant sable, spotted argent, incensed proper, a dexter gore gules.

Name:

"Roderick" is undated under this spelling on [Withycombe, 1977, p. 255]. "Rodericus" and "Rodric" can be found on [Searle, 1969, pp. 402-3].

"Stannard" is dated to 1095 under this spelling on [Reaney, 1976, p. 331].

Device:
No conflicts found. ("Very pretty depiction!" says Crescent.) We have blazoned the spots argent because the default for panther's spots is a 'semy of roundels', usually multicolored. The flames of the panther as drawn have non-contiguous bits of red and yellow which is consistent with the depictions found e.g. on pages 118 and 128-129 of [Bedingfeld and Gwynn-Jones, 1993]. One emblazon of a panther that we found (on the cover of [Woodcock and Robinson, 1988]) has alternating red and yellow tongues of flame (as per Master Da'ud's recent ruling concerning flames of fire). Given the period or near period examples of flames cited above, these appear to be acceptable.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Taran MacAngus (New name)

Name:

"Taran" is the name of a Pictish king "expelled in 997" according to [Black, 1946, pg. 762].

"MacAngus" is the name under which "Makangus" can be dated to 1492 on [Black, 1946, p. 453]. We consider "MacAngus" to be a reasonable variant and cite as examples (on the same page) "MacAndro" (1550) and "MacAnecol" (1285).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Steinsee, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

William de Rouen (New name and New device)

Per pale argent and Or, a cross crosslet fitchy gules elongated to chief and base and in bend a key reversed and a tower sable.

Name:

"William" is found under this spelling on [Withycombe, 1977, pp. 293-4].

"Rouen" is the capital of Haute Normandie (Upper Normandy) which (among other events) is the location of the abbey church "where Joan of Arc was sentenced to death" ([Munro, 1988, p. 548]).

Device:
We are returning this for redraw because the cross crosslet is throughout palewise, but not so fesswise (which is why we blazoned it 'partially'), and the secondaries are drawn much too small. We have few alternatives which will include the secondaries in a more balanced style.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW.


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Ghislaine d'Auxerre (Resub [Laurel] device (appeal))

(Fieldless) a fox sable marked argent rampant contourney ravishing a goose argent.

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Apr. '92
Badge:
The badge was returned by Laurel in Apr. '96 for conflict with Or, a wolf salient to sinister sable maintaining a rose gules barbed and seeded proper (SCA-Conrad Stronghand, ? '80). We discussed possible ways the submitter might strengthen her arguments, and the submitter withdrew this submission.

BADGE WITHDRAWN AT SUBMITTER'S REQUEST.

James Wyvern (Resub [Caid] device)

Azure, a chevron between three estoiles Or.

Name:
Approved and sent to Laurel in June '96
Device:

His submission of June '96,Gules, a chevron between three estoiles Or, was returned for conflict. Unfortunately his current submission is also in conflict withAzure, a chevron and in base a compass star Or(SCA-Geoffrey Scott, Aug. '95).

We will advise the submitter that all of the charges should be rendered larger.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT.

Sabina Melisenda von Katzenschloss (New name, New device)

Per chevron purpure and vert, a chevron between two mullets and a garb Or.

Name:

"Sabina" is dated to 1199 and is also noted as a name of a saint from Rome under "Sabin(a)" [Withycombe, 1977, p. 260]. A German form could be "Sabine", but we are not changing it to this form as the Latin version might be found in Germany in period.

"Melisenda" is the name of the daughter of Charlemagne under "Millicent" on [Withycombe, 1977, p. 220].

"Katzenschloss" is constructed from "katzen" meaning 'cats' and "schloss" meaning 'castle'. We note [Bahlow, 1965, page 253], showing "Katz(bach)" and several variants, and the castle "Katzenellenbogen", apparently either the name of the castle in Katzenelnbogen (found under the latter on [Seltzer, 1952, p. 921], which we have found to mean [curiously] 'cat's elbow'), or the name of the family owning the castle. [Bahlow, 1972, page 274] also notes several "Katz" based surnames. Based on these examples, the name appears acceptable as a coined place name.

Device:
No conflicts found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Naevehjem, Barony of

Giulietta Cifala (New device)

Purpure, a fan between three humming birds Or.

Name:
Registered June 1995
Device:
We reccommend to the submitter that the hummingbirds be drawn larger so they can be more visible; no conflicts found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Giulietta Cifala (New badge)

(Fieldless) on a fan Or a humming bird purpure.

Name:
Registered June 1995
Badge:
No conflicts found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

William Tinker (New badge)

(Fieldless) a bull rampant guardant contourney argent.

Name:
Registered by Laurel in Oct. '94
Device:
No conflicts found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Nordwache, Barony of

Charles Wellingham (New device)

Per pale dancetty argent and azure, a Latin cross bottony and a lightning bolt bendwise sinister counterchanged.

Name:
On Caid's 24 March 1996 Letter of Intent (LoI)
Device:
It would be best for the submitter to draw the cross larger and the lightning bolt thicker so they can be better seen across the field. Also, the lightning bolt is drawn improperly. The submitter has the charge with the shaft dovetailed and we only have documentation for a simple embattling. While we could accept the size of the charges (though encouraging their enlargement), the combination of the form of the lightning bolt with the difficulties in size requires either a redraw or additional documentation.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW OF THUNDERBOLT.

Leximus Taurus (Resub [Caid] device)

Sable, a triangle throughout between three columns argent

Name:
Registered by Laurel, Apr. '96
Device:

His submission of Dec. '95, Sable, a triangle throughout between three columns argent, overall a fess counterchanged, was returned by Laurel in Apr. '96 for style (obstrusively modern and confusion of elements).

We are returning for the same reasons that Laurel cited in the Apr. '96 LoAR. The submitter can remove these objections by NOT drawing the triangle throughout (and thus smaller) and drawing the columns larger.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE


Southron Gaard, Barony of

Beatrice Caterina Fontanella (New device change)

Azure, on a bend argent three empty yarn quills palewise azure.

Name:
Registered 9104
Device:

The submitter's previous device, Purpure, semy of hawk's bells Or, a ferret passant argent, was registered by Laurel at the same time as her name.

The present submission was found to be in conflict with the armsAzure, on a bend argent a unicorn's head palewise couped sable between two cinquefoils purpurebelonging to Andrea de Champs de Batailles (11/79). There is only one CD for any number of changes you can do to a group of tertiaries.

Also, while a threaded embroider's quill is clearly a period charge and the unthreaded quill is probably period, the only examples we could find of an unthreaded quill [Bromley and Child, 1960, p. 31] is dramatically different to that of the submitter's. Further documentation of the exact form of the charges would be welcome.

Separately, there were multiple citations of individuals bearingAzure, a bend argent, but none of them appeared to be famous enough to call conflict against.

DEVICE CHANGE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT.

Alexandra de Santiago (New name)

Name:

"Alexandra" is found on p. 14 of [Withycombe, 1977] under the heading of the same name. It is the feminine form of "Alexander" and is found in this exact spelling dated to 1205. "Alexandra" is found in [Pollock, 1940, page 3] as a "derivative" name, with a "j" replacing the "x".

"Santiago" is found in [Seltzer, 1952] as the name of a town in Northwest Spain dated as early as the 11th century.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.

Ulfrikr Bjornssen (New name, New device)

Vert, on a plate a wolf 's head erased sable

Name:

The submitter originally wished "Ulfrikr" "the Ravenous" "Bjornssen", but we have dropped the byname because we could not directly translate "The Ravenous" into Old Norse. The closest word we could find was "hungraðr" which is an adjectival form of "hungry" (out of [Zoëga, 1910, p. 215]). The submitter indicated that he wished "Ulfrikr Bjornssen" if the byname could not be documented.

"Ulfríkr" is constructed from "ulf" (meaning "wolf") and "ríkr" (meaning "mighty/powerful"), both of which appear in Old Norse. As examples of this construction we cite [Haraldsson, 1977]. There are many 'ulf' + 'deuoterotheme' on p. 15 (Úlfkell, Úlfljótr, Úlfnaðr, Úlfvarinn), and at least one example of prototheme + 'ríkr' on p. 7 (Aðalrikr). We have also dated "Wulfric" to circa 1000 (in [Searle, 1969, p. 584]).

We understand "Bjornssen" to be a late (and Eastern) form of "son of Bjorn"; this would appear to be supported by [Jansson, 1967, Hafte 2, col 318], which notes "Biorns" as one of the attested genitive forms of "Biorn". The ON would appear to be "Bjarnarson".

Device:
We consider this clear of Per bend sinister azure and purpure, on a plate a cat's face sable (SCA, Camille of Brymstone College, Aug. '93) because of the change from feline head to canine head and the change from affronty to profile as in RfS X.4.j.1 and 2 (inclusive).

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Wintermist, Shire of

Madawc Seumas Caradawg_alternate persona name "Harald Nameslayer" (New badge, New name (for alternate persona))

Vert, a straight trumpet fracted in chevron Or.

Name:

The submitter's name, "Madawc Seumus Caradawg", was registered by Laurel in 8/89.

"Harald" is found on [Withycombe, 1977, page 146].

Badge:
See action.

PENDED UNTIL THE SUBMITTER CAN BE PRESENT TO BE CONFRONTED UH ... CONSULTED WITH AT THE NEXT HERALDRY MEETING.


Notes

The minutes of this chapter were massaged by James of the Lake after the usual suspects typed them and before Crescent futher mangled them.

In Service to Caid

Eiríkr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson
Crescent Principal Herald


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