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Minutes of the 10 September 1995 Meeting

[Note: These submissions appear on the Feb 1996 LoAR]

Notes and Announcements

Present Were: Albyn Buckthorne; Tonwen; Christopher; Hrorek Halfdane of Faulconwood; Madawc; Manus; Morgan Kildarby; Gautier L'Angelier; Selene; Wilhelm RFL; Marie Elaine de Wombwell; Damien of Baden; Jasper; Ghislaine; Kelan; Dietmar Reinhart; Elizabetta della Mirasndola; Miguel Esteban Franco de Los Rios; Rick Dechance of San Ambrogio; Eirikr Mjoksiglandi Sigurðarson; Basil von Koln; Hector of Steinsee; Catrin ferch Dafydd.

Caitrin welcomes back Jasper who had been away for a while.

Reminder: $10 per submission now.

Crown in Lyondemere. Catrin asked all to please come to herald and consult.

Festival of the Rose will take place on 10/28.

Caitrin asked that everyone who has to should begin preparing Domesday reports NOW. No reports will be accepted late, and warrants will be pulled.

Coronation in Starkhafn in October. Catrin asked that all should get in court business and presentations early as possible. No late or last minute additions.

Next College dates are 10/1, 11/12, 12/3. The first will be signing and sealing for Coronation; the last will be Christmas party and moving to the College to the new Crescent's place (see next).

Catrin asked for resumés for new Crescent. She will stepping down at 12th Night, 1996 (Jan. 13), and will accept resumés until the end of November, after which she will decide on the next Crescent by the Christmas party/meeting.

Kelan recommended getting reservations for rooms for Coronation ASAP. James of the Lake advised us that the last of the rooms which were reserved for Caid close to the site already have been taken. Unfortunately there will be a major boxing event this weekend so rooms may be scarce.

Kelan asked about putting together a new Roll of Arms for Caid. Catrin asked for volunteers.

Hrorek relayed some comments from a newcomer herald who was not very happy with the conduct of the College last month. Too many "experts," too loud, too much irrelevance, not enough taught. Catrin asked for the College to quiet down and reserve snarky comments.

For those territorial heralds who wish to have their pictures taken and included in the color pictures of the December Minutes, start working on your territorial tabard if your territory doesn't already have one. If it does, bring it to the December Meeting/Christmas Party/Moving Party. If you are from an area that is too far out to attend the December meeting, then have a picture taken of you in your Territorial tabard and mail it to Catrin, so she can include it in the December minutes.


al-Sahid, Shire of

Ealasaid an Cathasach (New Name and Device)

Azure, on a bend wavy gules fimbriated between a lion salient gardant contourney Or and a unicorn salient argent three fleurs-de-lis palewise Or.

Name:

Ealasaid- Elizabeth in Scottish Gaelic; The Clans and Tartans of Scotland by Robert Bain; page 301

an Cathasach- "the vigilant in war" or "brave" (koh-as-ach) Irish Names by O'Corrain page 47

Device:
Returned for artistic reasons the wavy is not waved enough and the bend is improperly drawn. The unicorn has a harness that looks like it might be a coronet.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE

Gabriel Shadewehauke (Resub Laurel/Device)

Vert, on a cross bottony issuant from base Or, a hawk stooping sable.

Name:
Registered by Laurel June 1995
Device:
This is a resubmission of a device returned in June of 1995 by Laurel because the hawk was proper. The submitter has changed the hawk to Sable.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Murtaugh the Galloglas, For Clan Mac Murtaugh (New Household Name and Badge)

Gules, a boar passant to sinister Or.

Name:
The submitter's name-- Murtaugh the Galloglas was registered by Laurel in April 1995. The Clan Murtagh is found on MacLysaght, page 231, as an Irish surname in Leinster and Ulster.
Device:
Gules a boar passant to sinister Or is clear of Gules a boar passant Or, Baird, Auchmedden of Scotland--Papworth page 58. under the Modest Proposal.

HOUSEHOLD NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Angels, Barony of

Valentina Isabella D'oro Serpente (New Name and Device)

Sable, on a pile purpure between two serpents addorsed Or , a cross patty fitchy sable fimbriated Or.

Name:

Valentina- Italian, is a form of Valente found on page 348 of De Felice-Nomi under Valente.

Isabella- Italian, De Felice, Nomi; page 215,

D'oro- golden

Serpente- serpent. We believe the grammar to be incorrect, but feel uncomfortable making the change from d'oro Serpente to dello Serpente d'Oro

Device:
The Device is being returned for color on color (the purple pile on the sable field). The cross patty fichy is of borderline complexity for fimbriating. We recomend the submitter avoid the fimbriation-- which, unless she changes the tincture of the cross, will run afoul of color on color again. We also must return the device for lack of name.

NAME RETURNED FOR INCORRECT GRAMMAR
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE AND LACK OF NAME.


Darach, Shire of

Bryan Laurence Griffith (New name and device)

Per bend sinister azure and sable a griffin passant between three sets of three annulets interlaced, a bordure argent.

Name:

Bryan is cited as a form of Brian, which Withycombe writes as being "from early times...a favorite in Ireland...." (pp. 53-4 under Brian).

Laurence is dated to 1273 (Hundred Rolls) under this spelling on pp. 191-2 of Withycombe.

Griffith is dated to 1308 under Gruffudd, etc. on pg. 102 of Morgan & Morgan

Device:
no conflicts found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Iam Robert MacCallum (New name and device)

Pily bendy sinister sable and argent, in sinister chief a roundel barry wavy gules and sable.

Name:

We could not find Iam. We will suggest that the submitter might use Ian, Liam, or Iain. The first is preferred because it is the Anglicized form which would match the remainder of his name.

Robert is dated to 1071 under this spelling on pg. 255 of

Withycombe.MacCallum is dated to 1659 under this spelling on pg. 463 of Black. While the entry for MacCallum in Black does not have any dates in period, it is within our grey area.

Device:

we are returning the submission because the roundel is technically color on color.

We could not find period examples of the use of pily bendy, so we are uncertain if it is an acceptable field division (although it is found in modern heraldic dictionaries). We did not find any SCA conflicts.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE AND LACK OF NAME

Jaida Badr al-Din (New Name and Device)

Sable, on a pile between two kris knives argent, an estoile sable

Name:

Jaida is found in - Arabic Naming Practices by Da'ud ibn Auda in the Known World Heraldic Symposium Proceedings of 1993 page 33.

Badr al-Din- is an epithet that the submitter claims means: Full Moon of the Faith;it is found in Muslim Names by Fatima Suzan al-Ja'fari, page 31. The Caid College is sending this on, because we do not have the sources to figure out whether this name is acceptable.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Renya of Ravenglass (New name and device)

Vert, a horse salient argent, a dexter point rayonny and in chief to sinister six estoiles "in the pattern of the constellation Pegasus" Or.

Name:

Renya cannot be found among the resources we have. We suggest that she might use Reniée, which is found under Régnier on pg. 514 of Dauzat.

Ravenglass is the modern spelling of Ravenglas which is dated to 1297 under the spelling Ravenglass on page 381 of Ekwall.

Device:

The use of constellations is not allowed because they are not period usage. (WvS, LoAR, Feb. 14, 1980).

The horse's position is not rampant (the submitter's intention), but is rather forcené (which is no longer considered separate from salient). We will ask her to redraw the horse so that it is correctly rampant.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR STYLE,REDRAW AND LACK OF NAME

Umberto Lodovico Scolari (New name)

Name:

Umberto is dated to 1189 under this entry on pp. 431-2 in Un Nome al Giorno (from the submitter's documentation).

Lodovico is dated to 1279 under Luidi, Lodovico on pp. 199-201 in Un Nome al Giorno (from the submitter's documentation).

Scolari is cited as the original surname of Pope Clement III (1187-91) on pg. 3531 of the New Century Cyclopedia of Names (from the submitter's documentation).

Catrin noted this submission as a near-perfect example of name documentation. The submitter not only photocopied the relevant sources, but explained which page the names were found on, and outlined the names on the photocopied pages. Each name element was documented using two sources.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Ysolde Eileen de Lorraine (New Name and Device)

Per pale argent and vert, two unicorns salient respectant counterchanged.

Name:

Ysolde- Withycombe page 166 shows the form Isolde. The change from I to Y is acceptable as copatable with period practice as demonstrated by the forms Isolt & Ysolt from the same source. Ysolt is dated to 1201; Isolde is dated to the 15th century.

Eileen- ( Submitter's Mundane name) Withycombe, page 96. Anglicization of the Irish Eibhlin. Eibhlin can be dated to 1271 as the wife of the Earl of Ulster by O;Corrain and Maguire page 84 under Eibhlin.

de Lorraine- of Lorraiine Columbia Lippincott page 1082, Rene the 2nd of Loraine (1477)

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Dreiburgen, Barony of

Jadwige Zerwas von Gdansk (New Name and Device)

Or, a swan naiant, and on a chief sable, three wolves heads erased contourny Or.

Name:

Jadwiga- Polish (jadvign) safety in battle; Jadwiga, Poland's Great Queen by Charlotte King; MacMillan Pub.,1931

Zerwas- This is the submitter's mundane birth name. She provides a photocopy of her birth certificate as documentation.

von Gdansk- Polish, meaning from Gdansk,from the Atlas of Medieval Europe by Donald Matthew from documentation provided by the submitter.

Device:
Conflict- Or a swan naiant on a chief sable three celtic crosses Or (Device- Cherel Wynters, March 94 west)

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR CONFLICT.

Phelan Wolfer of Warrington (Resub Caid/Device)

Sable, a wolf's head erased, on a chief argent, three swans statant close vert.

Name:
Registered by Laurel, August 1995.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Thurstan de Barri (New badge)

(Fieldless) an annulet surmounted by a winged lion-dragon sejant to sinister Or, winged argent.

Name:
registered by Laurel, May 1989
Badge:
This was intended to be a badge for House de Barri, but as it does not have any name form for the household the badge will be registered as a personal badge. No conflicts found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Dragon's Citadel, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Brigit MacPherson (New name change)

Name:

The submitter had previously submitted Ithunn in Spanski, which was passed by the Caidan College of Heralds in August 1995. If this submission is approved, she wishes to keep the older submission as an alternate persona.

The original submission was Brigit Cairney MacPherson, but on advice from the College the submitter (who was present at the meeting) permitted dropping the middle name.

Brigit is name of several saints in Ireland as cited under this spelling on pp. 36-7 of O'C&M.

MacPherson is dated to 1420 under this spelling on pg. 557 of Black.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Broinninn ni Cullane (New Name and Device)

Azure, a celtic cross between three oak trees couped argent.

Name:

Broinninn- is found in O'Corrain & Maguire on page 38.

ni Coileáin- is found in MacLysaght, The Surnames of Ireland; page 51 under the heading of Collins.

Device:
We feel that this does not conflict with Azure, three trees couped argent, Michael van de Bogaart- Jan. 73. Because both are simple armory. RFS X.2 states that "simple armory does not conflict with other simple armory if the type of every primary charge is substantially changed." In this submission the primary charge is the cross and in Michael's the primary charges are the trees.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Daria Angelei Fiore (Resub Caid/ Name)

Name:

Daria- Spanish, Nombres Propios Españoles, page 166; fem. of Dario. Cites a Saint Daria in the 3rd Century.

Angelei- Italian, "Dizionario del Cognomi Italiani" De Felice, 1986, pg. 56

Fiore- Italian, Dizionario del Cognomi Italiani, pg. 171 Spanish and Italiam are culturally compatiable for name construction.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Genheah Grimskona (resub Caid/name and device)

Per chevron argent and sable, two cats sejant guardant respectant and an increscent moon counterchanged.

Name:

The submitter's previous submission, Jenna Wife of Ulvblöd, was returned by the Caidan College of Heralds in August 1995 for lack of documentation and consistency. Please note that second "e" of Genheah should have a macro above it. With the submitter's husband's approval, we have changed the name from Genheah Grimr Kone.

Genheah is constructed from the Anglo-Saxon prototheme Gen- (pg. 255) and the deuterotheme -heah (pg. 282), both from Searle.

Grimskona is constructed from the genitive of Grímr (which is "Grims") and the word kona (pg. 246 of Zoëga), meaning "woman or wife of Grimr" from Old Norse.

We believe that there was sufficient cultural interchange between Anglo-Saxon and Norse cultures to allow this combination.

Device:
a possible conflict with Per chevron argent and sable, two domestic cats sejant guardant addorsed and a decrescent counterchanged (Jocea Anne Gallowglass, SCA, March 1988). While we feel that there is a change in position (guardant to respectant) and a change in charge (decrescent to increscent), but an argument can be made that the latter is only a change in position. Given the controversy, the submitter's husband (who was present at the meeting) has requested that the device be withdrawn for further work.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE WITHDRAWN ON REQUEST

Grímr Blóthúlfr Berserkr (resub Caid/name and device)

Per chevron Or and gules, two wolves combattant and a death's head counterchanged.

Name:

his previous submission, Skallgrim Ulvblöd the Berserker, was returned by the Caidan College of Heralds for the usage of three nicknames.

The original submission was Grimr Ulfblöd inn Berserkr. We have made the following changes all with the submitterts approval:

  • An accent was added to Grimr.
  • The submitter had intended Ulfblöd to mean "wolf's blood," but we could not document any nicknames with similar meanings in the form of "(blank's) blood."
  • inn Berserkr needs to be corrected to either inn Berserki to make the adjective a weak form, or dropping the definite article to give the attested form. The submitter choose the latter.

Grímr is found on pg. 10 of Geirr Bassi.

Blóthúlfr is constructed from the adjective blóth and the noun ulfr. Blóth appears in blóthøx (blood axe, pg. 20); ulfr appears as the second part of the nickname Kveldúlfr (evening wolf, werewolf, pg. 25), both in Geirr Bassi. Please note that in all cases of blóth, the th is our replacement for an edh.

Berserkr is found on pg. 20 of Geirr Bassi.

The submitter interprets the statement on pg. 5 of Geirr Bassi that "[s]ome individuals have more than one nickname, simultaneously or at various times in their lives" as justifying the use of two nicknames. Since the evidence is ambiguous, we are forwarding this to Laurel for further discussion and (hopefully) approval.

Device:
as drawn, the per chevron is somewhat too shallow, but the submitter was at the College meeting and acknowledged this and agreed to draw it more steeply. No conflicts found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Morgan Torrie Kavanagh (Resub Caid/name and device)

Purpure, a winged bear sejant erect argent, winged and maintaining a sword Or, between three plates, each charged with a quatrafoil vert.

Name:

His original Submission: Torrie Morgan MacDarragh, was returned by Caid because we could not document Torrie as anything other than a surname. He has resubmitted, changing the name around.

Morgan,is found in Welsh Surnames, by Morgan and Morgan, page 168 under the heading Morgan. It is also found in Searle as, Morgan Hen c.959 Welsh Prince page 354

Torrie- The submitter claims is Irish,and is found under Torrie as a variant of Terry -- an Anglo-Norman family closely associated with the city and county of Cork from the thirteenth century, in The Surnames of Ireland MacLysaght; page 288

Kavanagh- Irish, The Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght; pg.170

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sophia de Forest (resub Caid/Device)

Quarterly argent and argent seme of fir trees proper, overall a griffin segreant azure maintaining a torch vert enflamed gules.

Name:
On the July Caid LoI
Device:
While there are at least three conflicts from Papworth (Botreaux,-Argent a griffin segreant azure; Aungier- ermine a griffin segreant azure and Largest- Or, a griffin rampant azure. None seem to be of sufficient historical importance to be protected under the Modest Proposal.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL.


Gallavally, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Caitilín Duibheasa Ó Duibhir (resub Caid/name and device)

Per pale sable and purpure, a butterfly, on a chief embattled Or three roses proper.

Name:

her previous submission, Caitlin Carol ui'Dubhuidir, was returned by the Caidan College of Heralds in August 1995 for linguistic inconsistency. On consultation with the submitterts husband, we have changed from Catlin Duvessa O' Duibhir to a pure Gaelic form.

Caitilin is found under Caiter!na on pg. 45 of O'C&M.

Duibheasa is found under Dub Essa under on pg. 78 of O'C&M.

We believe that Ó Duibhir is an acceptable variant on Mac Duibhir which is found under Mac Dyer on pg. 94 of Surnames of Ireland by MacLysaght.

Device:
her previous submission, Per bend sinister embattled purpure and Or, two butterflies volant respectant to chief counterchanged, wings elevated and addorsed, was returned for lack of documentation for the position of the butterflies. The current submission is a major revision removing that problem. No conflicts found.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Eadwynn Iren Draca Rundeniga (New name change)

Name:

the submitters current name, Eadwynne of Runedun, was registered by Laurel in November 1982.

Eadwynn is dated to 995 under this spelling on pg. 194 of Searle. This is a feminine form.

Iren is defined as equivalent to isen, which means iron, both on pg. 207 in a Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary by J.R. Clark Hall.

Draca is defined as dragon, sea-monster on pg. 87 of the Hall dictionary.

The various compound words with isen- (iron) as a prefix suggests that Iren Draca should be a compound word as well. We cite isenbend (iron fetter), isenbyrne (iron corslet) and isengeloma (iron instrument, weapon), isenhelm (iron helmet),isenscofi (iron shovel) on the same page as iren and isen above.

The submitter contends that Rundeniga is the correct Anglo-Saxon form of his old name Runedun, but the latter was a made-up name. While Runedun is already registered, the grandfather clause does not apply to translations.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION

Gautier L'Angelier of Addershold (Resub Caid/name and device)

Argent, on a bend sable between two adders nowed heads erect gules, a cubit arm argent.

Name:

His first submission Gautier L'Angelier of Addershold was returned at the August 1995 meeting for style. The submitter has provided further documentation for L'Angelier as a surname rather than merely a baptismal name.

Gautier- French, Dauzat Noms et Prenoms page 283 under Gauthereau.

L'Angelier- As best we can document this is French for "the spear" or "the lance". As such it seems a reasonable occupational surname for one who carries a spear. Our uncertainty is because our French dictionary does not list "Angelier". However, applying our bad French to Dauzat (which shows the name Angelier on page 9) produces the above explanation.

of Addershold- Name was approved by Laurel in June of '91. And the submitter has included a letter of permission to conflict from the person Addershold is registered to.

Device:
The charge is blazoned as an adder for canting reason, and is not considered different from a serpent. His first submission, Per chevron argent and sable a sword fesswise sable entwined of an adder gules and in base a tower argent, was returned for conflict. This is a complete redesign.

NAME AND DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Seamus Maitiu an Rauid (Resub Caid/Device)

Per pale gules and sable, a wolfs' head erased contourney and a chief embattled argent.

Name:
On the Caid August LoI.

DEVICE RESUB APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Steinsee, Canton of (Dreiburgen)

Sigtryggr Inn Tryggvi (Resub Laurel/ Name)

Name:

His original submission, Truvor Hordtha-Knut was returned by Laurel for lack of documentation, and style.

Sigtryggr -the Faithful, found in "Viking Raiders of the North", Tome Life Books "Vikings" by Magnes Magnusson Geirr Bassi, page 14.

Inn Tryggvi- True, Honest. Geirr Bassi page 29.

NAME RESUB APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Canton of Steinsee (New badge)

(Fieldless) a flame proper within and conjoined to an annulet argent.

Name:
registered by Laurel, March 1988
Badge:
no conflicts found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Gyldenholt, Barony of

Arthur the Traveller (resub Caid/name)

Name:

the submitter previously submitted in Caid Andrew of Elm Cottage, though we are unable to locate this file.

Arthur is one of the 'usual' 16th Century spellings of Artur(us), according to the Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names under Arthur on pp. 32-33.

Traveller is cited to 1375 on pg. 3388 of the OED (first edition), meaning 'a person who is travelling or going from place to place.'

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Czarny Ludwiga Yagellio o Smocza Jama (resub Caid/name change)

Name:

the submitter's current name, Celeste Cathan, was registered by Laurel in February 1988. She wishes to retain her old name as an alternate persona.

Czarny is found on page 707 of the book Herby Rycerztwa Polskiego, printed in 1584(!), as (we think) the name of one Czarny Niemierza.

Ludwiga itself we can't document. However, we can document the similar name Ludwika (Herby p. 765); our knowledge of Polish doesntt tell us whether the k/g swap is permissible., but it doesntt seem unreasonable.

Of Yagellio, the submitter says only 'last name.' We cannot document it even that well.

Smocza Jama is said by the submitter to mean 'Dragon's Cave.' She included a photocopy of a map of the city of Centrum (apparently modern, which we assume is in Poland; the map doesn't say, nor was it identified), which shows on it a place or feature named 'Smocza Jama'.

Overall, we lack the resources to document this name as acceptable or unacceptable. We throw ourselves upon the mercy of the College of Arms, and request the assistance of those who know Polish better than we do (no great feat).

NAME CHANGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

David de la Croupe (New/Name change)

Name:
His name, David Gerland de la Croupe was registered by Laurel December 1988. He is dropping Gerland from his registered name.

NAME CHANGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Gavin Mac Dhomnuill (New badge)

(Fieldless) a thistle issuing from a castle Or.

Name:
registered by Laurel, June 1991
Badge:
no conflicts found.

BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

John ap Gwyndaf of Holdingford for House Gwyndaf (New household name and badge)

(Fieldless) a Celtic cross within and conjoined in base to a mascle argent.

Name:
Gwyndaf is the name of a Celtic saint, found under this spelling on pg. 54 of Welsh Names for Children.
Badge:
no conflicts found.

NAME AND BADGE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Loinseach Mac an Leistair (New Device)

Argent, between two scarpes, between two cats sajent respectant forepaw raised, three lozenges in bend sinister sable.

Name:
On the Caid June LoI
Device:
(Submitter does not want this blazoned as a bend sinister argent fimbriated gules.)

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Nordwache, Barony of

Fransesc Miguel Joaquin Inacio (Resub Caid/Device)

Sable, a bull passant gardant contourney, and on a chief argent a crescent gules between the horns of a bull's masacre sable.

Name:
Registered by Laurel

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Sanachie of Riesling (resub Caid/device)

Or, a crescent, on a chief triangular sable a massacre Or.

Name:
her previous submission Hagen Seanaeiche was returned by Laurel for grammar in December 1994. She apparently has not submitted any forms for the new name.
Device:
no conflicts found, but we are returning it due to lack of name.

DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME.


Southron Gaard, Barony of

Ulf of Sjaelland New device

Quarterly gules and argent.

Name:
His name was registered by Laurel June 1992.
Device:
Whether or not the device is registered, The submitter wishes to release his badge, Quarterly gules and sable, a sword inverted surmounted by a wolf passant to sinister regardant argent. We have included a letter from the submitter for the release.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Western Seas, Barony of

Antonia de Gallicia New name and device

Per fess indented gules and sable, in base a catts paw print, on a bordure Or two cords entwined gules and sable.

Name:

Antonia is the name of a 4th Century saint as cited on pp. 128-9 of Nombres Propios Espa oles.

Gallicia is the ancient spelling of the old Spanish kingdom of Galicia (modernly a territory in Spain) as cited on pg. 656 of CLG.

Device:

as drawn, either the fess is a bit high or that the paw print is too small for the sable area below the fess. We recommend that both the fess be drawn lower (so that it cannot be confused with a chief) and that the paw print be drawn larger.

We feel that as drawn the cords would be considered interlacing which is not allowed due to complexity (LoAR, Dec. 1986, pg. 15 citing Karina of the Far West, July 1979), and returning it for this reason.

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Aonghus Donnchaid Mac Leòid of Sea March (New name and device)

Azure, a bend sinister embattled-counterembattled between a tower and a dog's head couped contourney grasping in its jaws a ball argent.

Name:

Aonghus is found Aongus on pp. 170-1 of Woulfe.Angus is a given name dated to c. 1150 under this spelling on pp. 23-4 of Black.

Donnchaid is the genitive form of Donncad, which is found under the latter spelling on pg. 181 of Woulfe. Black also notes Donnchaid as the genitive form of Duncan and has various forms dated as far back as 717 (on pg. 228 under Duncan).

Mac Leòid is found under MacLeid on pg. 423 of Woulfe. Black also dates M'Leoid to 1338 (on pg. 538 under MacLeod).

Sea March is a shire in Trimaris (registered by Laurel, February 1983).

Device:

the submitter added three red windows in the tower which we have ignored in the blazon.

As drawn, the bend is too narrow and the crenellations are too small. There may be a problem with the ball in that it cannot be recognized as such (but we are not returning it for this reason).

NAME APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL
DEVICE RETURNED FOR REDRAW

Catriona Stewart of the Glens (resub Caid/device)

Azure, a cross fleury between four roses within a bordure argent.

Name:
registered by Laurel in April 1994
Device:
her previous submission of June 1995 of Azure, a cross patounce between four roses within a bordure argent was returned by the Caidan College of Heralds because we were uncertain from the drawing what type of cross she intended. The current drawing corrects this. No conflicts found.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Durinmar Inn Smithi (resub Caid/name and device)

Argent, a bear's head caboshed, and on a chief gules an anvil between a two mallets heads to center argent.

Name:

His previous submission Durinmar Inn Smitter was returned in June 1995 by the Caidan College of Heralds for lack of forms.

The submitter originally had Smiör, but he appeared to have misread Geirr Bassi so we have corrected the ö for the ð which we have translated to th. We have also corrected the case and form of Smithi from his original Smithr because of the use of the Inn., which according to Geirr Bassi always is followed by the weak form of the advective. The smubittor may wish to consider plain Smithr, in preference to inn Smithi.

Durinmar is asserted by the submittor to be constructed from the dwarf's name "Durin" (found among other places in the Poetic Edda) and the deutrotheme "-mar", taken from the Complete Anachronist. He quotes Fay's The Vikings as justifying the use of a god's name as a protheme, and further quotes Geirr Bassi as justifying the random combination of protheme and deutrotheme.

There are two problems with this argument. ON did not apparently allow the combination of randomly chosen prothemes with randomly chosen deutrothemes; only some combinations are attested. The submittor does not provide examples of this combination, nor we able to find any. Secondly, while some non-human names (notably Thor-) do appear as prothemes, we were unable to find examples of a dwarf's name used in this way, much less this particular dwarf's name. Without documentation justifying the combination of the particular protheme and deutrotheme, and justification of the particular pro-theme, we are forced to return this name for further documentation.

Inn is the Old Norse article "the" found on pg. 19 of Geirr Bassi.

Smithi is Old Norse for "smith" found on pg. 28 of Geirr Bassi.

Device:
his previous identical submission was returned in June 1995 by the Caidan College of Heralds for lack of name. No conflicts were found, but we are returning due to lack of name

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME

James Griffin (Resub Caid/Device)

Per bend sinister sable and gules, a griffin displayed Or maintaining a sword gules,hilted sable, a bordure Or.

Name:
His name was registered by Laurel July 1995.
Device:
His previous submission: Per bend sinister sable and fules, a griffin statnat erect affronty Or maintaining on its breast a sword gules, hafted sable was returned at the June 1995 meeting for conflict with Per chevron gules and vert, a griffin sefant erect displayed affronty coward Or. The addition of the bordure removes the conflict.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL

Kalila Janan Liliasdotter (Resub Caid/name and device)

Azure, a bend sinister rayonne between a tyger salient to sinister and a cross hummety Or.

Name:
The submittor's name was returned by Caid at the June 1995 meeting for lack of documentation. This submission although adding more documentation still does not show any examples of mixed arabic and norse names used in period. The college understands the limited cultural contact between the Vikings and the Arabs, what we need to see is solid documented evidence of mixed Norse and Arabic names.
Device:
We are returning the device for lack of name, and for style. The submitter should re-draw the rayonny bolder in her re-submission. Sadly, we did not have time to check for conflicts for this device, due to the sheer volume of submissions at this meeting.

NAME RETURNED FOR LACK OF DOCUMENTATION
DEVICE RETURNED FOR LACK OF NAME AND FOR STYLE

Kinokuniya Hayato (Resub Caid/Device)

Sable, an annulet between three gouttes in pall inverted all within an octagon voided argent.

Name:
Was registered by Laurel March 1995.

DEVICE APPROVED AND SENT TO LAUREL


Postmeeting

The meeting ended at about 7:15 pm, which was followed by a short meeting involving the senior staff of the College. The minutes were taken by Christopher, Manus, Ghislaine, and other tag team members, and edited by Catrin (who really should have delegated it to Dolphin but was to stubborn to do so......)


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